Faking Of Damage., let's really consider it in detail.

How many second floors are there?

Only one.

After looking at the picture do you still believe the engine hit second floor?

Lets remember that this is a post-collapse shot... but I think that along with the fence and generator damage you can see where it went.

Or you are saying they faked engine damage on second floor and wing damage on first floor? That would be a huge awakening if you could put little circles on pictures and actually show me.

I don't believe an engine hit anywhere, but the damage people claim is from the right engine was on the second floor.

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in my humble opinion, the myopic focus on the events occuring external to the Pentagon (facade of E ring, lawn, lightpoles, etc) -- while curious and fascinating, ultimately missed the larger point.

it is less about "did or did not a 757 impact the Pentagon?" -- and more about "WHY was the Pentagon targeted on 9/11, WHERE or what parts of the Pentagon, and at what time or WHEN... by WHOM?"

solve therefore for
who
what
when
where
why

1) south-side impact (Plane only)

WHO
Even if you dismiss the Hani Hanjour hijack piloting assertiona made by Hamilton & Keane 9/11 Commission (which in my view is an entirely unsubstantiated fantasy, and a lie bordering on treason), substituting some kind of flight termination or remote control, this theory has numerous problems.
(WHO therefore is left as "???")


I would call 'south side flight path + plane impact' as "the official theory with Russell twist" (unless I misinterpret Russell's conclusions)

The pros of this theory are already heavily elaborated elsewhere.

WHEN
The problem with Plane Impact Alone is that it is insufficient to explain TIMING of damage, reported at 9:30 to 9:32 am both by CNN and by stopped clocks, and even by Al Gonzales himself (see Honegger "seven hours in september" PDF, google it, a similar chapter also published in Jim Marrs' new book)

Thus, the Pentagon was ALREADY on fire (at 9:32 at latest) and damaged by explosions several minutes BEFORE any plane showed up (and crashed, or flew over, or disappeared in a magic trick, your pick)


The second major problem is the insufficiency to explain PATTERN of damage.

WHERE
Damage, fire, and death were reported in D ring, C ring, and B ring. No one has
fully accounted for the curious pattern and location of damage inside Pentagon-- such as the three separate foci of heavy column damage areas (see Russ's site for discussion of 6 north column) -- the massive stripping of concrete from reinforced columns FARTHER from the impact site than less damaged columns NEARER, etc. (see the ASCE report, and PentagonResearch.com assessment of report and possible falsifications.)

....and then there's the B-ring deaths. There has been no linkage of a 757, whether AA77, or other, to the fire damage and death in the B ring. Go ahead, put the 757 "on trial" for all the murders in the Pentagon. Think you can convict for B ring deaths and fire? Tough case even for Rudy G.

Therefore, "south-side plane impact only" is rejected as insufficient on its own to complete explain Pentagon damage TIMING and PATTERN.

as for
WHY
i'll leave it to better minds. I think both Russell and CIT agree the pentagon was attacked to provide a CASUS BELLI (pretext for war) in the middle east.

however, as to why the particulars, the surgical execution and annihilation of Naval Command (minus Adm Vern Clark, natch, and others at suitland) -- Army personnel, and army accounting, you may speculate.

It's not about choosing how over why, or why over how. It's about both. It's really about the truth.

Yes, I can agree that awareness and inquiry into all are worthwhile.

My message overall is "don't get sucked into minutiae of your cherished plane vs. no plane issue" such that you ignore other, perhaps equally valuable parts of the story.

Sometimes, you have to "get sucked into minutia" to get to the truth.

color me "sucked" and "suckered" --

but i am moving on...

back to Russell's OP of thread -- consider the effort in a full Penta-Fake -- it would appear massive.

however, i have never been involved in such a massive con, and i neither know what it would take -- easy, hard, or somewhere in between.

i have however witnessed the set-up of 'high fidelity' drills, including plane crash drills.

for plane crash emergency response, the most hi-fidelity involves set-ups not terribly different from the Pentagon site. meaning, at airports, the drill involves settting up real aircraft parts on fire, various debris sites (perhaps in the drill, a disabled plane hits a bus, etc, a mas-cal drill) -- and whereas a set-up at the Pentagon would seem challenging to stage as a 'fake' -- it would not be very challenging as a drill scenario set-up. Such drill were in fact held at or near Pentagon just before 9/11.

