I am glad I can finish woe with facing lot of exiting incidents and drama's. So finally i realized we cant expect honorable play in a war game.

So I like to share few of ACE drama's for you guys,


--- We start ACE with few guys Hiro,Matt,Carnage.Hitman,Kaldar,Ajax as a carnage's idea to play together. So by seeing we in same clan our close friends joins us including v1 clan BOSS. So we ended up forming 20 man clan so early with 12 GO winners.

--- By seeing ACE as the favorites for empire win most of the started to warring with ACE. but non of war able to beat ACE player but in inside of the clan there were huge misunderstanding and mismatch ideas. Even though Carnage managed to guide the clan well. Since Carnage famous as freelance player no one had any problem with his leedership.

--- As soon as Kaldar/Ger took leadership whole ACE started to implodes . the main reason behind it was ACE starts with half of ex-sith (kaldar/Ger haters). But ex-sith didnt try to go against Kaldar. But somehow rage left the clan and build a clan "CESS" and he started to recruit his friends one by one from ACE. the reason behind rage leaving was Kaldar/Ger not trusting him and not inviting back him. Also same time most of us didnt had permission to invite people to clan.

--- In same time clan started become a hell. there were tons of whinny clan msg's started from kaldar. but most of us ignored his msg's since none of us liked to follow his guidelines So it become even worse due to lack of team working.

--- Once all the BOSS players left us. we dropped from rank 1 to rank 4. but we still managed to fill 12 full members with 200 pop less than ACNE. After that BOSS left kaldar started to ask for GO help sending PM's while not fighting for clan win. half of the clan wanted to go for clan win so clan started to burn since kaldar/ger refused to listen us.

--- Then ravan,nosiin wanted to leave from clan which were our last hope for clan win. Both didnt like to kaldar's way. So I asked leadership from kaldar to settle everything. but he refused to give it to while ger said it is OK to give me leader. but he didnt give it. then ravan started to act madly destroying CB because kaldar try have him as a hostage. At that time I sent kaldar a PM by saying if you dont give me leadership i will call mutiny against you. Then He gave the leadership to Ger and ger booted ravan

--- Rest of the ACE still wanted to go for clan win by replacing KBM as a full but Ger boot Sam from clan so no one able to discuss about clan win. So only thing ACE can do is support his GO. Then ex-Sith wanted to leave from clan. So i declare mutiny against Ger by asking support for GO support for matt over kaldar.

--- kaldar realized he dont have support for his GO so he deleted and I won mutiny and ace ended up with 12 members clan.

--- So remaining people comitted to support Matt's GO. but he wasn't interest about it so we commited to support Ajax.

--- With time goes Ajax and Hiroshima left and joined ACNE without saying a word so ACE were destroyed completely.

--- So we decided to fight against ACNE during clan clock and we successfully involve to beat them. during the empire battle we sent a mule to ELs as well. and we act neutral against CONQ.

--- Once empire battles going on we saw sam having a good account build by him self alone so we asked him to go for GO. And he was managed to have 43 clock hours b4 the empire battle over. during the those 43 hours we didnt able to send him stuff directly we did everything through market.

--- Once empire battle over our only ally supported to mengaxing for GO and cost us 19 hours before he lose regs while he was online now CESS thinks Sam responsible to it

--- Once people started to gangbang ACE we realized we cant support Sam with 7 players. So we asked CESS help after mengaxing lost regs but they wanted to finish at rank 4 so we had to move over CESS to support sam. But Now sam booted afer his 67 hour ??? now he cant join ACE back. WTH

--- Now another 2 players fighting for GO. One is Ajax original ACE GO contender leaved due to lack of support. another is Dan from ELs it is the clan we support for empire win.


So what do guys say. I am a part of a hell of a age and I dont expect anything more

rats gone rat and snakes gone hiss

I do agree the early age has been hard on ACE, but I would like to clarify a few points on the recent saga.

Firstly, while you are right that we supported Mengxiang and it affected Sam for the 19 hours or so, you guys always had the option to terminate the alliance I guess. We did try to support Mengxiang, so that reg loss which came down was very hard as it totally destroyed any hopes he had to try for GO.

