Snape...., One of JKR's biggest mysteries...

[Fayora]

...you know...this is all morphins fault...if that jerk off hadn't attacked the stupid muggle then that nim-rod of a sister of his wouldn't have gotten to meet that muggle man and create the most evil guy in the world.

stupid dirty snake petter...


poor severus...even with DD he was a puppet. maybe he was treated like more a man...but he was still used none the less. he had to give all he had to fufill DD's request...

i think he can kick harry's ass though so i'm really not worried about him when him and harry do finally meet. he'll be able to hold harry off and explain everything. either that or hermoine will have figured everything out by then...i hope..

its odd that no one in the order has realized that shes still alive...snape could have crippled harry emotionally by killing her and then killing DD. it really would have been a huge blow to harry.

yet..he did not. nor did he kill flitwick.

hehe.


and poor tom...no body loved him...everyone left him.... their all out with him having fun...

except for when he attacks people in caves...but i fall off topic.

stupid dirty snake petter....with his stupid dumb self....::grummbles::

[SteffieSnape]

Yeah, stupid dirty snake petter is right! GRRRR!

I agree with you Fayora. Snape could have killed Hermione and Luna and Flitwick and Harry if he wanted to. If he really is on the bad side and he knew he was going to kill DD anyways, then why not kill some others along the way, for fun you know? But no, he didn't do that.

He stunned FLitwick and told Hermy and Luna that he fainted or something, knowing they'd stay there to help. And why would he do that? Becuase he knew Hermy and Luna were gaurding him more than likely and he told them he fainted so they would be out of harms way. It kept them from following him back upstairs. So he did them a favor.

Wow, it's kinda amazing to think that he would do that considering he knew what was going on. I must be really dumb or something, but I still believe that Snape actually cares, ok well maybe looks after his students. I just can't believe he is as bad as he was made to be in HBP. He could have killed Harry's butt if he wanted to, but again he didn't. Sigh, I really hope he gets to tell his story in the next book... he deserves for the truth to come out.... he's been used as a toy for so long now. No wonder he's bitter, sheesh.

Also, I'm not worried about Harry harming him too bad when they next meet, because Snape can control Harry by just thinking it in his head, hahaha. Snape is really powerful, so yeah, he prolly doesn't need to worry about that. Harry is too bold anyways. Snape would know Harry was sneaking up on him way before Harry could even think about what he wanted to do. Woo for Snape! hehehehe!

Oh dear, I really hope he doesn't die but it seems he really might. Even if he does convince Harry that he had to kill DD and everything else he had done, and that he's really trying to help him... I don't know how the rest of the world will see Snape after the war is over.

You know, I've just had a crazy thought!!!! HAHAHAHA! Lemme write it before I forget! Wooooooooo!

As I mentioned before, I think Snape is really just on his own side. It's obvious really. I mean he's playing two sides, and he has a much greater chance for death than most people prolly. Anyways... I was just thinking about something. It seems that all these years where Harry has been saved in one way or another by Snape that it proved Snape wasn't a bad guy. Well we still don't know for sure, and that's not really important right now.

But I was thinking, we know it was Snape who over heard the prophecy, and he is the one that told Voldemort only PART of the prophecy. Snape knows the entirety of it, right? Anyways, I think the reason Snape was so adament about Harry learning Occlumency lessons in OotP and even at the end of HBP is because if Voldemort ever heard the entire prophecy he would know that Snape lied to him and Snape would be toast and jam! EEK!

Hmmm... remember how mad Snape was when Harry kept going further in his dream? He was figuring out what it meant and it was leading Voldemort ever closer to hearing the entire prophecy, meaning Snape would be soooooo dead! Voldemort would know Snape is a traitor. Bleh. Even now, Snape yelled at Harry in the end of HBP that he needs to close his mind and blah blah blah. Not only for Harry's sake, but for his own life as well.

Anyways, it was just a thought. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that were true. Who knows though. I hope we don't have to wait too long til book 7. The suspense is growing everyday. I'm kind of scared to read it too though because nto only is it the end of the series, but I'm scared to find out the truth behind everything. AH!

I hope Hermione will figure it out soon though. I have no doubts that she will. She figured out the thing with Snape's mom and stuff, it shouldn't be too hard for her to realize that Harry's story didn't add up at all. We'll see though.

Toodles!