Jack,

I too have participated in MCI drills.

1) How long did it take to set up?
2) How real was it?
3) How many people did it take?
4) Was there any public notification of the drills?
5) How many patients/actors were involved?
6) Did any of the drills actually result in the death of people?
7) etc. etc. etc.

Could it all have been carried out simultaneously in seconds in rush hour traffic during broad daylight in the metropolis of DC after NY right next to one of the most secure buildings in the country and would the public believe it was real?

I think we both know the answer.

I appreciate your honest comments and research. I am not pointing this out in any way to criticise your comments.

I am only saying this for those who would jump on it and say I heard a guy say all of this could be easily faked.

Russell

Hi Racer:

The “PLANE” Theory members make some of the most ridiculous claims these eyes have ever seen. We are NOT talking about your delusions of “the crap,” but 60 tons of high grade aluminum, two 6-ton ( http://home.swipnet.se/%7Ew-48037/l1011techsp.htm = 5809 Kg = 12806.652 pounds) engines on massive wing sections, fuselage, landing gear, seats, cargo and a massive tail section standing almost 50-feet above the tarmac on the runway. Your picture ( http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03905.JPEG ) shows nothing but firemen spraying water onto the Pentagon Facade. The idea that you want to use this picture as evidence for a crashed Boeing 757-200 Jetliner is hilarious. :0) Someone explain why Racer's picture cannot possibly be the aftermath of a Tomahawk Missile attack???

Nobody on this side of the debate believes for one second that any ‘charges’ were set at the Pentagon. The explosive charge was carried into the Pentagon via an Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile ( My thread >> http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14796 ), just like Donald Rumsfeld told Parade Magazine on 9/12.

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%2...-Flight-77.html

Head over to my thread and begin writing your rebuttals. GL, because you need it . . .

Please explain how a 125-feet wide 100-ton+ Jetliner going 500 miles per hour creates a tiny 20-feet diameter hole!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...ntfacadebig.jpg

Here is another view of the left side of the 20-feet diameter impact hole showing no signs of any crashed 100-ton Jetliner or anything else.

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Do these firemen look concerned about saving anyone from a crashed Jetliner? :0) Please stop embarrassing yourself . . . We have a perfectly good example of what a real Jetliner can do to a building here:

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There is NO Jetliner debris outside the Pentagon, which means you must explain how ALL 100-tons passed through the masonry wall to create this little entry hole:

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Go ahead and make our day. :0)

Really? Show us your picture of a real Jetliner crash anywhere near the Pentagon on 9/11. Good Luck.

Terral

Hi Russell and Avenger with Racer mentioned:

We agree. Russell is making some of the most wild and unsupportable claims imaginable that simply DO NOT match the Pentagon evidence.

Russell’s ‘very clear’ lingo for ‘engine impact’ has no credibility or place on this thread. His massive 100-ton Jetliner ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...ngGear757-i.jpg ) is supposedly going over 500 miles per hour into the Pentagon West Wedge Wall, but all we have is a tiny 20-feet diameter entry hole.

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The ‘500 mile per hour’ scenario allows no time for the massive 6-ton engine to alter course, before plunging deeply into the Pentagon facade. Racer and Russell are attempting to lead 911Truth readers astray with delusions about perceived damage from one of these massive engines, as if that is not even attached to the massive wing section. Where is the giant entry hole for the port-side 6-ton engine that should have impacted the Pentagon wall some fifty feet away on the other side of the 20-feet diameter entry hole? :0) Let’s not forget that 60 tons of high grade aluminum is supposedly crashing into the Pentagon and connecting the dots between these two massive 6-ton engines. :0)

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You can look at these pictures all day long and never find sufficient entry holes for any 125-feet wide and 155-feet long almost 50-feet tall 100-ton Jetliner. Even if you allow these guys to convince you otherwise, then where are the 60-tons of aluminum, massive engines and all the other components of Flight 77? Oh, they vaporized into thin air! :0) How convenient . . .

Bullony! Your pictures are very misleading:

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Pole spacing and the “12 Feet” dimension has nothing whatsoever to do with this case. Remember the cable spools littering the front of the West Wedge E-Ring wall:

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Raising your phantom 100-ton Jetliner up to miss these spools still gives you insufficient clearance ‘under’ the still-standing second story slab to fit any 50-feet tall Boeing 757-200 Jetliner:

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The fence in your picture could not have been hit by anything attached to any real Jetliner, because that would require the port-side wing to be elevated, which would put your starboard-side wing below ground level. Russell and Racer are working desperately to blow life into their “100-ton PLANE” thesis with bogus claims that simply do NOT even begin to match the real 911Truth Pentagon evidence.

