Hood Questions, Something to discuss while we wait

so, have those been confirmed then?
and if so: linky, plz....

Erikson stated at a few of his UK signings earlier in the year that he will be writing two more trilogies after the mian series - one tying up a few loose ends, and the other based around the Tistes, and Rake.

that's pretty damn awesome.... so, I guess we WILL learn more about all those jade things after all

Since you mention it. Yes it is

The Hounds were from a different realm too.

but, as we now know, the Hounds weren't really real... just an embodiment of elemental savagery of Shadow.

Then why did the Hounds, who are apparently not real, leave bodies - but Pearl, who was very much real, didn't. (Or did he, I fail at remembering)

I don't remember whether his body is mentioned at all myself.

to quote what you said earlier:

*cough* GotMism *cough*

correct me if im wrong, but in tBH in the jaghut underworld, paran and the trygalle find that carriage that got wrecked and he figures it was the hounds, recognizing the gouges and wounds and stuff. when they get to the statues, two are gone. now since the HoS and the deragoth are intrinsically linked somehow, the HoS entering straight into darkness would have been thrust into their 'dark' counterparts, no need for body reassembling.
this doesnt explain where their corporeal forms went though and i think it has something to do with the fact that they aren't real, as mentalist says, but only manifestations of elemental savagery. once people, (ST, Cot, Paran, Rake) believed they were dead, their bodies dissappeared without the power of belief that formed them.

what im saying is that the hounds are not a good reference for speculating on how and where a person will regenerate now that dragnipur is broken. the more powerful ones will, i expect, be able to will themselves a form, or possess one, maybe even their old one if they feel like it. as for the rest? well draggin a wagon for thousands of years would kind of make you tired of existing i think.

It's revealed in TtH that the black thing in the wagon is the essence of the warren of darkness. It is also revealed that the HoS were originally linked to the tiste edur, by the undead tiste soletaken. I figured that when the hounds jumped into the darkness, they were transformed into their dark counterparts - thus the release of the two deragoth that karsa kills, way before hedge frees the rest. So they probably are bad examples to use in this case because they weren't freed the same way everyone else is.

A little off the topic, but still to do with Hood - does anyone know the significance of Hood's missing fingers? At some point Hood lifts his hand and it's mentioned he is missing 2 or three of his fingers. It seem way too deliberately placed to just be random description - I think it's some sort of clue as to Hood's original identity. Or maybe it's just so we know in the next book who a mysterious new jaghut with 3 fingers really is.

Also, how did a Jaghut ascend to house death? It's mentioned after they meet gothos that the jaghut originally waged a war against death itself. I also think it says something that they barely pulled off some surprise victory. Do you think the reason they waged the war was because Hood ascended and became the ultimate jaghut tyrant? Or did Hood ascend at the end of the war in order to claim victory over death?

Personally I think it was the second option you have put forward. I think that the Jaghut waged war on death in order to put Hood on its throne and create the possibility of an afterlife for all mortal beings.

yeah, I do too. It wouldn't make sense that Hood's ascension started the war & he's still there even though they won.. Still wanna know bout Hoods fingers though - that's REALLY bugging me

Yeah i like the second theory as well because it lines up with Tulas Shorn's comment that the Jaghut 'plucked a victory from the jaws of defeat' or whatever he exactly said.

But i don't think they put Hood on the throne to create an afterlife: reasoning being: there must have been a god of death prior to Hood because to march out to war and to die in said war would require an enemy on the field of battle (how exactly does one fight 'death' in battle??). Also, the comment is made somewhere in that part of the book to the effect that the Jaghut had no choice because as one fell, he would rise up and 'immediately switch sides'. In other words, the enemy, death, was, at that time, able to use the slain jaghut to defend against the attacking jaghut. Meaning that the slain jaghut souls persisted in some realm wherein they were liable to direction by the enemy god of death. IE, they had an afterlife.

The Jaghut victory is probably what just occurred in Toll the Hounds (we've yet to see the implications of Hood's demise). But query: Hood having perished, a realm is open to be claimed, no? The realm does not cease because its master does.

We are told the Jaghut afterlife is one they deliberately deny(denial refuses power?) and allow their souls to self destruct instead.