[thelibrarian]

decent point, both of u, if morphin hadn't done what he'd done then yes, voldy might not have been born. but i really do feel bad for voldy's mom. it's not like she wanted her son to become the most evil villian the magical world has ever seen. merope just wanted somebody to love her, cause her father and brother sure didn't...

and snape didn't hear the whole prophecy, he only heard a little bit of it, otherwise, he would have told voldemort the whole truth, cause snape would have figured out that it meant either neville or harry, and he probably would not have cared if voldy killed neville. and since he hated james, he would have loved to see his only son get murdered, and he probably knew that if voldy decided to go after harry that he would end up killing james too, which would have made snape the happiest man on earth...

poor voldy... i think i'll call myself voldy's lover... i think bellatrix might throw a fit though... lol

[JaF]

I think that perhaps Snape heard the entire prophecy, but only told Voldemort the first half.
Professor Trelawny doesn't mention Snape getting kicked out when she tells Harry that Snape is the eavesdropper.
I think that DD surely would only trust Snape if he did something major to prove his loyalty, despite what other characters say.
Therefore, Snape was proabably already considering joing the Order above the Death Eaters, so when he heard the prophecy, he went to Voldemort, but only told him the part of the prophecy that led to Voldemort's downfall. DD would have realised his motives from this action, and allowed him to become a spy from the Order. In this we also see one of Snapes's possible weaknesses- by telling Voldemort only half the prophecy, and expecting him to be defeated, he also neglected the second half of the prophecy.
I've been saying this for a while, but I don't think that it ever seemed so likely. What do you guys make of it?

[SteffieSnape]

That's exactly what I thought Jaf. I think and I am more than sure that Snape heard the entire prophecy. Why do I think that? Because there are a lot of reasons actually.

Firstly, I think DD doesn't tell Harry the truth all the time. His reason for trusting Snape being that Snape was highly upset over James and Lily's death is a load of crap. Not only is that a load of crap but it's an obvious lie. Snape was in DDs service before that happened. In OotP Snape mentions he had been teaching for 14 years, actually it would have been 15 years that year. If that is true that means Snape was teaching for DD just before Voldemort attacked James and Lily and tried to kill Harry. So HA! DD just made up an excuse to cover the real truth to Harry. It doesn't make sense, why would DD lie?

Also, as you mentioned Jaf, Trelwaney never mentioned what part Snape came in on, and obviously she wouldn't know if she was giving a prophecy because she never even knows that she gives them. So she's not the best source of information either. It's so funny and convenient how Harry ignored everything she said until she mentioned one little thing with Snape. As soon as anyone mentions that name Harry is off with his wild theories again.

Anyways, to a more interesting question. Why would Snape be eavesdropping on Trelawney and DD? How in the world would Snape know she was going to give a prophecy? He wouldn't! So that doesn't make sense either. See, there are so many holes here and I can't believe Harry didn't notice. But I forgot, he's determined to hate Snape so it doesn't matter what anyone says, he's going to be prejudiced against him no matter what.

Of course, it's understanding somewhat though. In a way, if it's true Snape told Voldemort the prophecy, then it is partly his fault Harry's parents are dead. But then again, he deliberately kept the information about the boy having powers from Voldemort. Hmmmm.... something seems really fishy about this.

Another thing, DD told Harry in OotP that the eavesdropper was thrown out of the bar, but then in HBP it says otherwise. DD either forgot he told Harry a different story or he did it purposely. I'm starting to think there may have been a lot of things DD mislead Harry about. Notice how whenever Harry brought up the subject of Snape DD would try to make him forget about it asap. heh!

And yeah, I feel bad for Voldies mom. She was in a horrible family and if it wasn't for them none of this would have ever happened. It's interesting to see how it all really started. But I don't feel bad for Voldie. He made his choice and now he's too far gone to ever come back, or have anyone pity him. The only way he can be pitied is because of his mother, but that's really got nothing to do with him as a person personally. He's just sick and twisted and power driven.

And he's stupid too because he brought on his downfall himself. He's the one that went after Harry in order to stop him, but by doing that fulfilled the Prophecy. And what lead him to this? Snape. Snape being the one who told Voldie the first half, knowing he would attack no matter what. Hmmm... it makes me wonder... after Voldie attacked did he realize that something was missing from what Snape told him? I bet he was pretty ticked off with Snape for that, hence wanting to hear the entire prophecy for himself. I bet Snape is not a particular favorite amongst Voldie, muahahahahaha! Therefore... he really is on his own side.

I mean he has a dark lord who will want his head now if he learns of the prophecy, and the one man who trusted him more than anyone, giving him a chance for a decent life, DD. So Snape really has no choice now does he? He's gonna have to step it up. I bet Voldemort will not be too happy that Snape stepped in and killed DD either, wanting Draco to do it knowing it might kill him in payment for Lucius' stupid mistake. MAN!! Voldemort is just whack!

Well.... just more of my theories. I could be really wrong, but ah well. Toodles!