Please stop acting foolish! Your thesis says 100-tons of Boeing 757-200 Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon wall going over 500 miles per hour. Now in the matter of a few feet, your approaching Jetliner is reduced to merely the ‘CORE’ of the engine. What happened to the rest of your 100-ton Jetliner? :0) There is NO damage to the Pentagon wall that anyone here can use as evidence for any 100-ton Jetliner crashing on 9/11 or any other day. These guys are still short just about 100-tons of ‘evidence.’ :0)

GL,

Terral
911Truth.org
AE911Truth.org

Hi Russell with Racer mentioned:

You have got to be kidding! There is nothing even remotely resembling real 100-ton Jetliner debris in either of your pictures.

Paper >> http://www.pentagonresearch.com/lc2/paper2.jpg

Paper1 >> http://www.pentagonresearch.com/lc2/paper1.jpg

Someone please offer explanations for why these two pictures cannot possibly be of the aftermath of a Tomahawk Missile attack?! My “not even a piece of paper” comment was about this picture taken of the 20-feet diameter entry hole:

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BTW, I have yet to see any coherent answer from Russell to my five questions (Sep 5 2007, 03:22 PM) that totally debunk his theory. Since Russell is obviously not willing to even acknowledge my valid points, and hides behind “two-word” replies, then this represents the perfect opportunity to examine the reasons for his reluctance:

Russell cannot respond to my question or the ‘clear’ evidence from these Pentagon pictures, because the facts show the West Wedge Wall very much intact after the original missile attack ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14796 ). BTW, my “Flight 77 Never Crashed Near The Pentagon” thread is sinking lower and lower down the Board without one reply from Russell or Racer. :0) Imagine that! Has anybody shown you a picture of Flight 77 crashed anywhere in the last six years? No! And nobody ever will, because nothing like that exists anywhere on this planet. 125-feet wide 100-ton Jetliners going 500 miles per hour DO NOT crash into masonry walls to create a tiny little 20-foot diameter entry hole! The ‘lack’ of credible and verifiable ‘evidence’ for a real 100-ton Jetliner crashing into the Pentagon is explained by realizing ‘all’ of this damage was done by a Tomahawk Missile and the building fire was allowed to burn out of control. Look again at my “no paper” ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/lawn0.jpg ) picture above to realize the firemen are rolling up their hoses and the one on the right side is apparently walking away with his head down. Why? Where are the rescue personnel coming to save the victims from the crashed Jetliner? :0) Oh, these firemen are not even concerned with the burning fire about to get out of control, which will create the delusion that ‘more’ damage was really done in this ‘inside job’ attack.

My distinguished debating opponent must run from the absolute 911Truth that a real Jetliner crashing into this masonry wall would leave two 11-feet diameter impact craters some 50 feet apart on either side of this single 20-feet diameter entry hole. That does not even begin to address the 125-foot wingspan of the massive Jetliner that must have vaporized into thin air, before even striking the Pentagon wall. :0) Please note that my questions are in no way complicated or loaded with tons of information to make this difficult at all. Mine are some of the same questions on the minds of other LC members in search of the 911Truth for this Pentagon case. These are very basic 9/11 Pentagon 101 questions that any “PLANE” theorists should be capable of addressing in a few minutes. I encourage Russell, Racer and the other “PLANE Hit The Pentagon” theorists to ask similar questions on my Pentagon Thread (link above). What you will receive is a direct answer that ‘does’ match ‘all’ the Pentagon evidence in this case. How can anyone write on this Pentagon topic without addressing the famous “Frame1” released photos?

The fact is that NO 100-ton Jetliner standing almost 50-feet tall from the tarmac to the top of the massive tail section can possibly fly just five feet off the ground AND (this is the important part) maintain three times the ‘diameter’ below the fuselage to the ground!!! Say that to yourself about five times and reexamine the Frame1 picture carefully. The nose of the flying object matches up perfectly with the top of the right-hand column AND the lens of the security camera you are looking through AND a point five feet above the horizon in the distance. Lean heavily upon these simple truths to realize the ‘diameter’ of this flying object cannot possibly be more than just under two feet. If the ‘nose’ of the object is just five feet off the ground AND the ‘clearance’ under it is 3 times greater than the diameter (look at the distance below the flying object to the ground), then the actual diameter of the flying object is one tenth the size of any 100-ton Jetliner.

