Fdr North Plot Data?, Last chance to salvage it

Well, as astute observers know, Pilots for Truth have repeatedly used something called "NTSB north plot data" to sow confusion and/or argue for a FDR flight path mimicking the Citgo witnesses. But as many have responsed, the FDR data itself shows the official heading, more or less, and ONLY the final map in the NTSB animation shows anything significantly off - a trajectory 20 degrees (or so) off from the mag heading in the FDR.

Many have guessed or presumed the overlay map was corrected for magnetic declination backwards. I have now SHOWN visually and verifiably that the map is rotated, tho it seems about 16 degrees instread of 20. At any rate, contrary to Rob Balsamo's assurances, the animation grid does not match real-world lines (it's oriented to magnetic north) and the overlay map is rotated about 7 degrees relative to that. My contention then is that other than an (accidental?) map rotation, there is NO NTSB NORTH PLOT DATA AND THERE NEVER WAS.

Here is my work and reasoning: full explanation w/deeper links

Discussion thread at ATS
(Where I hear I am being kept "at bay.")
Balsamo and Lear won't touch it. Rob tried, got his finger burnt. Craig has nothing to offer but rhetoric and insults. Can anyone HERE show me wrong and salvage the FDR's northern path? If not, I expect to see no one argue for it again.

Here are the graphics:
Full animation grid decided on by about ten hours of scanning the animation and counting/tracking lines.
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effective rotation - about 9 degrees CCW - and this is approximate. It's more likely ten-ish.
The rest speaks for itself:

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How did they accidentally rotate the map? Have you asked the NTSB about this? Did you ask them about the altitude?

How did they accidentally rotate the map? Have you asked the NTSB about this? Did you ask them about the altitude?

I too would like to see your responses to the above questions and an explanation to the following :

Is it true when you "correct" it to the South Side the plane takes off from a big empty field?

How does either side of the Citgo explain away the fact that the plane is too high to hit any of the poles and stops well before impact unlike UA93 FDR and all others?

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How did they accidentally rotate the map? Have you asked the NTSB about this? Did you ask them about the altitude?

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I too would like to see your responses to the above questions and an explanation to the following :

Is it true when you "correct" it to the South Side the plane takes off from a big empty field?

How does either side of the Citgo explain away the fact that the plane is too high to hit any of the poles and stops well before impact unlike UA93 FDR and all others?[/

One second before the official impact of 9:37:45 (too far away with one second of flight time left), 377 feet too high above the Pentagon roof, and much too far north of the official South of the Citgo flight path (almost identical path to North of Citgo flight path). See those light poles way down there below and to the south? Do you think the aircraft will make it to the light poles and generator in time? Give it some more throttle Hani Hanjour.
Hurry Hani... :rolleyes:

NTSB AA77 Animation 9/11 Pentagon

Okay, I'm back.

Avenger: I have not asked them. From what I've seen around they do not like to talk about stuff, especially if it shows their deliberations or decision-making process. You can ask John Farmer. So with no answers coming, I am not waiting. Reasons - if a full 20 degree rotation after all, backwards magnetic correction is the most likely reason. If it's 16 or so as I'm seeing, I dunno. It's a subject to discuss. In my case they also said "here's all the stuff," but included no stuff.
letter and envelope scan This is highly odd. It may have something to with the abbreviation "tpc"at the bottom of the letter, but I dunno.

Terrorcell: To correct the final heading, you'd need only rotate the final map 16-20 degrees CW. If you tried following the global grid lines back from there, you'd find it seeming to take off from God only knows were. It's way off. Don't try to locate things from the animation grid. Ignore it and look at plot data from the csv, corrected.
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Which brings us to...

The "farmer's field" thing is another issue, as John Farmer put it the csv file "has the plane taking off from a field west of Dulles and crashing somewhere well west of the Pentagon (look at the coordinates stupid).” THIS is from the west offset of longitude readingsin the csv file, about 22 minutes (or nearly 20 miles). I'ts that way the whole time - by plot data it takes off from some spot 20 miles west of Dulles and crashes just south of Dulles, around Chantilly. Fix the error by subtracting 22' across the board and it's consistent with the official flight path (except I think a temporary glitch before takeoff undertow has discovered, and possibly a 20-22 second north offset in the latitude readings plus additional 22-second offset in longitudes - or an earlier end than presumed - see graphic above).

Spreston: You don't seem to get it. The "too far to the left" shown in Pandora's Black Box is an illusion only. Ask Rob - he's not openly admitting this, and might protest if asked, but he's also curiously not pushing it anymore. He's "transitioned to southern data" and all he has for me is basically 'well, you've been wrong in the past...' and 'I'm not gonna bother.'

Sorry if I'm being obnoxious, guys. I'm just sayin' - I think most people know or suspect anyway there's nothing to it, but just to shut 'er down and save us all some time, the data all shows south, the picture only shows north. If they'd slapped an overlay map of Disneyalnd on there, would we think it crashed at Disneyland? I hope not.

This doesn't touch the other issues at all, in itself, the witnesses, the other FDR things, all separate issues.

The new story from Rob is the north path doesn't matter, they've never actually argued anything based on it, and it seems they have "transitioned" to "southern data." As Craig reminds me, it has nothing to do with the witnesses, never has. He don't trust that stuff.

So it's over. Except...

Was it an accident, this rotation? When was it made and who shown to before released for us to get confused over? Why can they fake the FDR data to match the painstakingly crafted "killer jet" path marked by Rube Goldberg-esque contrivances, but didn't just put the "flyover" plane on that path and crash it in with its FDR to do it all in one fell swoop and leave no giveaway FX oversights or loose-lipped north path witnesses? Just to mess with us and 'cause they needed fifty new hobbies?

ETA: Oh, and then accidentally released an animation showing the 'real' flight path that nearly matches the north path witnesses?

Anyhoo...