This information was revealed to us just a few hours ago ...

"From: Sam Dritt
Sent: 1 day(s) ago
CC:
Sam Dritt
Subject: Re: Slacker =P
Message: Good Dan *pats head* He's online now though. Was offline for hours though.

>>Dan the Great said...If only I was online! I WILL get regs off him before the day is over! :P

>>Sam Dritt said...Meng is offline.
Apparently being an ALLY has some kind of use..! "

with apparently follow ups to indicate he revealed Meng's online times - now what Meng tells me is ...

Mengxiang 16 m 45 s ago Del
I was not online that time..But I was just signed in and I found that I lost 58 regs already...

basically showing that Sam's revelation of online times had indeed come back to bite him and destroy our GO candidate. I know ELs will claim the credit for this one, but it disgusts me to realise it was a kind of an inside job.

Above all, we felt it was really dishonourable to make use of us being allies to leak information to enemies to get our primary GO contender killed. That being said, if he had mentioned it to me/us of his own accord, I would at least have seen it as a sincere effort to make up for it, turns out we had to learn it from the enemy. All in all, it was untenable to keep him and support him any longer.

While that is your opinion, mine is that while it is extremely difficult, we have to do our best. Honour typically begets honour, so only when you demonstrate honour can you expect it in return.

So Sam is the another version of Kalder ? :P

and Hitman. I will blame you for that a little . You should understand that why I dislike Ger and Kalder. I got reasons to dislike them and I hope now you realize 'why'.

One small incident is enough to know a person's character if you are good to understand human psychology B-)

It's just not Kaldar. He gets too serious, yes, but that doesn't mean all the others never become like him. I know I might have been like that once or twice. Same goes for you Scorpio. I know Shira despite all her cool turned mean once which was really out of her character. Even Bhaal himself looses it once in a while. I remember my real life buddy Hiro cussing me and calling me a cheater when I got sick and couldn't log into his account after taking it over. Those are only a few examples. I'm sure others can tell of plenty more similar incidents. It's just this game. It can really bring the worst out of the people.

*sit in the back eating popcorn*

I have to say, being in ELs has been good. No real drama to speak of :)

*gets all serious*

We've all lost our temper sometime, this game sucks you in too much and we forget it's just another "stupid" game :P

That said relying online times of an ally to get a selfish advantage ... that sucks Sam, had you broken your alliance you could have achievd the same and get CESS support afterwards. But backstabing is bad :P

And Dan you are backstaber too, you took advantage of Sam's info and were all silent about it while it was good for you but when Sam is about to win you release the info backstabing him, can't say it wasn't effective, but treacherous too.

IF: Backstabing isn't about being naughty to clan mates, but Dan was an ass to people outside just the same.

*joins deatangel in the pop corn corner*

it is not about loosing coolness carnage.

'One small incident ' doesn't mean any random incident.
If you give your food to your friend that doesn't count as that 'One small incident '.
but if you share your food with a friend when both of you were starving and the food was not even enough for only one then this is that ''One small incident ' what I meant to say

That's not a "small" incident then :P

apparently small but got lots of depth in it like a deep well :rolleyes:

Totally agree!!!!!

Bravo lothar!! It's one reason I hate els so much after all these Ages. They would kill your unborn child just so that they can get their ways. And SM, again I don't consider you an els. It's the main core of them that I feel this towards. They have no shred of honor.

For the record, regardless of what meng says about whether he was online, I was told he was online when I did the attack, so it made no difference, I decided I was going to do it anyway.

I was planning on trapping meng all day, and had to wait for people to come online, Sam offered information on his online status, and yeh if I could have I would have used it.

When Sam joined CESS I had a conversation with Hiro and stated my surprise at Sam joining CESS because of what had happened, as genuine surprise, and before long the information was passed on to meng. I never gave the information to ACNE with a malicious intent, but I don't feel bad about it now. He DID offer me the information, so if CESS were annoyed about it, just were justified in being annoyed.

Want to call me dishonest for using information sent in a message (actually I didn't use it, but I admit I would have if the timing was right) and then being honest when I was asked about it, then go for it, but I don't agree.