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When you draw a straight line (your line of vision from the Frame1 picture) through all four points (Camera lens you are looking through, Top of the right-hand Column, the “Nose Of Missile” AND that point in the distance just five feet above the horizon), THEN the 911Truth becomes clear that we are looking at a flying object very much ‘smaller’ in diameter than a real 100-ton Jetliner. The 52’-6” dimension represents the center of the impact hole IF the flying object in the Frame1 picture has a “15 feet” diameter with three times that clearance ‘under’ the flying object. Russell cannot touch this question or even begin to offer any coherent answer, because his mind is racing through PLANEville without even considering ‘all’ of the 911Truth evidence.

Russell has insufficient ‘space’ to fit his almost 50-feet tall 100-ton Jetliner over the top of those cable spools AND under the still-intact second floor slab! That does not even address the fact that even the Pentagon wall components within that 7 feet ARE STILL STANDING. :0) This is why I included the fifth and final question showing the cable spools up close:

Note the fence on the right side of the picture, which was supposedly damaged by the starboard engine (heh) of the approaching Jetliner. Now look at the components parts of the masonry wall part of the Pentagon facade, very much on fire, but still standing. How does a massive Boeing 757-200 wing section, with the 6-ton Rolls Royce engine, plow through the fence at 500 miles per hour AND without creating any impact hole in this wall? The columns and window jambs are still standing, even though you can see the fire raging just inside the E-Ring outer wall. The very tall cable spool was tipped back in our direction by the impact, detonation and shockwave of the Tomahawk Missile that punched a hole in the outer wall to explode on the ‘inside’ of the Pentagon. That is why the debris you see was thrown ‘out’ of the Pentagon, instead of being dragged inside with a 100-ton Jetliner going 500 miles per hour. The ‘foundry-like’ temps appear directly over the cable spools adjacent to the 20-feet diameter entry hole where the Tomahawk Missile ( http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/tomahawk.mpeg ) actually detonated. The nose section of the missile careened forward to strike the D-Ring concrete slab here:

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68b.html (near the bottom)

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The missile took out 90 percent of the “Missing, broken, disconnected” columns in red in the initial explosion, just inside the E-Ring outer wall. The nose section ( http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-109.html#_SLCM last diagram at bottom ) was already traveling near the speed of sound when punching the hole in the E-Ring wall, but was propelled forward by the massive explosion from the warhead directly behind the nose. The disintegrating mass began gathering debris on a downward trajectory, which caused the tumbling mass to strike the D-Ring slab where you see the orange rectangle described as “Slab deflected upward.” The momentum of the accumulated mass skipped on the concrete slab like a stone across the water, until passing through both C-Ring walls to leave us this bit of evidence:

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Where is the picture of the “B-ring was decimated” ( http://www.pehi.eu/disinformation/911/911_...agon_quotes.htm ) evidence that must be present ‘behind’ the photographer taking this picture of the C-Ring exit hole? :0) Eyewitness testimony from this September 11, 2001 4:59 PM Washington Post report says,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro...p01/attack.html

More evidence of B-Ring damage is from “DefenseLINK News” ( http://web.archive.org/web/20050113125438/..._200109114.html ) and “Architectural Record” ( http://web.archive.org/web/20021201235425/...ws/pentagon.asp )quotes.

GL,

Terral
911Truth.org
AE911Truth.org

lol, I'm liking you already :)

You're like a polite Killtown hehe.

When you show me an enhanced Tomahawk that can knock down lightpoles, or anything even only remotely similar, just by flying 50 feet from it with its killer bow-pressure-whatever effect. I swear I'll listen to your nonsense and I'll actually worship it.

