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 Wtc7 23 Minute Warning Before The Collapse, Unusual BBC report of the WTC7 collapse
carlos
Posted: Feb 27 2007, 06:41 PM


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http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?d...938354&hl=en-GB

bbc news24 also reported it a whole 29 minutes before collapse
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lets put into theory the possibility they knew it was going to colllapse due to leaked info or being blackmailed into tryin to brainwash viewers into beleiving it was terrorists to gain war, so the more chaos the more easier it is to manipulate viewers then you can get a war quicker, remember not only america went to war, the uk did also. they were doing a trial report for when it actually did collapse or the actual report then just wait for the collapse and release the tape, i would need recorded footage i cannot remember watching them feeds in 2001. hopefully some people have it on vcr


it is all very dodgy and why is this only released now, maybe someone at bbc finally couldnt hide the conspiracy anymore and wanted to try and give more evidence to prove it was a cover up.

overall bbc will get outa this by saying it was a crazy day and they are sorry etc etc our reporters didnt know the complex to perfection.....
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...401055684448882

This one is still working, i checked out the ones posted earlier but they are removed already.

Outstanding work whoever found this one!
Also, here you can read BBC response to the video:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007...conspiracy.html

They "lost all footage from 9/11/2001 because of a "cock-up""

Get the fuck out lol.
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C'mon guys... let's get to the bottom of this!

On BBC World's Editor's Blog entitled 'Part of the Conspiracy?' (Feb. 27, 2007), Richard Poter (Head of News, BBC World) makes the following claim regarding his network's 09/11/01 report on the collapse of WTC7:

"We did what we always did - sourced our reports... and constantly tried to check and double check the information we were receiving." - Richard Porter, Head of News (BBC World)

See full blog here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007...conspiracy.html

In the interest of free and open public discourse, as befits a public broadcaster, we must pressure the BBC to provide the aforementioned "source" for their report on the collapse of WTC7.

This "source" could be the key to unravelling the mystery behind the collapse of WTC7!
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QUOTE (NoCoolAid @ Feb 27 2007, 04:03 PM)
Don't you guys think you are making a bit too much of this?

if it weren't 20 minutes before the collapse and if it didn't cut out right before the collapse... and of course if the building didn't collapse straight down in 6.5 seconds and if Danny Jowenko didn't think it were a CD.. then yeah..

but, if you haven't, read "manufacturing consent" - or watch the movie by the same name - and then watch this clip again - and notice what they talk about between news reports... "losing freedoms".. yap yap.. it's literally manufacturing consent - setting people up to give up their freedoms and support wars against faceless enemies - where anybody who fights back becomes a "terrorist"..

it's setting up perpetual war and we're one limited nuclear war away from a 1984 scenario..
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Posted: Feb 27 2007, 11:12 PM


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A couple weeks ago i recorded an ABC 911 broadcast [audio only] off a thread here.

The reporter on the scene says it looked like a CD, then changes his story.

If anyone has any doubts that MSM was being fed the 'official lie' this will eleminate those doubts.

Chris

ETA: http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
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QUOTE (-Raven- @ Feb 27 2007, 01:11 PM)
Can somebody repost this video? Youtube maybe?

Go to www.infowars.com. Alex posted it!
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So, what's the story here?

The perpetrators announced - to the BBC - the demolition of #7 in advance?
Was this just a cock-up, like the CD was delayed for technical reasons and nobody in the Illuminati bunker spotted the problem?

Did they think that they needed to draw the world's attention to the collapse of a 47-storey building located 100yds from GZ by telling the media? In case nobody noticed and all their shock-and-awe cake icing went to waste?

Did they deliberately (but only through the BBC) release their intention 20 minutes early??

C'mon folks. It's all terribly exciting for you I know, but actually it goes like this:

"They say WTC7 is going to come down"

"WTC7's coming down"

"WTC7's come down"

Chinese Whispers.

Nothing to see here. Move along.



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I'd like to know if there was an announcement made following the on the scene report that there was a mistake made concerning the collapse of WTC7. If not, this to me is very suspicious considering that the feed from New York was interrupted approximately 5 minutes prior to the actual collapse. Surely this was noticed by the reporter and the crew on the scene. Seems to me a retraction should have immediately followed.
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I sent them this letter-

BBC,

I just read the response to the news of BBC's reporting of the collapse of WTC 7 having occured prematurely and was utterly convinced by your sound logic and impeccable journalism.