This whole stupid battle I've tried to be honest with everyone but you all keep coming at me trying to backstab each other or with general lies trying to manipulate me, whatever, call me a backstabber if you like...

Dan I dont see any wrong with you, It was Me and TR who waited to cancelling alliance with CESS . So, I believe Sam was frustrated and gave out offline times.

That's such a sweat way of puting it down. I'm tempted to apologize about what I just wrote, lol.

You never ever thought them knowing Sam had backstabed them would beneffit you?? I mean I doubt CESS is too croos about you backstabing SAM after all he had backstabed them, but don't play naive. And no two wrongs don't make it right, for starters becuase Meng's regs are still dead and CESS past funding to Sam is still in Sam's account, the only thing that changed is that you have a better chance to win after they knew than you did before... and CESS has none anymore.

Nice knowing you tried to be honest, but you should have tried harder. :rolleyes:

You know, perhaps you should at least have a grasp at what really happened before you run your mouth. That doesn't happen often however, so you're excused. :lol:

It was ME, in all my clarity of thought and insight and brilliance, that posted immediately that Sam had some nerve in joining CESS as soon as I spotted him since he was plotting the downfall of Mengxiang. (This does not change the fact that if you are trooped up without a shield eventually you will lose regulars regardless of you refreshing every 5 second. Forget to do it for 30 secs, and you've lost regulars)
And I also posted it was strage that CESS would take Sam, considering that Mengxiang and buddy asked US to attack Sam saying they couldn't do it because they were allied at the time, when he was starting to pad hours without being touched except by the Hunter the Great.
However, the other members did not agree to revealing this, and nothing came out of it.

Days later, the truth leaked out regardless, but not due to ELs as far as I'm aware, and certainly not due to Dan. Think it over a second before calling people a backstabber cause he certainly isn't, and if you want to call me one because I pointed out the obvious, be my guest, my shoulders are large enough to take on gamey accusations. :D

Who cares? It's all over with.

Yes, yes I apologize. Dan didn't chose not to tell CESS he was being fed online times by Sam and Dan didn't try to use that info in his advantage and yes oh yes, Dan made all posible efforts to avoid CESS finding out. Now I see it, I apologize :P

You know I don't really care that Sam was exposed but don't insult my inteligence depicting things in such a honeyed way. Dan had shady info and used it to his best advantage, not once but twice: that the first time it wasn't as usefull didn't means he didn't try to use it, the second time was a masterstoke. A great scheme just not honorable, it certaily wasnt' the bigest backstab of all time but it migth very well be the last ... well WoE is not over yet so who knows... Ajax, beware :P

Oh and Dan too, it works both ways.

Hunter for GO??

MUTT hasn't backstabed anyone, have they?? After all you know they will stab you right away anytime, lol.

*sit in the back eating cotton candy*

*deathie, want some? can i have some of your popcorn?* :lol:

See what I meant? Usually, it's someone from SITH or folks like Kaldar and myself who do the flaming. But now even the people who usually keep their tempers in check are dragged into it. It's all your fault Matt! :P

Lothar, would you be making all the same claims if we had been carefully tracking Meng's online times for the last while and decided to attack based of off that? Because we would've had the same info and given that he logged on during the attacks it wouldn't really have made a difference.

*notices that Asterix has cotton candy in here too and tackles him again and steals it*

mmmmmm nom nom. Good stuff..


Frankly I don't see why everyone is stressing and yelling about this.. CESS has gotten over it and moved on.. We are enjoying the popcorn and Cotton Candy that I stole from Asterix and watching the fireworks while having a fun and goofy time together.

but if you all want to sit here and complain about who did what, when or who shouldn't have kicked who.. go right ahead..

*skips off happily to go play with her CESS boys*

I've not lost my temper Carnage, I'm actually having fun and it is not like there is much fun left in the game for me :P

Dan could have said: "Yes, I did it and it worked :P" It isn't like Dan did the most outrageous thing that has been done, but DA trying to paint it as if Dan has done nothing others might find treacherous is insulting, we are not total fools. I supose Dan had a laugh when CESS took in Sam and all he had to do was sit back, relax and make sure everybody in CESS knew about it, it would sooner or later reach CESS and finnish Sam.

