I need a few rule clarifiations

Bench Can your bench payers be rotated in to your starting roster throughout the week or is it that once you set your roster for the week your starters must remain the same all week?

IR How do you move someone to the IR and what is the advantage of doing so?

Thanks for the help!

we do daily lineup changes..

so.. if player A is playing wednesday put him at F.. and then if player B is playing Thursday and player A isnt, simply put B into F and A onto teh bench. Sorry that wasnt clarified before to you.

in yahoo, when a player is injured and on the IR, there will be a IR by their name. to put them onto the IR simply click their blue square to the left of their name, and then drag them to the IR that will appear once you do this.

Another way to do it is this, below your goalies there will be a thing that says "Roster Change Type".. if you click it over to classic, its easier to switch your rosters around. then simply click on teh drop down boxes when updating your roster and you can put players onto the IR that way.

The point of placing players onto the IR is to free up a roster spot for a healthy player that you can call up from your AHL team. This, along with making daily lineup changes, can increase the man games you can get in a current week and give you more a chance to win the scoring categories!!

ok cool, thanks!

No problem. If you ever have any questions don't hesitate to ask for clarification!

On a side note, I hope you are doing alright healthwise.

Thanks man I appreciate it. My health still isn't that great still but definitly better than earlier this summer.

well glad to hear you're getting better!! Now just gotta kick whatever is keeping you down

Just for clarification, if I move a player to IR and call up a player to replace his roster spot, that counts as a roster move correct?

Yes. Any promotions or demotions count as moves.

If you send a player to the nhl with a salary of 1.76 million or more, does he also need to clear waivers or is it only when you send him down?

Also, how long does the waiver period last (24 hours?)

Only when being sent down. Wavier period is 48hrs

Thanks!

I think we need to tweak some rules in the off-season with n/a players being at the nhl level and maybe even long term injured players being in the roster when they can easily be sent down for replacements since they're non-waiver eligible.

If we have a rule for LTIR where players can't stay there once they're healthy (I think the rules show 48 hours?) then we need to do the same with the above.

Agreed 100%!

It's frustrating for teams battling for that last playoff spot that some of the teams with similar records essentially have bye weeks when others are playing very tough teams. Completely skews the integrity of the league IMO...

I have the intention of making adjustments already for the offseason. I've had many lengthy discussions with gm's over these particular situations.

Sorry, I'm getting old. We may have already had these discussions... Just backing up Stars point!

Sounds good! :)

This seems to be a slow year in hockey fantasy in other leagues too. Montrealers are disinterested/depressed since it's a long shot for them to make the playoffs. lol

I think we should possibly think about expanding the amount of playoff teams from 6 teams to 8 teams. I think this would do a few things:
-Keep more teams interested all season.
-More trade action, as teams still think they are in the race, therefore make moves to try to improve.
-Would keep the top end talent of the league spread out a little more, as the lower ranked teams wouldn't always be selling their stars to the higher ranked teams so they could "build for the future".

Less then half of the league makes the playoffs, and to me that doesn't make sense. Anyway, just a suggestion that most here probably won't agree with.

PS. I am not just saying this because I am one of those "fringe" playoff teams. I generally have always though this way.

Of course, this is just a friendly suggestion. I could care less if it happens or not.

Figured id chime in here since Im one of the lower seeded teams that are giving other teams byes..


Once it gets to playoff time, everyone always seem to have an issue with this. Yes, people are getting "byes" when they play me or pitt or col now, but its not unfair like people are suggesting. The same team that is playing me now, is facing the same lineup that teams were facing 5 weeks ago. Thats as fair as it can get.
Its just that we are closer to playoffs, so people view these weeks as being more important then earlier in the year. But really, its the same thing.
Its like PHI complaining that TBL (just using these 2 teams as examples) just scored 12pts off me in week 25 but he scored the same 12 pts off me back in week 18. Isn't it the same 12pts?

I dont know. I never had as much of a problem with PITT like others here had. I had a problem with him not being here, so the activity and trading and all that suffered. But, didnt think it was a problem if he never set his lineup, bc he never set his lineup the whole season. So it was fair to everone. Only problem woulda been if he didnt set it half the season, then started to towards the end. THEN, teams were facing two completely different teams and that wouldnt be fair.