All questions that arrive after your explanation are clearly the mad rantings of tinfoil hatted conspiracy theorists, unworthy of your further consideration.

I did, however want to offer you my services concerning the future storage of archival materials at my house. In the US, it is required by law that every taxpaying citizen maintain at least 7 years of documentary evidence of each and every claim and deduction associated with the annual filing of Income Taxes regardless of how trivial and minute they may be and I have a perfect track record, having never misplaced a single receipt, be it for gasoline, hotel bills or even meals associated with my business. I understand how difficult it must be for an organization like your to be so menticulous in your record keeping as to keep track of the archives from what was the single largest single day event on US soil, so I would like to handle all future storage matters for you, gratis.

I have a big basement that has never flooded, a spacious attic and a big safe and I promise that I will be very careful with everything you give me associated with your coverage of September 11th- whatever you may still have, that is.

Please feel free to call or email me for details and I will personally fly to London to pick those materials up so that if you should require them in the future, they will be kept safe and sound in my personal care.

Regards-

(Name and Address Withheld)
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QUOTE (silas @ Feb 28 2007, 03:38 PM)
I'd like to know if there was an announcement made following the on the scene report that there was a mistake made concerning the collapse of WTC7. If not, this to me is very suspicious considering that the feed from New York was interrupted approximately 5 minutes prior to the actual collapse. Surely this was noticed by the reporter and the crew on the scene. Seems to me a retraction should have immediately followed.

Oh, gosh, darn.

Umm, they lost that.

But they clearly remember they DID make a retraction, it was seared in their memory although no one told them to do it. Unfortunately the BBC dog ate the only copy.

/HTH
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...5gotwarning.htm
Rudolph Giuliani Got Warning WTC Towers Were Going To Collapse

. There is a slight blip where the word 'collapse' cuts off, but the full quote is as follows...

"We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse."
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Alex Jones at prisonplanet.com (currently down probably because it is being avalanched by visits) is now reporting that its webmaster Paul Joseph Watson has found the News 24 channel footage with a time stamp on it.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...07timestamp.htm
It shows 21:54 (4.54 EST), which proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the BBC News 24 anchor man was reporting receiving news of WTC 7 collapsing 26 minutes before it is known to have happened! (see link).

In response to Watson's earlier story
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...07building7.htm
based upon footage without a time stamp, a BBC editor blogsite has a spokesman for the BBC admitting that they made a mistake. This is a phony mea culpa, for the BBC was merely responding to what was coming through over their machines from their news sources, so THEY did not get the story wrong. What they are trying to hide is the fact that the source of this news had released it to the BBC before it had happened. This could have occurred only if that source KNEW with CERTAINTY that WTC 7 was coming down, for such a news item would hardly have been issued to the world's media based merely on a suspicion or anxiety about what might happen in a few minutes or hours. And that source could only have known it with certainty if the reason for the collapse was that it was being blown up deliberately!
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QUOTE (Micpsi @ Feb 28 2007, 08:59 PM)
Alex Jones at prisonplanet.com (currently down probably because it is being avalanched by visits) is now reporting that its webmaster Paul Joseph Watson has found the News 24 channel footage with a time stamp on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUjvsAHY_38

Here's the Youtube version with the time stamp.

It starts at 21:54 which was 4:54PM EDT in New York.
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QUOTE (honway @ Feb 28 2007, 08:42 PM)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...5gotwarning.htm
Rudolph Giuliani Got Warning WTC Towers Were Going To Collapse

. There is a slight blip where the word 'collapse' cuts off, but the full quote is as follows...

"We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse."

Here's how Guiliani got this warning.
www.whatreallyhappened.com
Who Told Giuliani the WTC was Going to Collapse on 9/11?
QUESTION: Mr. Mayor [Giuliani], just to clarify something that Mr. Kerik said you were about 10 minutes past when you were standing with several of the high ranking officers who you lost and then you went to Barkley Street, have you thought about that 10 minute gap, how you were 10 minutes from being in a horrible situation?

GIULIANI: I haven't had a chance to think about it.

