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 Jref's New Strategy Against Loose Change, Contacting Anti-Piracy Groups
IVXX
Posted: Nov 12 2007, 07:32 PM


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QUOTE (TomBombadillo @ Nov 12 2007, 07:28 PM)
QUOTE (IVXX @ Nov 12 2007, 06:22 PM)
QUOTE (Headhunter @ Nov 12 2007, 06:05 PM)
Why don't they debate the content.

Cause they can't.

What was new in the film that hasn't already been addressed?

Watch it. And addressing an issue and debunking it are two separate things.
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TomBombadillo
Posted: Nov 12 2007, 08:02 PM


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QUOTE (IVXX @ Nov 12 2007, 07:32 PM)
QUOTE (TomBombadillo @ Nov 12 2007, 07:28 PM)
QUOTE (IVXX @ Nov 12 2007, 06:22 PM)
QUOTE (Headhunter @ Nov 12 2007, 06:05 PM)
Why don't they debate the content.

Cause they can't.

What was new in the film that hasn't already been addressed?

Watch it. And addressing an issue and debunking it are two separate things.

I agree that addressing an issue and debunking an issue are two differents animals. I should have said what is new that the people on JREF who don't believe in the CT theories would not consider debunked. From what I have read I didn't notice any new material that would cause me to think it was any thing more than LIHIC (Let It Happen by Incompetence and Complacency). Doesn't mean there isn't any.
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QUOTE (stopsnitchin @ Nov 12 2007, 09:55 PM)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=98600

<_<

LOL!

And these are suppose to be liberals?

They might as well say they support Bush blowing up Arabs and putting anti war/9-11 truthers in concentration camps.

Ive seen these people in action

The so called "liberal" anti conspiracy/pro debunker people are the kind that claim to hate the government...

but then will call you a Nazi for criticizing Israel, or unAmerican for saying youre against the Afghanistan invasion.

HOW COME the debunkers dont go after Iraq War conspiracy videos?

Can anyone explain that one to me?
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nesNYC
  Posted: Nov 13 2007, 04:25 AM


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LOL! Bitter assholes (JREF). They honestly have nothing left. Sad.
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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 06:35 AM


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I just don't get it. Some JREFers seem determined to attack "twoofers" on every possible occasion. What, honestly, are they defending?

Maybe there really are people out in the world who wear specially folded bits of tin foil under their hats, but I don't see any point in attacking them for it.

I know Randi is the ultimate skeptic. You could bring a real live alien into the room, kill it in front of him, and chop it up to show that it wasn't a trick and he still wouldn't believe you.

You could demonstrate controlled electromatic levitation in front of him and he still wouldn't believe you, even if you built the entire apparatus under his very eyes.

I read a book about Alien Abduction, and according to a questionnaire within it, I am a high-repeat multiple-incident abductee. When I got the result, I laughed so hard and asked my flatmate, "Can you imagine me allowing them to hyptonise me and return me to Earth? Once I was space-borne, nothing would make me come back." That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to start attacking people who do believe they've been abducted by aliens.

So why can't we all, "live and let live"?

We want to wake people up, but if the JREF mob want to keep sticking the drips back in their arms, let them sleep on...

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TomBombadillo
Posted: Nov 13 2007, 06:59 AM


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QUOTE (8bitagent @ Nov 13 2007, 03:16 AM)
QUOTE (stopsnitchin @ Nov 12 2007, 09:55 PM)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=98600

<_<

LOL!

And these are suppose to be liberals?

They might as well say they support Bush blowing up Arabs and putting anti war/9-11 truthers in concentration camps.

Ive seen these people in action

The so called "liberal" anti conspiracy/pro debunker people are the kind that claim to hate the government...

but then will call you a Nazi for criticizing Israel, or unAmerican for saying youre against the Afghanistan invasion.

HOW COME the debunkers dont go after Iraq War conspiracy videos?

Can anyone explain that one to me?

How did you arrive at this from that thread?

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And these are suppose to be liberals?

They might as well say they support Bush blowing up Arabs and putting anti war/9-11 truthers in concentration camps.



This part is certainly untrue
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but then will call ..., or unAmerican for saying youre against the Afghanistan invasion.


you may be called a Nazi if you try to claim Israel was behind for 9/11 without evidence.
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but then will call you a Nazi for criticizing Israel


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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 09:41 AM


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I think they should stick to debunking Criss Angel and Uri Geller. Keep the Physics and Controlled Demolitions for the experts.
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Nolan Ganwich
Posted: Nov 13 2007, 10:11 AM


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you may be called a Nazi if you try to claim Israel was behind for 9/11 without evidence.


You may be called a nazi if you support the nazi like conquest of the middle east based on proven lies, which you appear to do.

Nazi
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you may be called a Nazi if you try to claim Israel was behind for 9/11 without evidence.

What do you mean "behind" and when did anyone say something along the lines of "Israel was behind 9/11".
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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 11:03 AM


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QUOTE (Nolan Ganwich @ Nov 13 2007, 03:11 PM)
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you may be called a Nazi if you try to claim Israel was behind for 9/11 without evidence.


