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 Pirelli rule out replacing Bridgestone, Which tyre company will join up with F1?
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 07:39 AM
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Pirelli has ruled out bidding to become Formula One's tyre supplier when Bridgestone leave at the end of next season................."Pirelli's previous position on F1 hasn't changed," a spokeswoman told Reuters.

"Pirelli prefers to develop tyres for racing that will also be used on the road. Pirelli sponsors Superbike, World Rally Championship and GT2."


No bridgestone, no michelin, no pirelli, no goodyear so who is it going to be?


One of those cheap and nasty brands your local tyre place tries to sell to your mother (who knows nothing about tyres)

"because they are just like Michelins but cost half the price",

When in fact they are just like something on an Indian taxi in India, squeal at every opportunity, wear out in months and grip like slicks in snow storm roflmao.gif

Jokes aside, I am beginning to wonder who wants the responsibility of the R & D for a one series tyre that has to be cutting edge and has no use away from the sport. With a world wide audience who will demonize you if you are not up to the task. think.gif
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 07:54 AM
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Why not Michelin?
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 07:56 AM
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Looks like F1 might still be racing on Bridgestones in 2011 - on their GP2 tyres! The major companies are moving away from F1 and it is struggling to get a supplier.

Could Bridgestone perhaps continue to supply F1 through their sister company Firestone?
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 09:09 AM
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Odd that.We have very strict laws here regarding tyres.
From the 1st November until the 1st April you have to run a winter grade tyre
These can be studded or specified tread pattern.
Unstudded tyres can be run all year round,and if you wish from 1st April until the 1st November you can fit any tread pattern you like. For a couple of winters I fitted Goodyear studded tyres,but unless you were always on snow or ice,constant running on tarmac they wore very quickly,threw studs,and made a hell of a row.

I have had these tryres now,for three years.I have covered over 70000km on them,inboth summeer and OUR winter conditions without problem.
They do not squeal,perform well under braking in both wet and dry conditions.Hang on like a limpet on corners,and I am extremely statisfied with them.
Added to which,they were less than half the cost of the equilivant well known brand names, such as Goodyear,Michelin, or any of the well known brands.

For racing in my Golf I used Cooper tyres. Excellent performance,and much cheaper than the well known names. You may well know Cooper as Avon tyres.

http://www.tyretest.com/pkw_winterreifen/s...pf_1/index.html
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE (Alien_SAP_Fiend @ Nov 6 2009, 07:54 AM)
Why not Michelin?

The reason Michelin did not apply to be made sole tyre supplier in 2007 was because they were not interested in participating in F1 unless there was competition with other tyre suppliers.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (sportsman @ Nov 6 2009, 09:09 AM)
For racing in my Golf I used Cooper tyres. Excellent performance,and much cheaper than the well known names. You may well know Cooper as Avon tyres.

http://www.tyretest.com/pkw_winterreifen/s...pf_1/index.html

I never knew Cooper and Avon were the same company. Didn't they supply tyres to the A1GP series a few years ago, also also many F3 championships? If so, then they would be a good candidate to supply F1. They did supply F1 for a brief period in the 1980's

The full list of F1 tyre suppliers and the years in which they supplied F1 are as follows:

Goodyear (1959 - 1998)
Bridgestone (1976 - 1977, 1997 - 2010)
Michelin (1977 - 1984, 2001 - 2006)
Dunlop (1950 - 1970, 1976 - 1977)
Firestone (1950 - 1975)
Pirelli (1950 - 1958, 1981 - 1986, 1989 - 1991)
Continental (1954 - 1958)
Engelbert (1950 - 1958)
Avon (1954 - 1958, 1981 - 1982)

Incidentially, Avon are the only tyre supplier in F1 history never to win a grand prix or championship despite all their success in the lower formulae
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 09:54 AM
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http://www.avonracing.com/about_us_page.html

Goodyear and Dunlop are also the same company

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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (sportsman @ Nov 6 2009, 03:09 AM)

I have had these tryres now,for three years.I have covered over 70000km on them,inboth summeer and OUR winter conditions without problem.
They do not squeal,perform well under braking in both wet and dry conditions.Hang on like a limpet on corners,and I am extremely statisfied with them.
Added to which,they were less than half the cost of the equilivant well known brand names, such as Goodyear,Michelin, or any of the well known brands.