QUESTION: Then that could of evacuate the 10--you would have been with them 10 minutes earlier before the building collapsed?

GIULIANI: The - some of the people that we lost we saw like Father Judge (ph) and Chief Gansy (ph), Bill Fehan (ph), we saw them about 10 minutes before - before we went over to 75 Barkley street. www.washingtonpost.com
Mayor Giuliani was at the base of the World Trade Center ten minutes before the collapse of WTC 2.

In the following 9/11 ABC News live interview Giuliani states he was warned of the collapses:

(ABC News broadcast at www.whatreallyhappened.com)

“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”

No steel framed building had collapsed through fire prior to 9/11, so how was it known that the World Trade Center was going to collapse? There was no factual or historical basis for this prediction.

When was Giuliani warned? Why were only a select few people warned? How many lives would have been saved if everyone had received this warning?

Were Port Authority staff told to stay in the buildings? If so, why? In all, 16 workers waited on the 64th floor and weighed escape options after a hijacked jetliner cut through the skin of the north tower about 30 stories above them. The rest of the floor had cleared out 30 minutes earlier. Why the 16 stayed is open to question. Only McMillan and co-worker Pasquale Buzzelli survived.

Some say the group was instructed to stay by the Port Authority police, even though radio transcripts show the Port Authority's commanding officer at the World Trade Center, Capt. Anthony Whitaker, ordered a full evacuation of the complex a minute before a second hijacked jetliner struck the south tower.

On instructions from the Port Authority, McMillan declines to discuss why she stayed. www.whatreallyhappened.com

Why were firefighters in the impact zone of WTC 2 unaware that the building was going to collapse? They should have been the ones reporting this information, instead they reported only isolated fires immediately before the building's collapse. (www.whatreallyhappened.com) Isolated fires do not bring down steel framed buildings.

This 541kB wma file [go to www.whatreallyhappened.com) is edited from the radio transmissions of North Brunswick Volunteer Fire/Ladder Company #3 on 9/11. Hear the shock, anguish and suffering as the WTC buildings came to ground. Why didn't these firefighters receive notice that the buildings were going to collapse?
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Well, now we DO know who, despite the fact that no skyscraper had ever collapsed owing to fire, was, apparently, SO better informed than firefighters at the scene that he was able to give warning to Mr Guiliani that WTC 2 was about to collapse. It was Emergency Management Service Division Chief John Peruggia (www.cooperativeresearch.org) Here is the transcript of an interview with medical technician Richard Zarillo, a liaison between the EMS and the OEM, posted at Whatreallyhappened.com

"...Again, times are a little fuzzy initially for me. A few minutes later, John came to me and said you need to go find Chief Ganci and relay the following message: that the buildings have been compromised, we need to evacuate, they're going to collapse. I said okay. I went down Vesey Street towards West.

Q. You were by yourself?

A. I was by myself, me and my helmet and my radio. I got to the corner of Vesey and West. I found some EMS vehicles. I think I saw Chief Gombo there. I'm not really sure. I mentioned to the EMS people there, again, not knowing who they were, I said you need to get away from here, the building might collapse, we need to leave this spot.

As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where's the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what's the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.
"...it's coming over our radio, get out of the area, the second tower's coming down."

"They're saying the second tower is coming...?"

"Yes, it's about to collapse."

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the fuck told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down.

It seems logical that the Office of Emergency Management would warn their boss of the impending collapses, so it appears this is how Mayor Giuliani received warning of the collapses."
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But how could John Peruggia know this with enough certainty to tell Zarillo to warn Chief Ganci, when fire fighters who had got to the 78th floor of WCT 2 (the area of impact with the plane) radioed to the ground that there was only isolated pockets of fire - no 800 degree raging infernos and no sign of pillars or ceilings beginning to give way! As proof of this, hear the radio talk from firefighters at www.whatreallyhappened.com made a few seconds before the collapse started, when, according to the official story, there were supposed to be massive structural failures occurring in this section of the building. Here's a short extract:

"Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Tower one. Battalion Seven to Ladder 15.

Fifteen."

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay."

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're coming up the stairs. We're on 77 now in the B stair, I'll be right to you."

Battalion Seven Operations Tower One: "Battalion Seven Operations Tower One to Battalion Nine, need you on floor above 79. We have access stairs going up to 79, kay."