I'm fine with whatever changes come about in the offseason. I do think there has to be some common sense that takes over though. My team is oviously rebuilding. And yes, I have NA's in my lineup. But, its not bc im lazy, or not active, or not a part of this league. I just have a ton of prospects, and none of my minor league guys are in the nhl right now. For the direction of my team though, It wouldnt make sense to drop prospects, just to put in some 3rd and 4th line players just so I dont have NAs. A soon as I make a trade, I go out and claim a guy making some salary so I make the salary floor as the rules state. (which is why i have like 10 Dmen on my team lol). But, Im not going to drop a guy like Omark so I can pick up a guy like Adam Burrish, just so I have no NA's. That would be counter-productive and not benefit anyone.

just my 2cents on the subject.
cheers

Now that I have the proper time to voice my opinion on this, I will.

First I would like to address the Penguins team situation. I took on the responsibility to lock his team and subsequental removal of his managerial status due to his inactivity. It is in the rules that you must be an active member of the boards as well as setting lineups in Yahoo. As everyone who is in all 3 leagues together (SSHL, HCHL, and PSHL) Pens only shows actively about 3-4 weeks total every year and half of that is in the offseason. If you look through his history, he will only make deals around those times. One of those times is generally within 3 weeks of the deadline. I could not take the chance that he neglects his roster all year and then shows up, makes deals, and has a better squad than the former 20 weeks of the year. At the time I locked his team in this league, he went in HCHL and finally activated 3 healthy players that were on his IR and put 3 injured players onto the IR. At that point, the next team playing him is instantly at a disadvantage in comparion to the previous teams. I refused to let that possibility happen in this league. The precident was set by not replacing Avs team and purely locking his team.

On a personal note, that type of manager is a cancer on leagues and needs to be removed as quickly as possible. His team in HCHL is no better example that he isnt actually following any game plan and is merely an inactive GM. His team is currently in 3rd last (12th spot). From an outside view, you'd think that he is a rebuilding team and just going through the motions until the draft. And I could buy that if it werent for the fact he has Martin Brodeur on his team (I will get into other players afterwards). No team but a team that is going for the championship has any business owning Brodeur. NONE. I do not like to pick apart how people run their teams publically, but this is a prime example of just not giving 2 shits about their team or league. This team also has Quick, Bryz, Malkin, Green, Carter, Lupul, Hartnell, Stastny, among others. I give you that a bunch of these guys have had off years, however give me a team with Malkin, Quick, Lupul, and Hartnell with their years, and I will show you a playoff team. But again, just me and my opinion on him as a manager.

As for you Blackhawks, I completely agree with you about the not being forced into having to drop prospects for random NHL player just to have 24 active players. HOWEVER, this will likely become a rule in this league that you have 24 active players. It wont be a snap all-of-a-sudden thing. It will likely wont have to be in place for next season some time. I personally dont think its too much to ask to get everyone to have a completely active roster

The main changes I am planning on putting forth for a league vote will include a rule that will make it so if you have a player on IR and he becomes healthy, you will have a certain timeframe (guessing 48 or 72 hours) to remove him and put him in the active part of your roster. This one gets abused due to salary restrictions and I think if teams are forced more into salary cap quandries, then that will increase trade activity. The NA player thing is something I would also like to address but is a sensitive matter I agree. But most of these we can discuss in the offseason (just like the 6 to 8 playoff team suggestion I read)

To add another point in regards Hawks, I would completely back you in what you said about why you are doing what you're doing with your roster. I would never accuse you of being an inactive or lazy GM. I would say you are likely on this leagues forums the most and if not that top 3 easily. You are a credit to the term "active manager"

Don't want to be a jerk but I was wondering what we are doing about teams leaving injured and NA players on their rosters. When I was on Yahoo this morning I noticed that many teams have very few moves for the season. With the number of injuries that have been occurring I was amazed by how few moves some teams had made and started looking through rosters. I found most of these teams had players on their active rosters that had been injured for a long time or even players that are in the minors, in a couple of cases there were players that hadn't even played in the NHL this season on rosters. Can we do something about this? In my opinion it messes up the league, especially in a shortened season like this where we aren't playing every team during the season. It also isn't fair to the teams that are sticking by the rules and placing injured players on waivers because their IR slots are already full.

