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 H.res. 1955, Nice knowing you But, it's too late
Baker56
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 11:28 AM


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Excerpts. This bill was passed, figuratively in the dead of night without discussion nor debate.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110...110ose5M4:e871:

SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds the following:
...
(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.

...

SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

`(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.

(B) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

...
© foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.

...

(h) Authority of Individuals to Act for Commission- Any member of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action that the Commission is authorized to take under this Act.

(i) Powers of Commission- The powers of the Commission shall be as follows:

(1) IN GENERAL-

(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.

(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.

(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES-

(A) IN GENERAL- The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent practicable and authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.

(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- The Committee and its staff shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate information in a manner consistent with the operative statutes, regulations, and Executive orders that govern the handling, storage, and dissemination of such information at the department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality that responds to the request.

(j) Assistance From Federal Agencies-

...

(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.

(k) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.

(l) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.
...

(m) Public Meetings-

...

(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order including subsection (i)(2)(B).


Ellipses are mine. Sorry to be the bearer of this bad news. Definitely a violation of the 1st Amendment.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press ; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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Arbor
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 12:40 PM


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Yes. If a Truther group, anarchist group, communist group, black panther group, etc, starts discussing kidnapping, assault, murder, you will be in violation of the law.
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jfk
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 04:03 PM


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QUOTE (Baker56 @ Dec 9 2007, 12:28 PM)
Excerpts. This bill was passed, figuratively in the dead of night without discussion nor debate.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110...110ose5M4:e871:

SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds the following:
...
(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.

...

SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

`(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.

(B) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

...
foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.

...

(h) Authority of Individuals to Act for Commission- Any member of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action that the Commission is authorized to take under this Act.

(i) Powers of Commission- The powers of the Commission shall be as follows:

(1) IN GENERAL-

(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.

(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.

(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES-

(A) IN GENERAL- The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent practicable and authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.

(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- The Committee and its staff shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate information in a manner consistent with the operative statutes, regulations, and Executive orders that govern the handling, storage, and dissemination of such information at the department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality that responds to the request.

(j) Assistance From Federal Agencies-

...

(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.

(k) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.

(l) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.
...

(m) Public Meetings-

...

(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order including subsection (i)(2)(B).


Ellipses are mine. Sorry to be the bearer of this bad news. Definitely a violation of the 1st Amendment.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press ; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

ummm, wanna try again with that URL ? :blink:
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Baker56
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 06:21 PM


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Sorry,

I think the bill has been removed from on line. There is nothing on CSPAN and a new search of Thomas.gov returns: "The text of H RES 1955 has not yet been received from GPO" Strange, disturbing ???

You can search by bill number (H. Res. 1955) on Thomas.gov, but like I said, it isn't working now.
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jfk
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 07:26 PM


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QUOTE (Baker56 @ Dec 9 2007, 07:21 PM)
Strange, disturbing ???


Nope... not in today's world...

I am still waiting for someone to terrorize congress back into submission for those CIA tapes, like they did with the Anthrax in 2001 over the so called Patriot act. :angry:
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GermaniumGeorge
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 10:05 PM


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QUOTE (Arbor @ Dec 9 2007, 05:40 PM)
Yes. If a Truther group, anarchist group, communist group, black panther group, etc, starts discussing kidnapping, assault, murder, you will be in violation of the law.

That was already illegal. So then what's the point of this law?
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ihatecreditors
Posted: Dec 9 2007, 10:06 PM


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Ron Paul made a comment on the Bill. To all of you who kept saying it invaded our rights. It didn't, no one proved me wrong the 2 or 3 time before concerning this.

This peace of legislation is still very wrong. But not in the ways people before were proclaiming it. It is bad because it focuses here at home as if we are the source of violence. The internet, as if its the source of violence. And also creating a school of study which is ridiculous.
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Alexjonesfan
Posted: Dec 10 2007, 09:37 PM


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Friday November 30, 2007
Former CIA Officer Philip Giraldi Talks to Randi Rhodes on Air America About HR1955
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* source = http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/live/
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ihatecreditors
Posted: Dec 11 2007, 06:04 PM


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Nice thanks for that audio Alexjonesfan :)
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PHARAOH1133
Posted: Dec 11 2007, 09:08 PM


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Here's a thread I stared a while back hope it hels this topic thread.

Thread Link : http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...topic=19107&hl=
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mynameis
Posted: Dec 12 2007, 12:20 AM


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The old HR 1955 link was disabled, so I just researched it again.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110...p/~c1106dyqYW::

Now I ask, why are there 4 different versions of the same bill?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:h1955:
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