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 100% Proof Atta Had Some Sort Of Double, Based entirely on MSM and official stuff
John Doe II
Posted: Dec 11 2006, 04:25 AM


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Right after September 11 it has been widely reported (first time on September 12) that Atta and Al Shehhi had been drinking in the afternoon of September 7 in a bar called Shuckums in Hollywood, Florida.
Night manager Tony Amos and waitress Patricia Idrissi were interviewed by the FBI and many journalists. Atta and Al Shehhi were heavily drinking, rude and finally told the waitress he worked for American Airlines.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...3¬Found=true
http://www.sptimes.com/News/091301/Worldan...ecords_of.shtml
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...5¬Found=true
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...14/whunt114.xml
http://web.archive.org/web/20011218081455/...hijack16s1.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...,552749,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...1¬Found=true
http://www.boston.com/news/daily/12/florida_search.htm

The evening of September 7 Atta was seen drinking in Sarasota. Very close to the hotel where President Bush was staying the night of September 10. Again several persons witnessed him but this story only made it into the local press.
http://www.longboatobserver.com/showarticle.asp?ai=2172

When the Commission Report claimed that Atta flew on September 7 to Baltimore there was still a very small chance that after his drinking tour in Shuckums he could still have gotten the last flight at 7.30. pm (though this would have been in strong contradiction to most accounts) and the Sarasota witnessing would have been a mistake (only based on one media account) but when the evidence of the Moussaoui trial was published we find a proof that Atta must have succeded in bilocation.
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...rosecution.html
Open the one on Atta (OG00020.02 at the bottom of the page)
Here you find now
On Sep 7 a wire transfer from Al Shehhi's and Atta's account happened on Sep 7 at 15:58 in Fort Lauderdale.
This pushes the beginning of the drinking in Hollywood to later than 4.15 p.m. or somehow the alleged hijackers interrupted their session.
Now open the file on Al Shhehi (open OG00020.01 at the bottom of the list). Here you find:
Al Shehhi made on Sep 7 at 16:56 in Deerfield Beach an ATM withdrawal fom Saeed Al Ghamdi's account and was taken on video.
At the very same time he's drinking at Shuckums in Hollywood.

Atta took as officially stated in the already mentioned chronology on Atta he did take Flight 2719 from Fort Lauderdale to Baltimore on September 7, 2001. According to the BTS the plane was scheduled for 3:15 p.m.
Therefore Atta is on a flight to Baltimore while he is still witnessed drinking at Shuckums for hours....!

The drinking in Shuckums has been witnessed and widely reported:
How do you reconcile the presence of Atta and Al Shehhi at the same time of the drinking somewhere else.
For further information see:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...wtopic.php?3637

The problem is also this is by far not the only time when Atta is in two places at the same time, is described with different height, different English capacity, different signatures, different behaviour (from refusing to shake the hands of women to loving lapdances).
See the following summary of a detailed timeline which is only based on mainstream media accounts and official documents:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...pic.php?2484.10
(Iíve attached the summary below).

Furthermore Atta is by far not the only case where the presence of some sort of doubles can be proven or is very probable.
For timelines and summaries on each alleged hijacker see here:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...iewforum.php?23

The whole issue of the identities of the alleged hijackers is amazing:
Why did the FBI never publish a definite list of the names and identities?
Why was no alleged hijacker of Flight 77 and 93 positively identified?
Why are the names of the two alleged hijackers that were positively identified at the WTC never published?
Why did 15 alleged hijackers enter the US before their official entrance date?
How come Able Danger identified Atta and Al Shehhi at a time when they were still in Germany?
At least five alleged hijacker were under surveillance by the US prior to 9/11.
How come no less than seven alleged hijackers were in the US illegally and apparently didnít bother to have a legal status (even leaving the country and returning etc)?

For all findings of my research on the alleged hijackers please see:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...wtopic.php?2486
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Zaphod 36
Posted: Dec 11 2006, 08:06 AM


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Hi John Doe,

what do you think is the authentic Atta? The "Shuckum" or the "Baltimore" one?
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IronSnot
Posted: Dec 12 2006, 12:14 AM


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John Doe, Atta's not the only one with a double.

Mr 93 has one too.
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ChrisK
Posted: Dec 12 2006, 12:27 AM


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John Doe that last link isn't working. Is it correct?
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John Doe II
Posted: Dec 12 2006, 03:24 AM


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Hi Zaphod!

I have no idea which one is which.
I only know that reflecting about the idea of doubles in the particular case of Atta one has to refrain from thinking in simple categories as good/innocent guy and bad boy who lay the traces of evidence.
Who is who is opening the door to speculation and in my humble point of view loosing the advantage that we can prove that there have been doubles around.

Hi IronSnot!
Yes, indeed Atta isn't the only one. But certainly the one (as we know most about him) where we can best prove the double. Mr. Jarrah is also a top candidate (check out Paul Thompson's essay and my timeline on Jarrah).
But I'm convinced we should much more insist on what we can prove beyound a shadow of a doubt. And Atta is great for that!