I will comment on this before I have a pm in my inbox bc I know Im one of the teams this is directed towards....


I purposely left Harding in my lineup even though he was on IR bc when he was put on IR, it was around the time that Fasth was playing lights out. I thought it was a lot worse if I were to put him in and take Harding out bc then the teams that faced me with Harding in had a lot easier week then the teams now that will play me without him in. I thought it was the most fair. This is where I disagree with the Jets. The fairest thing possible would be for each team playing me plays against the exact same lineup. As it stands now I can easily take Harding out and put in both Fasth and Markstrom and then the teams playing me going forth really have a harder week.

That was basically my rationale for not touching my team since around the 2nd week of the season. I could use every move allowed and I still would be the worst team in the league so it didnt really matter. And for those thinking well its bc youre tanking, its not that either as I dont even own my 1st rd pick next year. So that thinking goes right out the window.

If it were up to me, I would have loved to play my young guys (oel, B. smith, galy etc) but I had to get to the cap floor so I made my team even worse by replacing those guys with uselessness like komisarek, jovanovski, ohlund etc.

Im just stating my opinion and reason why I did this. I think anyone whose in other leagues with me will tell you im pretty active. I believe I lead the other leagues in moves made so it wasnt out of inactivity or not caring about the team etc that I havent made them here.
But, this isnt up to me. So I will do whatever TBL and PHI decide. I will gladly put in fasth and markstrom and take out Harding. But, if a team in the final weeks only gets 6pts off of me and misses the playoffs by 1pt they cant complain that the team who beat them out for the final playoff spot played me in week 2 with only one goalie and got 12 pts off me.

Just my 2 cents.
cheers

INJURED RESERVE

There are 3 spots on your roster for players that are IR on yahoo. Only players that are IR as per yahoo are eligible. If you have a player in an IR spot and he becomes healthy, you may continue to keep him in that spot if you choose to. However, yahoo doesnt allow any other roster changes during this time. Your choice!

Not anywhere in there or in the rules I read does it say that if a 4th, 5th or 6th player become injured, he must be sent through waivers. I get a N/A player.. but injured doesn't make sense.

So example.. B. Richards, M. Richards, Karlsson, Pavelski and Doughty are injured.. 3 go on ir, one on ltir.. and what.. one is lost and claimed because he's injured? Doesn't make any sense.

To the iR situation. When this league was formed I was under the impression that yahoo only had 3 IR spots. Either that was incorrect or they have changes it to having around 5 or more. Not sure. It was one thing that I planned on changing for the next season was upping the amount of injure reserved spots available.

I agree with this.

I am playing Hawks this week and if he suddenly swapped out half his roster for healthy bodies I would be awfully choked about it... I'm one of the bubble teams and this would be very unfair to me as the teams he's played earlier would have had far easier match-up's.

Actually, I wasn't focused on you Hawks. I know you are one of the most active GMs. There are a lot of teams doing this and I didn't even look at all the rosters. I don't believe this is an active/inactive GM issue, I think it is mostly GMs saving their moves if they are in the playoff hunt or ignoring their rosters b/c they aren't in the playoff hunt (a little different than actively tanking but similar result). While I appreciate your effort to be fair Hawks, I think it's a pretty unique point of view. I don't agree with it though it might be I just don't understand it. Tell me if I'm wrong but I don't see the difference between that and this scenario: a team has a star injured early in the season, puts him on IR because it's early and he still thinks he has a shot at the playoffs, by the time the star is healthy the team has fallen out of the playoff race. Should he now not bring the star off IR because teams he faced earlier in the season did not have to play that star and it wouldn't be fair to the teams he plays at the end of the season? To me, that's absurd. You can go around in circles forever trying to be 'fair' to each team you play. Far simpler to just expect all teams to play the best lineup they have available.

In this league and the other two I am in (PSHL and HCHL) I assumed I was expected to always play the best lineup I had available. If I'm wrong, and it appears maybe I am, then I guess I will have an easier time managing my lineups than I thought. I will say that I think if we don't have Best Lineup Available policy we will always be open to suspicions of tanking.

Btw of the teams that I saw that had IR players on the active roster, I don't think any of them had full IR slots, i.e. they all could have been placed on IR, their GM just hadn't bothered.