Battalion Nine: "Alright, I'm on my way up Orio."" (www.thememoryhole.org)

Any frantic warnings that the floor was about to collapse? Nope. On the contrary, the fire fighter requests two men to come up to him. Any indication of raging infernos? Nope. Two men were needed "to knock down two fires" - "two pockets of fire."

Who told John Peruggia that the buildings either would or might collapse? According to the Center for Cooperative Research (www.cooperativeresearch.org)
"In the lobby of Building 7 of the WTC, EMS Division Chief John Peruggia is in discussion with Fire Department Captain Richard Rotanz and a representative from the Department of Buildings. As Peruggia later describes, “it was brought to my attention, it was believed that the structural damage that was suffered to the [twin] towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and they felt that the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse.” Peruggia grabs EMT Richard Zarrillo, and tells him to pass on the message, “that the buildings have been compromised, we need to evacuate, they're going to collapse.” Zarrillo heads out to the fire command post, situated in front of 3 World Financial, the American Express Building, where he relays this message to several senior firefighters. Seconds later, they hear the noise of the South Tower as it collapses."

So Peruggia in effect said that "they" (referring to Fire Department Captain Richard Rotanz and a Department of Buildings representative) believed there was a danger that the North Tower was about to collapse and that he merely passed on their warning to Chief Ganci. But how could Rotanz himself be so sure, when none of his men at the scene suspected this? (Let us ignore the possibility that the anonymous representative from the Department of Buildings seriously influenced the decision to warn Chief Ganci. Although it cannot be ruled out, it is more plausible that it was the Fire Department Captain's professional opinion that would have counted here). One could understand such a warning being issued if it had come AFTER the South Tower fell. But Mayor Giuliani and fire chiefs were told before the FIRST building collapsed so unexpectedly. Does this almost psychic presentiment by Rotanz sound credible to you? Read the further statement by Peruggia, referring to Zarillo:

"I told him: "You see Chief Ganci and Chief Ganci only. Provide him with the information that the building integrity is severely compromised and they believe the building is in danger of imminent
collapse." So, he left off in that direction.
Q. They felt that just the one building or both of them?
A. The information we got at that time was that they felt both buildings were significantly damaged, but they felt that the north tower, which was the first one to be struck, was going to be in imminent danger of collapse. Looking up at it, you could see that, you could see through the smoke or whatever, that there was significant structural damage to the exterior of the building. Very noticeable. Now you know, again, this is not a scene where the thought of both buildings collapsing ever entered into my mind." (www.graphics8.nytimes.com)

No, I bet it didn't! And it is utterly unbelievable, too, that it could have entered the mind of Captain Rotanz as a serious thought! How could the degree of structural damage to either tower inferred from an external inspection ever have made him come to the conclusion that the North Tower was about to collapse? Utterly unbelievable! He must have been the only professional fire fighter there who thought that it could happen. In fact, it was so incredible that Chief Ganci had to ask Zarillo who had told him that! If Richard Rotanz REALLY did have that silly opinion, which contradicted all historical precedent for fires in steel-framed buildings and which was unwarranted by the evidence available to him, and if he DID express it to Peruggia, he was both professionally incompetent and a fool, and that is just as hard to believe as that the buildings fell because of fire damage.

Are we therefore asked to believe that someone with all the experience of a Fire Captain, someone who must have known that no steel-framed building had EVER collapsed due to fire and who had presumably during his career fought fires in buildings far more seriously damaged than the North Tower, had judged that fire and structural damage to about TWO floors of such a huge building had so weakened it that he thought it was about to collapse?! Had the computer-like brain of Richard Rotanz worked out in a few hours what was likely to happen, when it took months of official investigation by engineers to come up with a far-fetched reason for the collapse?! Can you really believe that? I cannot. Either this opinion was never actually expressed in the conversation Peruggia had with Rotanz or else Rotanz was deliberately overestimating the seriousness of the situation for some dark reason. (Perish the thought, of course, that he knew the buildings were going to be demolished and had to come up with a half-baked reason to order withdrawal of his men!). Even his own colleagues had difficulty in believing Peruggia's message conveyed to them by Zarillo ("who the fuck told you that?", Chief Ganci asked). Was Rotanz so clever or did he get so lucky in calling it right, when hundreds of fire fighting professionals at the scene never suspected the towers would collapse because it had never happened before to this type of building even in much more serious fires? I doubt it.

