abortion, take of the kid gloves

There's the topic I want to here what you guys think. I'll interject my thoughts as this topic progreses.

note: Don't just say I do support it/ I don't. Please post a well thought out statement.

First and foremost - SOMEBODY IS ON STOWAWAY!!! YAY!! REJOICE!!!

Secondly - I dont agree with it in any way. I'm helping at our local pregnancy center and went through training - and to know HOW abortion is done and HOW developed a baby is at the time of the abortion is simply grotesque. Not only that, but some people argue that "religious people" don't like it because of their beliefs - well, turns out that medical scholars write in their journals about the dangerous side-effects of abortion too. So its not just your average "religious nut" tooting the horn.

As I learned about what is done to have an abortion - thinking about a doctor doing that to me just makes me want to puke. Its so discusting how it operates. It makes me cringe.

I don't believe abortion is good in any situation - unless its actually and factually a danger. Apparently some doctors say "Get an abortion, you might get hurt" - when really there is not a huge possibility of danger and they just say that. And the possibility that there is a danger is normally very small. So only if there is an actual very HIGH danger.

What about rape? Well, what about God? And would you kill a child because of the father's crime? Maybe there is a reason this happened to the woman. That child has a purpose. Even if she can't handle the child, adoption is another alternative.

So yeah. I'm definitely loaded with info and may in fact explode at any given second. All of a sudden, I'm getting passionate about this subject.

Yeah I agree with what you say. But also abortion is straight forward murder. If we as pro-lifers would (excuse the expression) stop pussy footing around and starting calling it like it is we might see a few more people on the right side. This is not to say that a women who has an abortion is a murderer but there is no doubt in my mind that these so called "doctors" that work at abortion clinics are fully aware that they are killing a baby and wethere you accept that its murder or not it still is.

I mean isn't a doctor supposed to help prolong life not end it. It also may suprise you all that only 3% of graduating medical students say the Hippocratic oath or the moderen Declaration of Geneva . This is more than likely because of abortion and Euthanasia.
Follow this link to read the Declaration of Geneva:

wikipedia

if the link dosn't work just look it up on wikipedia.

Exactly.

This is what the pregnancy center is trying to do. We are trying to persuade the people who come in - to help them make good, educated decisions and not just a random "Oh, I'll just do this and it will be better."

Apparently, information is misgiven sometimes - they'll tell you all the "positives", and minimize the dangers. Kind of like a stereotypical car salesman....? And a person might not realize it until its too late. Its really sad, but that's one of the things we want to prevent. And then a problem in the woman might be over-emphasized when she is pregnant, and a doctor will suggest getting an abortion. Its horrible!! I know this doesnt count for all doctors and all problems, but its out there.

Where did you find the info about "3% say the oath"? If that really is true - and even if there is a higher percent than that - that is really bad.

Though I can't remember its name only one unversity in America still requires its graduates to recite the oath and that number comes out to 3% of all medical graduates. This information was given to me in a hand out in school and it was kinda out dated so the numbers could be squed but it is true the the vast, vast, very vast majority of medical schools no longer recite the oath.

Yeah, I could definitely see that as a fact. Thats horrible.

Hmmmm...... I was kinda hoping some prochoicers would join the debate. This is going to be pointless if we sit here and agree with each other.

In case you haven't noticed....Stowaway has been pretty dead for a while. I tried inviting my friends to come back, but it hasn't worked very well.

I'm more liberal than most, but even I'm against killing an unborn child (unless of course, the mother's life is at risk, and it's still early).

Ok I haven't been on in a long time but here is my opinion on this topic. I believe it is the mothers right to abort if ( and I stress if) she needs to abort due to health reasons and as long as the child is not to far developed. But other than that I believe that the child should be given birth to, and if the mother does not wish to take responsiblity for the child, put it up for adoption.

You have a valid piont but unfortunatley only about one half of abortions is related to health issues the other half percent is rape and the other 99% is realted to money or convinience Im not positive on the exact percnetage that just what I heard in speach recently so don't quote me on it. But you can be damn sure it falls out close to that.

What I'm saying is while yes thats a good piont. It just causes a justifacation for all abprtion. If you get what i'm saying.

I am perfectly all right if a person wishes to abort if it is because of rape, health, or in instances were they are suffering from destitution. Personally, I don't agree with the idea because, although I am for abortion, I would never want a partner who would willingly abort. I think that if it is in the power of the parent, they should at least attempt to give birth to the child. Hey, here is a grand idea put the child up for adoption. It's better than losing a life. But look if the abortion is in legal parameters, specified by a physician that the child is not passed a certain stage of development, then by all means allow it because it is the right of the parent to do so. I don't want to come across like I condone this form of practice...believe me I don't, but it is a given right of the parent to decide what may be. It is for them to live with their consciences, leading ultimately to their own decision of what is right or wrong.

From my education at the pregnancy centers, yes, very very VERY few abortions are due to health reasons. And there is also a small amount from rape. I still think it would be REALLY hard for a raped woman to not get an abortion, but then I think about it, and you know, it is a child, and God does have a purpose for him/her. And adoption is a choice for that too.

I just don't think it is right....murdering a full-grown man or a toddler is murder, and is illegal - but abortion is legal, and involves "disposing" of a child. They are both CHOICES.

P.S. THERE ARE PEOPLE ON QUIZILLA!!!

Deciding that something is right or that something is wrong, doesn't change what it is. If I for example shot and killed some one for no reason or a bad reason it would still be murder even if I said " I don't want it to be murder or wrong therefore its not.

I don't think that abortion is murder. A foetus is a zygote, a cell. It's no worse than killing cancer cells. ...To a point, of course. I'm referring to legal abortions performed before 12 weeks.

I think a woman should be allowed to get an abortion if she needs to. I don't agree with some women who use abortion as a form of birth control. That's just morally errant.

Clearly, I'm pro choice anyway.