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Title: Red Hood and the Outlaws #3
Description: November 2011


dl316bh - September 11, 2011 05:12 PM (GMT)
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Written by SCOTT LOBDELL; Art and cover by KENNETH ROCAFORT and BLOND

Red Hood, Arsenal and Starfire enter the Chamber of All to discover what the Untitled wanted – but they'll need to leave their most cherished memories as collateral! And when you're a reincarnated sidekick who lets your madon get the better of you, a former addict turned soldier of fortune, and an intergalactic princess who never quite recovered from a childhood spent as a prisoner of war...? Well, there aren't a lot of cherished memories to choose from! All this as the trio draws ever closer to dealing with a threat that's already killed the ancient caste of assassins who taught Jason Todd everything he knows about the art of killing!

DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.99 US

On Sale November 16, 2011

Kookoo-nut - November 17, 2011 04:32 PM (GMT)
this issue left me with a bitter taste in the mouth. alot of writers don't really know how to handle Kory, but hell, this is just too far.
and i've had it! i'm gonna...i'm gonna... WRITE A LETTER! (i don't even find an icon to express my fury) :8C: (close enough! urg.)

BTW, Scott, don't you dare to touch Raven! you've already ruined one of my favorite characters!

Plissken - November 17, 2011 05:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kookoo-nut @ Nov 17 2011, 11:32 AM)
this issue left me with a bitter taste in the mouth. alot of writers don't really know how to handle Kory, but hell, this is just too far.
and i've had it! i'm gonna...i'm gonna... WRITE A LETTER! (i don't even find an icon to express my fury) :8C: (close enough! urg.)

BTW, Scott, don't you dare to touch Raven! you've already ruined one of my favorite characters!

Ouch.

How bad is bad?

Lizard-Man - November 17, 2011 08:16 PM (GMT)
I'm not sure, all I've seen of the issue is the last page with Jason Todd's best memory of his past life playinf out and bupkiss after that.

I don't pick up RH & The Outlaws anyway. But I am intrigued to know what exactly happened to get Kook to give up her initial optimisim.

dl316bh - November 17, 2011 08:22 PM (GMT)
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Feeling a bit bored, S’aru contemplates going through the three memories he has with him. Feeling that it’s not against the rules to look into the memories of an alien, he decides to check out Kori’s most cherished memory. What he comes to find, is a memory of Kori, as a child, enslaved. A guard approaches her, and shortly there after, Kori absolutely annihilates the dude, and offers the same to anyone else who dare gets near her. S’aru is a bit surprised at the “cherished” quality of this memory, wondering just how screwed up the rest of the team is.


This is the only thing I can think of.

Lizard-Man - November 17, 2011 08:56 PM (GMT)
Okay that is pretty bad, I'd imagine Kory's most cherished memory would be her first flight or something happier. Talk about out of character.

dl316bh - November 17, 2011 10:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lizard-Man @ Nov 17 2011, 03:56 PM)
Okay that is pretty bad, I'd imagine Kory's most cherished memory would be her first flight or something happier. Talk about out of character.

Depends on how you look at it. She was a slave and stood up for herself, never letting go of her pride and strength. There are ways such a thing could be a cherished memory and without a doubt different people have different memories that they cherish for different reasons others may not necessarily understand.

I don't recall; did Koris past as a slave ever inform her Pre-Flashpoint self? When you think on it, she was an amazingly loving, tolerant woman for someone who was sold into slavery by her own people.



The Batman and Jason images that closed the book, for those interested:

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3439577.html

GhettoMac - November 17, 2011 10:22 PM (GMT)
Sooooooooo, her most cherished memory is burning people alive......how the hell is this kinda character change gonna bring in new readers???

Granted, they were her captures and she freed herself, but I think there could've been another way or another memory to help prove her as a "strong and proud" character.

Although, I do give my congrats to the artist on this.

dl316bh - November 17, 2011 11:38 PM (GMT)
Don't ask me man, I only work here.

What I do know, however, is that Bruce and Jason father/son moment there was heartwarming.