Calm down Lothar, this could have been avoided if you told you can read minds and know better than me, an insider, what happened!

I'll repeat it more slowly - if it depended on me, I would have told CESS immediately what Sam did, because I wouldn't have really minded joining the looooooooooong list of people who have been doing something reprehensible this age. I was actually called off, so as far as we are concerned it could have never come out, but you are naive if you think stuff like this wouldn't be discovered considering that this age's allegiances swift twice per day. You've also got a bit wrong who is the person who may actually benefit from Sam's fall from grace, but I trust you will be able to figure it out give or take a day. ;)

Nos, I'm not annoyed, but I feel I've done my best to remain fairly impartial in the middle of a lot of childish behaviour, and I would like to defend myself a bit. <_<

Lothar, I can't really give you any evidence of this, so you can believe it or not, I don't really care too much. I'll give you my version of the events and why I did each thing, you can decide for yourself.

- Meng sent me lots of messages saying he would help me with GO, most of my empire told me he was lying but I, wrongly, decided that it was worth giving him a chance because he'd be a useful ally.

- He was telling me I shouldn't take the clock and should just build instead while he held off Sam. Once he was on 3 hours, a lot of what he was saying made me not particularly trust him, so I decided to troop up and ask him to give me the clock so I could be sure. He didn't, so from that point I was trying to trap him.

- It took me 15 hours to get all the right people online at once to trap him, I had to stay trooped up to keep him ranked high, which meant I needed blockers, and my blockers were in different time zones which made it hard.

- During that time, Sam started trying telling me his online times. I don't really see this stage as me backstabbing. This is Sam backstabbing meng, I've not promised anything to anyone. Even if I wanted to tell to more honourable here what was I meant to do? "Hey meng, I'm trying to GO trap you because you're stupid and have to shield up, but Sam is telling me your online times, can you cancel the alliance with them please? Oh and while you're at it, stay trooped up, nothing is going on..."

- I trapped him at the first possible opportunity, which happened to be a time when he was online, it worked, we killed his regs, I was happy, Sam was happy, meng not so much, but he deserved it for trying to manipulate me into giving him free clock time in my opinion.

- I didn't think about it again for a while.

- Sam joined CESS. My assumption here was that Sam had previously fallen out with CESS but they invited him in because rage hates ELs, so got over his annoyance with Sam. I assumed that regardless of whether they knew about the online times it wasn't really that important.

- Hiroshima messaged me about it, and I said, with no malicious intent at all, that it was surprising after they had joined forces, especially after Sam had given me meng's online times.

- We also talked about it in clan chat, and I said we shouldn't tell them because to be honest I still didn't see him as the biggest threat, and that wasn't particularly how I wanted to play it.

- A day or so later I start getting a load of messages from ACNE asking me for the message log with Sam saying that they wanted meng to clog up their clan bank with lots of deposits.

- I was at this point, quite annoyed at waking up after 2 hours sleep to find 10 messages all from various people asking me to do underhanded things, I really couldn't be bothered with the political stuff that was going on around me, so I just washed my hands of it, sent the logs to dumbo and told sam that Meng was likely to know soon and that he should take action before he ends up with no cb deposits for the day.

- With how rage and meng didn't seem to get on anyway and how I had assumed that Sam joined just to destroy a mutual enemy, I didn't think the outcome would be what it was, I expected Rage to kick meng and keep helping Sam to ensure that I didn't win. Maybe that was a misguided notion, but I can promise you that my intention was to get out of it myself and let the people trying to play underhanded games play with each other and leave me out of it.

- I never said to Sam, "tell me when he's online and it'll stay between us". He took a risk on telling me because Meng was his enemy, and in the end it didn't pay off, I don't feel bad about that, I didn't break any promises, and I didn't try to use any malicious timing to play it to my advantage. The timing was all down to ACNE and when they asked for messages and told meng. Actually I was disappointed to see Sam leave, we'd held him off the clock for 2 hours and were basically draining him of gold, he was becoming very slow to troop back up indicating he was running low on gold. I thought him leaving ruined a genuine chance at an impressive come back rather than underhandedly taking him out of it.