I think (as elsewhere in the 9/11 story) we are not being told the truth.
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Perhaps the FDNY are very well-trained and knowledgeable people?

The aircraft damage to the structure and fire-proofing would not be hard to imagine.

The weight of the buildings bearing down on the damaged areas....

Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that they simply got it right ?

Or is this (like the BBC report on WTC7) another case of the NWO perps announcing their intentions before the actual event occurred? ytf would they do that?

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QUOTE (Coconino @ Feb 28 2007, 11:38 PM)
Perhaps the FDNY are very well-trained and knowledgeable people?

The aircraft damage to the structure and fire-proofing would not be hard to imagine.

The weight of the buildings bearing down on the damaged areas....

Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that they simply got it right ?

Or is this (like the BBC report on WTC7) another case of the NWO perps announcing their intentions before the actual event occurred? ytf would they do that?

It had never happened before and none of the fire fighters (who should know) ever thought the towers would fall. The idea that the Fire Captain actually got it right is ludicrous. He relied on the reports of his men, who did not think the towers were about to collapse. Anyway, the towers did not 'fall.' They were blown up, floor by floor. Nothing collapsed, so your arguments are as irrelevant as they are tired and weak. Of course, the perps did not 'announce' their intentions publicly. The message about when the towers were about to be blown up (sorry! collapse) was passed onto Guiliani in an innocent, plausible manner so as not to attract suspicion.
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it's not the bounds of possibility but of probability.. but what it proves is that the media did what it always does - act as a loudspeaker.

They obviously didn't do a good job of verifying their source's claim - just went with it as fact..

"about the salomon brothers building collapse... and indeed it has.."

then he goes on about how it was because it was "weakened"...

the big question is who is feeding him this info?? why is this a hard question for them to answer? how the hell did they lose their tapes!?!

take it all together with the rest of the day and just writing it all off as the assumption that they were lucky or whatever - just going with the more appealing assumption is not wise.. this is a huge world-changing event we're talking about.. just assuming the best case scenario is not good enough.
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QUOTE (Coconino @ Feb 28 2007, 01:10 PM)
So, what's the story here?

The perpetrators announced - to the BBC - the demolition of #7 in advance?
Was this just a cock-up, like the CD was delayed for technical reasons and nobody in the Illuminati bunker spotted the problem?

Did they think that they needed to draw the world's attention to the collapse of a 47-storey building located 100yds from GZ by telling the media? In case nobody noticed and all their shock-and-awe cake icing went to waste?

Did they deliberately (but only through the BBC) release their intention 20 minutes early??

C'mon folks. It's all terribly exciting for you I know, but actually it goes like this:

"They say WTC7 is going to come down"

"WTC7's coming down"

"WTC7's come down"

Chinese Whispers.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Nope. You got it all wrong.
Was it a cock-up? Well, of course.
Did they deliberately release their intention 20 minutes early only through the BBC? Of course not. Philip Haton, the news anchor man, said that the news was coming in, i.e., off the news wires. Clearly, the same story was going out to many TV channels, but the BBC was the first to repeat the story live. He says that the Saloman Building HAS collapsed, not WILL. He is a veteran newsreader and certainly would not misread stuff. So your suggestion that words got garbled is inaccurate. Nothing got misreported. Instead, the story was released BEFORE it should have been. Simple as that. Got it now? Good.
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QUOTE (Micpsi @ Mar 1 2007, 12:11 AM)


Nothing to see here. Move along.
Nope. You got it all wrong.
Was it a cock-up? Well, of course.
Did they deliberately release their intention 20 minutes early only through the BBC? Of course not. Philip Haton, the news anchor man, said that the news was coming in, i.e., off the news wires. Clearly, the same story was going out to many TV channels, but the BBC was the first to repeat the story live. He says that the Saloman Building HAS collapsed, not WILL. He is a veteran newsreader and certainly would not misread stuff. So your suggestion that words got garbled is inaccurate. Nothing got misreported. Instead, the story was released BEFORE it should have been. Simple as that. Got it now? Good.

Quoted for truth, you can't even attempt to distort what he says it's very precise and clear.
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