For racing in my Golf I used Cooper tyres. Excellent performance,and much cheaper than the well known names. You may well know Cooper as Avon tyres.


I run Avons on most of my vintage motorbikes and they are great for the purpose. I've run Coopers on my street cars from time to time and they were good street tires, even raced some on their comp tires.

Unfortunately, when Cooper took over Avon they did away with the Avon Calendar!!!
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 03:32 PM
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The last issue is who will be the next F1 tire supplier? Not Bridgestone, not Michelin, not Goodyear, not Pirrelli. Who? I think Khumo or Hankook, the Korean manufacturers.

There will be a Korean race next year (probably/maybe), and these guys do not have any moulds that fit the old F1 sizes. They will start anew and produce a tire from scratch. And they will negotiate their preferred sizes as part of the deal. And, they will demand a small space on each car for their logo. A logo that will replace the advert no longer possible on the sidewalls of the low profile tires.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 03:38 PM
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No racing series in the world uses a tire that has such a large sidewall relative to its width as F1. It is an antiquated tire construction.


Second point yes. First point, not sure. I'm pretty sure that NHRA rear tyres come into that category, however, admittedly, sub 5 seconds in a straight line is rather different to dozens of laps in a row....
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 05:23 PM
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You forgot off road racing and monster trucks! doh.gif
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 05:59 PM
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Kumho are not complete novices in producing racing tyres

http://www.kumhotyre.co.uk/Motorsports/KH_brochure01.html
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Posted: Nov 7 2009, 01:23 AM
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Bridgestone – Gone

Michelin – not interested in a one tire series with dumbed down specs and no competition. They want to develop the ultimate tire, and they want to use racing to further their understanding.

Goodyear – currently suffering from the global economic conditions per their own reports. And, they are sole supplier to Nascar.

Pirelli – leaving WRC but not until the end of 2010. They will not be able to develop and implement an F1 tire program parallel to their WRC contract.

Dunlop - They are Goodyear, see above.

Avon – Too small

Continental – German outfit that has never been a big time racing constructor

Hankook –

•Japan Super GT
Sponsored Team: Hankook Porsche Team ? GT300
•German Endurance Championship Nuerburgring (VLN) and 24 Hour Race Sponsored Team: Hankook-H&R Spezialfedern-Team Alzen Motorsport
•American Le Mans Series (ALMS)
Sponsored Team: Primetime Race Group Team
•China Circuit Championship (CCC)
Sponsored Team: Hankook Tire Lufang Racing Team (2000cc)
•German Rallye Championship (DRM)
Sponsored Team: Wallenwein Rallyesport
•China Rally Championship (CRC)
Sponsored Team: Wanyu Rally Team (2007 Series Champion)
•Formula D (Drift)
Sponsored Team: Hankook JIC Motorsports Team
•IMSA Lites (Official Tire)
•Japanese Formula 3 Series (Official Tire)
•Hankook DDGT Championship (Title Sponsor & Official Tire)
•CJ Super Race (Korea - Official Tire Supplier)
•Hankook R1 (Korea - Title Sponsor & Official Tire)
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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 09:07 AM
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No racing series in the world uses a tire that has such a large sidewall relative to its width as F1. It is an antiquated tire construction.


What other shape would work for F1 and keep those cars on the road cornering at those speeds? think.gif
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Posted: Nov 8 2009, 09:54 AM
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Round and black devil.gif

Bigger wheel diameter with lower profile tyres,which would result in the same overall diameter including the tyre, would greatly improve cornering grip as the tyre deflection from the sidewalls would be greatly reduced.
Put simply,the contact patch would remain flatter.
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