You may be called a nazi if you support the nazi like conquest of the middle east based on proven lies, which you appear to do.

Nazi

When you point the finger you always have four pointing back on most occasions. Finger pointing never solves the problems, and is just an excuse for the lack of communication skills. It's also a projection of what the inner mind sees, especially when a media conglomerate projects it's failing illogical horse manure, like it's the word on high.
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TomBombadillo
Posted: Nov 13 2007, 11:07 AM


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QUOTE (Nolan Ganwich @ Nov 13 2007, 10:11 AM)
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you may be called a Nazi if you try to claim Israel was behind for 9/11 without evidence.


You may be called a nazi if you support the nazi like conquest of the middle east based on proven lies, which you appear to do.

Nazi

How do you know what if any policies I support in the Middle East?
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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 11:14 AM


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QUOTE (TomBombadillo @ Nov 12 2007, 07:28 PM)
QUOTE (IVXX @ Nov 12 2007, 06:22 PM)
QUOTE (Headhunter @ Nov 12 2007, 06:05 PM)
Why don't they debate the content.

Cause they can't.

What was new in the film that hasn't already been addressed?


Give me a few days, I'll post every single issue that is in Final Cut and not in the 2nd.
Either that...or you can watch the movie yourself and find out...
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miragememories
Posted: Nov 13 2007, 11:14 AM


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At least one of our devotees needs help;

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?pos...265#post3148265

MM
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Nolan Ganwich
Posted: Nov 13 2007, 11:21 AM


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QUOTE (TomBombadillo @ Nov 13 2007, 11:07 AM)
QUOTE (Nolan Ganwich @ Nov 13 2007, 10:11 AM)
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you may be called a Nazi if you try to claim Israel was behind for 9/11 without evidence.


You may be called a nazi if you support the nazi like conquest of the middle east based on proven lies, which you appear to do.

Nazi

How do you know what if any policies I support in the Middle East?

here is your oppourtunity.
What is your position on the illegal invasion of a soveriegn nation?
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QUOTE (miragememories @ Nov 13 2007, 04:14 PM)
At least one of our devotees needs help;

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?pos...265#post3148265

MM

There's no point in arguing with those people, you cannot win by default. Either by ignoring, ridiculing or going so much into more and more details until the point of discussion is lost and you're just tired of talking to the wall.
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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 11:37 AM


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QUOTE (buddy @ Nov 12 2007, 05:12 PM)
well, the assumption is that all the videos are being used without permission and not as fair use. Good luck with that.

yeah that's good. go after copyright infringement, not the issues.

Fair use doesn't extend to using something for profit.

Though, I assume that Dylan/LTW have consulted attorneys and done their research on that prior to releasing this film.
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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 12:16 PM


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QUOTE (IVXX @ Nov 12 2007, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (BenBurch @ JREF)

You know, I bet if we got on the phone this week, by Friday we could have at least a half-dozen media outlets suing Dylan over his piracy of their copyright works. He goes WAY beyond the legal definition of fair use.


QUOTE (SDC @ JREF)

I can only assume that DA not only never consulted a specialist in copyright and intellectual property, he never considered it seriously.


:lol:

Think they'll admit they're wrong?? I guess BenBurch likes making an ass of himself.

:lol:

First and foremost, Michael Moore used "Fair Use" throughout F9/11 and his other works.

Second of all, we have a letter of clearance FROM...[drum roll]....a copyright and fair use attorney!

Third of all, we purchased footage from Associated Press, Zembla, and others.

Fourth, um, hey, guys ... aren't you supposed to be debating the content? Not acting like a bunch of schoolchildren trying to get a classmate in trouble?

Oh.

Sorry, I forgot.
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TomBombadillo
Posted: Nov 13 2007, 02:04 PM


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QUOTE (Nolan Ganwich @ Nov 13 2007, 11:21 AM)
QUOTE (TomBombadillo @ Nov 13 2007, 11:07 AM)
QUOTE (Nolan Ganwich @ Nov 13 2007, 10:11 AM)
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you may be called a Nazi if you try to claim Israel was behind for 9/11 without evidence.


You may be called a nazi if you support the nazi like conquest of the middle east based on proven lies, which you appear to do.

Nazi

How do you know what if any policies I support in the Middle East?

here is your oppourtunity.
What is your position on the illegal invasion of a soveriegn nation?

If you are referring to Iraq I am and have always been against it. I don't know if I agree with your characterization of it as an illegal invasion of a soveriegn nation.
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QUOTE (Arbor @ Nov 12 2007, 11:23 PM)
Does the "fair use" doctrine include for-profit documentaries?

Perhaps LTW should become a 501c3.

yes, it does. and I believe Dylan had to pay for some of this footage, so obviously it would come with a license for how to use it.

Alex Jones, who is a very well accomplished filmaker and businessman (whether you like him or not) was one of the people making sure this film was bullet proof. So you have an expert in making docs giving Dylan advice on what to do.

If Alex hasn't been successfully sued for similar things, then Dylan won't be either.

And if a television outlet does try to sue Dylan, think of all the press it would generate. Their strategists would advice them against suing him.

They don't want to look complicit like BBC already does.
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