Teams like myself don't have the cap space to make such a move. Plus, why would I put someone on IR and call up a player and risk losing him to waivers? With that said, I am in playoff contention regardless so I guess you can't say a team like myself is tanking. (won 3 of my last 4 weeks)

I don't understand, how would you have trouble with cap space if you are putting an injured player on IR? That usually gives you a cap break b/c the replacement you call up usually makes less money. I also don't really understand your waiver risk comment since again, most guys you call up would make less than the waiver limit. And even if they are waiver eligible, they can't be all that valuable to you sitting on the farm.

Sorry, I didnt mean you were focused on me specifically. I just knew that I was one of the teams that were doing this so I decided to comment.

I agree with you that maybe all of this is a bit ambiguous and we can go around in circles here. I think with your example it would be up to the direction that GM now wants to take with his team. If he lost Crosby lets say and is now a lottery team I dont think it would be wrong of him to leave that player on the IR the entire time.
If you look at BOS in HCH (i think its him anyway i could be wrong) he was one of the better teams in the league and then got hit with a number of injuries including Spezza and Karlsson. If he felt he was no longer a playoff team I dont think its wrong for him to now act like a basement dweller ie: trade for future, make less moves etc

I think my biggest thing is that I dont really see a problem with tanking. I know this isnt a popular opinion. I just dont though. If a team is rebuilding I think the most counter productive thing they can do is trade their picks/youth for more help now (ie to get to the cap floor lets say) or make a ton of moves just to try to get to 10th place instead of 14th.
I equate it to the NHL. I know we have a few EDM fans here. Did any of these fans in the past 3 years actually want their team to win a game once it was obvious they were going to be a lottery team? I'm sure every fan hoped they lost just to have a better chance at that 1st overall. Why wouldnt the same logic apply here for your fantasy team?

And this is me saying it....a guy who is in last place and doesnt have a 1st rd pick in the next TWO drafts. So, its not as if im losing on purpose to try and land a top prospect. In my case, I just knew no matter how many moves I made id still have no chance of doing anything so it didnt really matter.

Im not saying you lose on purpose by putting everyone on your bench or anything like that. You still have to field some sort of team and you should still be an active member of the league. But, if they want to not make any moves or bench crosby and play rupp, he should be able to do that. A Gm still should have some control of his own team.


Ive already talked to TBL about this but I think a good idea starting next year would be to lower the cap floor. A guy in another league of ours suggested that if we have a cap limit of 20mil above the NHLs our cap floor should be 20m below it. I really like that idea. Im not complaining that there is a cap floor here, every league im in has one, I just think that would be a smart decision for all the leagues. It lets the rebuilding teams play their young guys without having to make as many counter-productive moves. I know for me in here, I would be able to play guys like galy, grigs, oel, markstrom, b. smith, coyle etc instead of useless high paid Dmen so id be able to field a better team. Which, going back to the Jets point, would make the league a lot happier.

cheers

My player on IR only makes 900 thousand. If I was to put him on IR and call up a NHL player, I still wouldn't be able to fit under the cap, plus risk losing him to waivers. Doesn't make sense to do that.

I understand what you are saying, Hawks. I definitely will have to disagree. If the real-life Oilers did as we see teams do here in our league, the majority of the fans would be booing them out of the rink every night. More hardcore fans like us might see the benefit of losing seasons but most fans don't and real-life NHL teams that want to tank risk significant revenue losses if they do (not so much in Edmonton of course but even Edmonton wasn't selling out every night in their mediocre mid-90s years). I like realism so I don't want it to be easy for our fantasy teams to tank. I agree that it's challenging to be in that situation (I am in the same situation in HCHL, struggling to stay above the cap) but I think that's part of what makes it fun. I don't seem to be getting much support here so I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and I will adjust my strategies.


Rangers, I was talking generally what happens, not your specific situation.

Im one of the guilty teams with guys on IR and nor swapping them out. EJ went down for me but I couldnt afford to call up another D-man for salary reasons im right up against the cap. Also I was away for a few days so couldnt swap anything out. there are too many guys getting hurt this year with the shortened season also so its alot of teams in same boat. I do apologize but in all actuality the only person i hurt was myself as im one of the teams in a dog fight for a playoff birth. so dont want you to think Calgary was doing anything intentional LOL