Hi ChrisK,

sorry, you're right.
Here is the timeline on Atta:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...pic.php?2484.10

And here the forum with the timelines on all the 19:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...iewforum.php?23

(Read the summary of findings for a quick overview and if you wish to go in details check out the introduction to the different alleged hijackers).
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IronSnot
Posted: Dec 14 2006, 05:29 PM


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QUOTE (John Doe II @ Dec 12 2006, 08:24 AM)
Hi IronSnot!
But I'm convinced we should much more insist on what we can prove beyound a shadow of a doubt. And Atta is great for that!

So is Jarrah. New York and San Antonio though seem to be fairly quiet areas for investigation of the hijackers, and maybe this has to do with Hopsicker's efforts in Florida. Still undoubtedly there's good evidence of a second Jarrah. Possibly moreso than Atta even.
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Posted: Jan 5 2007, 07:55 PM


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Unless of course the eyewitness is wrong, which is very likely, in which case your whole bodydouble-scenario falls apart.

If he was drinking in a bar, where is the security camera footage for example? Eyewitness reports aren't very credible.
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Terrorcell
Posted: Jan 6 2007, 01:27 PM


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QUOTE (mainstreammedia @ Jan 6 2007, 12:55 AM)
Unless of course the eyewitness is wrong, which is very likely, in which case your whole bodydouble-scenario falls apart.

If he was drinking in a bar, where is the security camera footage for example? Eyewitness reports aren't very credible.

If 19 suicidal Arabs boarding airplanes on 9/11/1 intended to hijack them and crash them then where are the airport security videos showing each group at it's respected location?

OH i forgot, you Neo-Con Nationalists don't have to present that evidence, only those who oppose your agenda have to. :rolleyes:
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:lol:
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IronSnot
Posted: Jan 20 2007, 02:20 AM


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Got your Atta double yet, John Doe? I don't like boasting but.....

Still waiting for that email about Alghamdi from Team 8 btw. Happy to help out a fellow researcher.

B)
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Socal Guy
Posted: Apr 30 2007, 02:11 PM


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A body double????!!!!!! What??!!! This is some Arab guy not Sadam. You guys are totally wacked!

Ok smarty pants if Mohamed Atta is really alive, why doesnt he give an interview and say "The American Goverment is lying" He could put this to rest in one minute.

Get real.

Hang Ten
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QUOTE (IronSnot @ Dec 14 2006, 05:29 PM)

Still undoubtedly there's good evidence of a second Jarrah. Possibly moreso than Atta even.

agreed about jarrah... jarrah is one of the most fascinating hijackers. as is mentioned in paul thompsons timeline, there are two instances for sure where jarrah was in two places at once.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...ion/MM00196.jpg

look at this photo. the drivers license pic is dark and distorted, but am i the only one who sees no resemblance to any other photo of jarrah?

also, he just generally did not fit the profile, he had a steady gf etc. he went to flight school twice when he had already passed the first time, he rented two apartments in the same city at the same time, he was caught speeding two times in two different red mitsubishis... it goes on and on, its just so bizarre.
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joe911
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its not impossible, look at this photo of me and my best mate danny, nobody can tell us apart, even though we have differences, what is the probability of 2 people who look similar to eachother being mistaken for the other one?

me and danny
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TS45
Posted: Jul 29 2007, 07:48 PM


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QUOTE (Socal Guy @ Apr 30 2007, 02:11 PM)
A body double????!!!!!! What??!!! This is some Arab guy not Sadam. You guys are totally wacked!

Ok smarty pants if Mohamed Atta is really alive, why doesnt he give an interview and say "The American Goverment is lying" He could put this to rest in one minute.

Get real.

Hang Ten
Socal Guy

Atta is dead. Praise God.
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John Doe II
Posted: Aug 2 2007, 04:12 AM


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mainstreammedia:

You do realize that the article is NOT based on only one witness but at least THREE which have been interviewed by the FBI and the story was widely reported. Moreover there are many different occasions when Atta was witnessed in two different locations/ countries at the same time / different height / different behaviour / different appearance that even his landlord didn't recoginze his photo / different accent when talking English ets etc etc etc

So, sorry, the last two posts as well ignore completely to face the facts.
Maybe check out Atta's timeline on Team8+ and come back then?
All events indicating the double are summed up at the top of the timeline.
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Way to go JohnDoe II!!!

anyone who wants to belive in the 19 hijacker identity fairy tale should read team8plus.org research....
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JackD
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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=13817

The NSA headquarters are located in Laurel, MD at fort Meade.

Mohammed Atta was briefly staying in Laurel MD along with a few other of the AA77 alleged hijackers.

AN exhibit from the Moussauoi trial documents that Atta wired money from a Safeway to Dubai -- the safeway in question: 5 miles away from NSA Hq.

Similarly, other 'hijackers' rented a rooms in a boarding house in Vienna, VA, a few blocks away from a major CIA center.

In San Diego, two alleged "hijackers" who were on the CIA terror watchlist apparently were housed with a tested, trusted FBI asset.

alleged hijackers also listed addresses at US naval base (Pensacola) and attended Army foreign language training school in Monterey ,and jump school in Lackland, TX.

Why were various agencies of the US gov't, including NSA, CIA, FBI, and the DoD keeping these young, but somewhat incapable, muslim men so close to itself?

Think about it... and research the links of where 'alleged hijackers' lived, worked, traveled.

(i say 'alleged hijackers' only because neither the
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