Actually there is more to this story that will come out eventually, but I don't particularly think that Sam leaving worked in my favour at all.

Maybe it was wrong to try to wash my hands of it, but I don't think you can truly know how irritating it was until you've listened to it for 3 days in a row without much sleep in between, or without much sleep for the week before that either. You can ask anyone in ELs and they'll probably have noticed I've been getting increasingly annoyed with all the messages over the last few days. It wasn't like I washed my hands of it and let an innocent person lose, both parties were being underhanded, I just took myself out as a middleman so I didn't have to read about it any more.

That's my side, believe what you like.

*hugs Dan* There.. you vented it all out.. Feel better??

*gives him some of Asterix's cotton Candy*

My quick response is that we were at war, we expected no favours from you. With Sam, it was different, he was actually in an allied clan.

And for a whole variety of reasons we are having one of the best ages ever so lets not ruin that by unnecessary bickering.

*passes out Asterix's cotton candy*

Come on guys lets all have fun and forget about this whole mess..

Don't make me force everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya.

What exactly is dishonest or backstabbing about anything Dan did? No matter how you look at it, even with your cynical eyes, what he did was perfectly acceptable. I'm sorry you have sour grapes, but why not hold the people who screwed over their teammates and allies responsible for their actions and quit pointing the finger at a good, clean player?

because some people forget who really and truly is to blame and that person is.....




MATT!!!!!


his powers grow!! Watch out WOE!!! It took him 2 months being in ACE to get it to implode.. and he was in CESS for 2 days and then POW!!!


he's kinda scary in the strength of his powers..

It's true.

Matt's fault here!

Really not sure why people think Dan did anything wrong.


CESS and ACE's leaderships set up an impossible position by having an alliance where the two sides wanted different things. You simply can't have an alliance if half the alliance wants their candidate to win and the other half wants the other to win. These things often make little sense, but this age our empire diplomatic stances have been crazier than ever. At one point we were allied with both ACE and MUTT, both of whom were at war with each other, and both of whom were planning to field a different GO candidate from our own. Quite where there was a common goal on which to base an alliance with either of them, I'm not sure.

Not surprisingly, both Meng and Sam probably saw that as a problem. For a brief while, they were two of the top candidates for GO, but neither could attack the other due to the misplaced alliance. Sam, we now know, tried to harm his 'ally' by the only method still open to him - information to someone else to do the deed. Sure, that's sort of backstabbing an ally, but then since the alliance was clearly nonsensical to start with, it was a pretty low level of backstab. What Sam probably should have done before joining CESS was lay this open though so that CESS could choose to support him with this knowledge. Had he been open about that, it probably would have ended up with Sam still in CESS now. As it was, CESS leadership felt they were lied to, or at least being a bit used, so Sam was kicked out.

As for Dan - did he do any backstabbing on underhand stuff? No! He was told some information to use against an enemy, and he used it against an enemy. How can you backstab an enemy for goodness' sake? Sam did the backstabbing because he passed on info on Meng behind Meng's back. Dan was square in front of Meng from what I can tell, in a clan at war with Meng's. You can't stab someone in the back if you're standing in front of them waving a sword.


Currently I don't really care who wins GO - there are reasons for and against any of them for me, depending on what they are like personally, which empires they're in, and what they've already won before. At least this drama is entertaining, so although I have no idea how Dan's ended up in dock for this, I'll sit down and share the popcorn if there's any left.

Just to somewhat defend myself, my verson of events

I was asked by ACE to go for GO 36hours before i was eligable, at this time i was unsure if there was an EL's GO, i was sure ACNE would produce some sort of GO, and i wasn't sure if meng was really being supported.

Once i got the message from Dan after empire battles that he was going for GO i knew things had to change. I was in an empire with 7 people supporting me, i had 50% war on dan, 50% war on meng and 117% on an ACNE GO who was leaving it very late to arrive.

Once meng started blocking me from clock it become clear to me that he wasn't going to give in. The best war damage i could get on him if we declared war was 50%, and that'll be really hard to run him out of money with a 50% war. Aswell as 50% on meng i also only had 50% on Dan, and i didn't think i could run them both dry with attacks with only 600 turns.

