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 Konkret Test Post, Konkret Plays Around
KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 17 2006, 12:38 PM


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Some dice should reroll in White Wolf? I never saw anything like that! :) Is this some specific feature for your particular game? I'm a little bit concerned about putting in non standard things because the roller will become more confusing for average users. When they hit 'white wolf roll' they want to get their botches and successes like they expect, you know.

Sorry for not noticing your post earlier but like I mentioned, I have a lot of work right now. Please use the Konkret Forum if you want me to notice things earlier. :)
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Orgaloth
Posted: Mar 17 2006, 10:06 PM


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No problems. Yeah there are times when the dice are re-rolled. Primarially it's the called 10 again rule, and when you roll a 10 you get to reroll that die. 9 Again also exists and more rarely 8 again. I guess it's just easier in a Table Top setting to pick up on this, then anywhere else. There's no major problem. Just thought I'd ask.


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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 18 2006, 02:05 AM


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Hmm okay that's interesting. I've never seen anything like that in Vampire at least. Under what circumstances do these rerolls come about? If its a common thing, I'll see what I can do when/if I get more free time in the future again. :)
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Posted: Mar 18 2006, 05:38 AM


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Actually the 10 Again rule has been a staple of the White Wolf system since they first published. They carried it over to the revamped system.

On page 125 of the blue core rule book it mentions 10 Again. This happens anytime you roll a 10. It's a little like the wild die, where if you continute rolling 10s you get to keep rolling it, but it's for any and all 10s you rolled. 9 Again is less common, but some powers and circumstances grant it. The 8 Again will hardly come up.


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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 18 2006, 08:24 PM


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Wow. I completely missed that rule when I was playing somehow.

Okay so lets get this thing fixed up then. Here're some pretend rolls and how I understand they should turn out, from your explanation:

Initial Roll vs target 8 is,
10 4 5 9 (2 successes)

After reroll, 10 4 5 9 10 (3 successes)
After reroll again, 10 4 5 9 10 4 (3 successes)

And we stop there.

How about,

10 4 5 9 (2 successes)
10 4 5 9 1 (1 successes)

?

By the way, I haven't been keeping up with WoD very much but I understand that they changed the dice system in the new edition? I heard that you now roll against a fixed target of 8 and that 1's don't count against your successes. I was hoping maybe you're more familiar with this so I can put that into Konkret too.

Yeah I know, it's embarrassing how little I know about roleplaying dice given that I'm writing an online roller. But there's a lot of systems out there and I come from a tradition where roleplaying is pretty freeform. smile.gif Dice still comes into play but I haven't had a chance to learn that many systems.

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Orgaloth
Posted: Mar 19 2006, 07:08 PM


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QUOTE (KonkretRoller @ Mar 18 2006, 09:24 PM)
Wow. I completely missed that rule when I was playing somehow.

Okay so lets get this thing fixed up then. Here're some pretend rolls and how I understand they should turn out, from your explanation:

Initial Roll vs target 8 is,
10 4 5 9 (2 successes)

After reroll, 10 4 5 9 10 (3 successes)
After reroll again, 10 4 5 9 10 4 (3 successes)

And we stop there.

How about,

10 4 5 9 (2 successes)
10 4 5 9 1 (1 successes)

?

By the way, I haven't been keeping up with WoD very much but I understand that they changed the dice system in the new edition? I heard that you now roll against a fixed target of 8 and that 1's don't count against your successes. I was hoping maybe you're more familiar with this so I can put that into Konkret too.

Yeah I know, it's embarrassing how little I know about roleplaying dice given that I'm writing an online roller. But there's a lot of systems out there and I come from a tradition where roleplaying is pretty freeform. smile.gif Dice still comes into play but I haven't had a chance to learn that many systems.

You're right in that the target number is 8 and 1's don't subtract. In the example

Initial Roll vs target 8 is,
10 4 5 9 (2 successes)

Only one die would be re-rolled (the 10) So if that came up 8 or more, then there's another success. If it came up 10 again, then it's a success, and it's re-rolled. As long as it comes up 10 it's re-rolled.


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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 12:46 PM


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So does the 10 Again, 9 Again rules etc apply only to the new revision with fixed target 8 and no 1s subtract?
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Orgaloth
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 04:13 PM


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The 10again also applies to the old system, but the 1 took away successes, and the target number was determined by the GM.

So the above statement about the new system is true.


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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 06:27 PM


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Alright. I think I have a pretty good idea about what should be done with the WoD system then.

I'll try to get this done pretty soon and upload a beta so you can try it out.

I'll implement:
  • Separation between new WoD and old WoD: new WoD has fixed target 8 and no subtraction for 1s.
  • 10 Again, 9 Again and 8 Again for new WoD: 8 Again implies 9 Again and 10 Again, 9 Again alone implies 9 Again and 10 Again, 10 Again alone is only 10 Again.
  • When X again is active, and X is rolled, one more die is added to the pool which then is treated the same as if it had been part of the original die pool.
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Posted: Mar 20 2006, 06:42 PM


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Sounds right, but I'm not sure what you mean in the last point.


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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 07:53 PM


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I mean this: when rolling anything with '<something> Again' activated, then rolling <something> causes an increase in the dice pool for that roll. I.e. if rolling 10 Again, rolling a 10 will give you one more die in your pool for that roll. The new die is treated exactly as all the previous ones - in particular, if its a 10 again another die is added to the pool. Whatever system is used for counting successes, be it the new or the old one, will also apply to dice added in this manner.
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Orgaloth
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 07:59 PM


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Ahh I see now. Yeah that's right.


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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 08:01 PM


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Konkret has rolled:
  • 10x(D10+0): 5 2 1 7 3 4 7 8 5 10 (Sum: 52) (WoD Successes for Diff 8: 1)
This is forum roll number 108.

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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 20 2006, 08:01 PM


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Konkret has rolled Test roll:
  • 10x(D10+0): 9 10 4 2 8 2 2 8 2 6 (Sum: 53) (WoD Successes for Diff 8: 4)
This is forum roll number 109.

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KonkretRoller
Posted: Mar 21 2006, 02:58 PM


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Konkret has rolled New WoD 10 Again:
  • 5x(D10+0): 2 5 3 1 7 (Sum: 18) (New WoD Successes: 0)
  • 5x(D10+0): 8 8 9 4 5 (Sum: 34) (New WoD Successes: 3)
  • 5x(D10+0): 8 8 1 9 3 (Sum: 29) (New WoD Successes: 3)
  • 5x(D10+0): 8 8 5 2 4 (Sum: 27) (New WoD Successes: 2)
  • 5x(D10+0): 6 7 3 8 10 +9 (Sum: 43) (New WoD Successes: 3)
  • 5x(D10+0): 6 1 1 2 7 (Sum: 17) (New WoD Successes: 0)
  • 5x(D10+0): 2 7 9 2 4 (Sum: 24) (New WoD Successes: 1)
  • 5x(D10+0): 7 9 2 10 3 +9 (Sum: 40) (New WoD Successes: 3)
  • 5x(D10+0): 8 4 8 10 1 +5 (Sum: 36) (New WoD Successes: 3)
  • 5x(D10+0): 5 3 9 1 9 (Sum: 27) (New WoD Successes: 2)
This is forum roll number 14.

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