[thelibrarian]

firstly, dd never told harry what his reason was for trusting snape, so ya, what harry said about snape being sorry probably is a load of horseradishes... but i also get the feeling that snape didn't hear any of the profecy at all, that he really just burst in the room when trelawany was done with her vision, and that another death eater told him, perhaps wormtail, except that wormtail might be just a little too thick.

i know i'm forgetting something i wanted to say, but i have to get off now, dinner smells good...

[SteffieSnape]

Yeah, but the thing is... why would Snape be there in the first place? Hwo would he or anyone else know that Trelawney was going to give a prophecy? They wouldn't. So Snape had to be there for another reason. I still think he heard the whole thing. It's just weird though because nothing adds up no matter what. Do you know what I mean?

Anyways.... no one would know that someone was giving a prophecy. They aren't scheduled, and even the seer doesn't know about them. And another thing that leads me to believe Snape heard the etire prophecy is because Trelawney never remembers giving prophecies, and she mentions to Harry that in the middle of her interview or sometime at the end Snape burst in and interupted.

Now, think about it.... if Snape came in the middle of the prophecy then how would she know he was there at that time? And DD heard the enitre prophecy, meaning there were no interuptions. So Snape had to come in after when Trelawney was back to her normal self. It wouldn't have worked if he came in before because DD said Snape heard at least half of it. HA! That doesn't make sense! He had to of heard the whole thing!

So back to my question.... why was Snape there in the first place? No one would know she's giving a prophecy! Blah! This makes my head go in circles and it makes me dizzy.... hehehehe.

Ok, well that's just my thoughts on the matter anyways. Toodles!

[thelibrarian]

well, steffie,, i certainly see your point, but, maybe, just maybe, snape really isn't the one who overheard it. i mean, remember what trelawany said, "i think he hired me because he saw how much better i was compared to snape, because he burst in and then dumbledore suddenly decided to hire me". well, he must have burst in just as trelawany began to make her prediction, because all she remembers is snape coming in and then dumbledore hiring her...

[SteffieSnape]

But Snape couldn't have come in during it because Trelawney wouldn't know, she doesn't know she's giving them. And DD heard the entire prophecy, so Snape either came in before or after the prophecy was made.

You also have a point. Maybe it wasn't Snape who heard the prophecy, who knows. But why would DD tell Harry it was Snape if it wasn't, knowing it would make Harry hate Snape more? Hmmm... that seems curious to me.

Ah well.... we'll just have to wait and see I spose. Grrrr.... I hate waiting! This sux! Blah! Ah well... Toodles!

[thelibrarian]

yeah... except that dd never said that snape oveheard it, in fact, i don't recall him telling harry anything about the topic after harry heard what trelawany said... dd just told harry that he said he could come to find the horcrux and that shut harry up real fast... or i may be wrong, it's been a while since i read the book anyhow...

[SteffieSnape]

HAHA, me too! I haven't read the book since I got it, ah well. Anyways, in HBP DD tells Harry that was Snape's biggest regret and blah blah. It was inOotP that DD tells Harry about the spy who over heard the prophecy. Sorry for the confusion, that's what I meant.

Anyways, as I was saying before... the two stories from OotP and HBP regarding the prophecy don't exactly add up, so either Jo messed up or DD was fibbing to Harry, muahahahaha. Some how I get the feeling that DD was not telling the whole truth, in order to shut Harry up as oyu said. He always changes the subject quicky when it comes to Snape, so who knows!

Well yeah, anything could be possible really. We'll just have to see... blah! Toodles!

[thelibrarian]

i comepletely believe you of course, but to really see what ur talking about, i have to reread the books...

[SteffieSnape]

HAHAHA! Yeah, sometimes it gets a little irritating when you can't remember small details and from which book some thing happened. I do that a lot. sometimes I think some thing happened in one book when it was actually another. Bleh. Or sometimes I get things confuzzled all together, ahahaha. Whoops!

But yeah, I'm certain it was in OotP DD mentions the over hearing of the prophecy thing, and it's in HBP DD tells Harry about the whole Snape/trelawney thing fiasco whatever it was. Meh... it's a ll just a mass confusion until book seven comes out unfortunately. Ah well... Toodles for now!

[L Enchanted]

So I have been reading theories by both Evil Snape and Good Snape and Self Serving Snape supporters. Well nothing has made more sense to me than DIATSSISE (it's not a cult I swear ). But a lot of people HATE this theory. I'm not one to take credit for hourse of digging through books for details though and I'm feeling lazy so here's a link to the mugglenet forum's thread: http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=97481

I would LOVE for this to be the case.