The initial plan was to hope Dan could get his regs before he got 20hours, at 20 hours i was going to get the alliance canceled and just have to fight him dry on gold as best i could. So during those 20 hours i did my best at helping Dan get his regs, time he did take regs Meng was online so as it turned out my help didn't help the trap.

I knew the risk i was taking in speaking to Dan, but it was the only chanc. I knew this would come out but i was hoping it'd be too late by this point. As i told CESS i was not willing to waste 3 days just to let meng win or cost me the win when i was informed for 3 day prior to go they were no longer supporting him.

Once meng's account was ruined i asked CESS for their support, as i had already been expecting it because i was under the impression they weren't helping meng for days before GO started.

CESS offerd to take me in, this was ideal because it gave me more war damage against Dan and considering an ACNE GO still hasn't turn up so i swapped clans.

So yes, i initially planned to take Mengs regs, eventhough we had a green ally A. Despite the green ally A i considerd us as war, we were only not at war untill i could no longer afford him to get free hours on the clock.
CESS offerd to take me in, because dan was the only GO left the extra war damage and support was ideal so i took the offer.

It's been an age of drama from start to finish, and it's been a blast.
Thanks to everyone who made this age the most exciting, boring, annoying, frustrating age i've ever played.

A voice of reason!

A lot of people have a very hard time taking responsibility for their failures. Instead, they need to find a scape goat. Being a victim is much more desirable to some people than being a failure. What I see as CESS's biggest failure is their decision to trust Sam, knowing his history of backstabbing. I've been fooled by him before and I would NEVER turn my back on him.


Edit: I have just had an exchange with Sam I want to share

I am clarifying my stance.

Sam is the backstabber, not Dan.

Dan is not as honorable in this either, but he ain't no saint either.

Don't waste breath Rage, it is very hard to try and explain a gray position, people are too willing to read either black or white...

Funny thing is I am one of the few who has discussed this thread without using words like cynical. But yeah I am a sore loser ... erm what did I lose?? I just don't get that part yet :P

But I am indeed a big mouth and love to let the rest of you know how enlightened I am and how wrong you all are :lol: my fault here :P

Btw, thanks to Dan and Sam for puting forward their detailed versions of facts, at least shows that they care.

So basically someone sold someone out, regs died, tides turn. So what!

Boo F'ing Hoo



Hunter For GO!!

ALARIC FOR GO!!!!!

(So Sam, was it all worth it?)

I would say this is one of the worst ages ever. It used to be in this game you knew where you stood and who your friends were. This age pretty much everyone has backstabbed and been dishonest and i'm not even sure i have the energy to create an EOAA post because of the number of people I would have to mention.

If you look at what the people have done since leaving ACE and where they end up , you really have to question how many of them were EVER loyal to the people they played the age with.

Also, I have been blames for much of the issues that happened and it simply isn't true. The issue is, if you are in an empire whose stated goal is to win empire victory and beat Sith , and you give instruction to people who are mostly still loyal to Sith to do something against Sith ......... chances are you will have problems.

And I find it funny that even after all that Hitman blames me and Ger for Ravan and Sam being booted. Ravan hijacked the CB for 2 days because I didn't boot him and if Ger hadn't he would have continued. Sam wanted out once it became obvious the clan was imploding and had no chance for the win.

The only good that came out of any of it was CONQ got a good , solid victory ......... I have no issues with that. But everything else this age has left a sour taste in my mouth about most everyone in the game and I for one am glad the game is ending because the people in the game have completely corrupted any sense of fair play or sportsmanship.

And now the game letting Ajax walk to a victory just deepens my belief that this is one of the saddest, most hyppocritical ages ever , not one of the best .............

Of the options I would at least like to see Dan win if for no other reason than he actually tried to compete for GO before Sam got to 67 hours of clock time ....... and I believe the only reason he did that is he knew his empire was going to destroy Sam not through strategy , military might , or any game mechanics ........... but just through passing on the information they were given to CESS.

And they held onto that information for a long time ........... made Sam miss another night of sleep for NO REASON .........

you can all go to hell in my book ........... good riddance to the lot