Which makes it all the sadder that Jason left it behind. D:

Kookoo-nut - November 18, 2011 06:22 AM (GMT)
it's not just the memory that pissed me off. it's the whole "i am a goddamn princess and you should treat me like one" attitude. what the hell? the old Kory didn't have a problem burning people alive or kill them in many different ways, but she was still a sweetheart. in this book she's COLD and DISTANT- and that's anything i've ever expected her to be.

and Bats\Jason moment was sure sweet :) it's just a slap in the face he didn't want to keep it.

dl316bh - November 18, 2011 06:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kookoo-nut @ Nov 18 2011, 01:22 AM)
and Bats\Jason moment was sure sweet :) it's just a slap in the face he didn't want to keep it.

That's the messed up nature of Bruce and Jasons relationship. We saw the bad times, but we always got glimpses of the two bonding and it's clear there was a real father/son love there. Bruce at the VERY least cared about him like his own kid - as he does all his wards - and the proof is in the pudding. Dude was seriously messed up for a long time over Jasons death.

The split is over the fact that even though Joker killed Jason, Bruce didn't kill him in revenge. Jason took it personally when he revived. Very heart wrenching; the "Under the Hood" story was well worth bringing Jason back.

This is just me spitballing, but I'm guessing Jason left that memory behind to make it easier or something of the sort. So much anger towards Batman conflicting with memories like that? Can't be easy.

Truth is, it's just one memory; guaranteed he has more of Bruce trying to be a good parental figure.

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it's not just the memory that pissed me off. it's the whole "i am a goddamn princess and you should treat me like one" attitude. what the hell? the old Kory didn't have a problem burning people alive or kill them in many different ways, but she was still a sweetheart. in this book she's COLD and DISTANT- and that's anything i've ever expected her to be.

Yeah, it sounds like Kory will be a sticking point for me in regards to this book.

Make no mistake, I'm going to check it out. I keep tabs on any Bat book that sounds interesting. Despite what a dick he can be, I like Jason and I've always loved moments where Bruce tries to act like a good father. It's pretty nice; he does a fairly okay job considering his parents died when he was very young and he had little to go on as far as parenting.

I may like it. I may not. Either way I'll review it when I do read it.

Kookoo-nut - November 18, 2011 07:14 AM (GMT)
i seriously don't know if i wanna keep picking this up. in my country the comic culture is not very developed, and to buy a comic book you have to go to a special store, and that cost like x5 more than it costs in America. so i normally buy 2 issues. recommendations for any other series?

people at DC forum think there's something between Jason and Starfire. i think i missed it, did anyone else noticed? i mean, sure they slept together, but then... she slept with Roy.

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Truth is, it's just one memory; guaranteed he has more of Bruce trying to be a good parental figure.


but it was his best memory! how much better could the others be?

Plissken - November 18, 2011 02:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kookoo-nut @ Nov 18 2011, 02:14 AM)
but it was his best memory! how much better could the others be?

I think that's key here, particularly with Starfire. This is about their MOST CHERISHED memories. The phrase has a meaning, mainly they are memories that define a person as who they are, the memories that say something about how they perceive the world.

With Tamaranians, they were always depicted as embracing their emotions, but always moreso of emotions that were positive, as that gave them strength.

They never dwelled or held grudges. This is where a little bit of naivety could come into play--they'd embrace a former enemy (say Blackfire) if they felt they had sought to change their ways, and then they would immediately treat them like a close friend again. Oh, Starfire would kick your ass you crossed her or others the wrong way, but she'd also cry afterwards from the betrayal, or happily embrace you if you were sorry. That's sort of the point with Tameranians, they come off as bi-polar sometimes because they wear whatever emotion they feel on their sleeves and can change direction like the wind.

So you would think it were the memories of their family and friends that would be most cherished, that would be that one memory she would never want to lose, and that one memory that would give her strength.




I would also like to highlight the narrative significance of this story arc and the memory plot point.

This is the first time we're seeing these characters after a major change in the universe.

More importantly, the changes have essentially set most characters back to zero, so this is almost literally the first time we're meeting Kori, Roy, and Jason. This story arc is meant to establish who they are; and similar to the way Judd Winnick had the Titans each reveal a secret about themselves in that really convoluted sequence, these cherished memories are saying something about how the characters are going to be written, what motivates them, and where they're potentially going to go in the future.

This isn't just some random story arc in the series, its our introduction to them.

So this isn't just looking at any old memory they have, its being written intentionally as something more than that by the writer himself. He's saying something about how he's going to depict these characters.




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