BTW, I'm not exactly easily offended nor a 'but.. think of the children!' kind of person but that was a fucking retarded thing to say for a number of reasons:

You can have fun with your obvious disinfo but make some more comments like that and I'm gonna get on your case.

edit: oh just noticed the PFT reference is gone from your signature, what happened? :)

Hi Racer with Russell mentioned:

I am a firm believer in “Attack the Theory” apart from “Attack the Theorist.” Even if I disagree with Russell’s and Racer’s PLANE Thesis, I will stand at your side and defend your right to present your views. You present yours and I will do the same and our third party readers can judge everyone involved. :0)

You are talking about the energy transferred from the engines of any flying object to the ‘bow shockwave’ created as it passes through the atmosphere. This ( http://www.efluids.com/efluids/gallery/gal...ckwave_page.jsp ) is a picture of a condensation shock created by the shockwave surrounding the aircraft. You can judge by the angle of the shockwave extending outwards that this phenomena can affect objects in the surrounding environment. The size and energy-transferring capabilities of bow shockwaves increase with speed and more importantly ‘elevation’ in relation to sea level. The largest shockwaves of all are created by flying objects flying supersonic speed very near the ground at sea level, which describes the Pentagon environment exactly. Vapor trails are created by the sudden change in pressure of air merely rolling over the wings at normal speeds AND by the bow shockwave extending far beyond the aircraft growing at lower altitudes and faster speeds, while shrinking with higher altitudes and slower speeds. If you examine the evidence from Frame2 of the famous Pentagon released frames . . .

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/e.../dodvideos.html )

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. . . then you will see the white vapor trail staring you right in the face. Compare the clear image of Frame1 to the blurry vapor trail image of the following frames. Then realize this flying object is approaching at just five feet off the ground. :0) What you cannot see is the massive bow shockwave extending out from the missile that is verified by the evidence of the five light poles you are talking about on this flight path:

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Hit your ‘refresh’ button to see the brand new image created especially for Racer. :0) The Tomahawk Missile approached from the North ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...3/017-large.jpg ) descending from 7000 feet to just 5 feet in about two and a half minutes. The missile then passed directly between these five light poles, before descending down to the 5-Feet elevation we see in the Frame1 picture ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../a1-Frame1a.jpg ) to punch a 20.9 inch diameter hole in the E-Ring wall. The missile then detonated to create the shockwave and cordite evidence verified by all the military witnesses ( http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttackWitnessesBlast.shtml ), which created the 20-Feet diameter hole in the outer West Wedge wall and took out 90 percent of the missing and broken columns. The nearly molten nose section was hurled forward to begin decelerating, cooling and gathering mass, before impacting the D-Ring slab and ricocheting upwards to create the 8-Feet (high and 12-Feet wide) diameter exit hole in the rear C-Ring wall. I have a DoD subcontractor contact who draws the maps for the sophisticated guidance systems verifying that these vital components must be updated allowing the missiles to fly very complicated routes to negotiate around radar and other obstacles. The general public has no idea of the capabilities of these Tomahawk Missiles, because all of that is kept secret with only minimal disinformation handed out to We The People. This side of the debate has WAY more information on these ‘related’ 911Truth topics than is being presented on any of these threads. The real 911Truth investigators here must learn to walk in baby steps first, before we can even think about diving into the deep end of the pool. :0)

Promises, promises. :0) Please ‘quote >>’ anything from any of my 911Truth posts and try to build a ‘disinformation’ case. Bring it! I dare you! There is no crashed Flight 77 in any of your pictures, because nobody on earth as even one. That is why you are looking at a low flying 2-Feet diameter flying object in the Official DoD frames! :0) This is why you are missing 100-Tons of Jetliner evidence. You have been mesmerized by the massive doses of Disinformation from the Bushie “Opinion Molding” Media Machine” into believing something that simply is NOT TRUE.

Before closing this post, please allow me say that my presence here is only due to the request of another AE911Truth.org member who also writes here. A third member of our group suggested otherwise, because of the adolescent and juvenile behavior on display by many of the members here. My view is that everybody is worthy of seeing the ‘911Truth,’ whether they are five or a hundred years old. In case you have not noticed, I take these 911Truth topics VERY seriously and after spending a considerable amount of time examining ‘all’ of the available facts. The reason many of you believe explosives were planted at the Pentagon (not) is because we are really and truly looking at the images of the aftermath of a Tomahawk Missile attack!!! Those bad boys are designed to go BOOM you know. :0) What many do not know is the Pentagon is protected by “five extremely sophisticated anti-missile batteries” ( http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm ) located on each perimeter side of the Pentagon. Since the Twin Towers were attacked first with the planes landed and airports closed for business, you should realize that the Pentagon anti-missile defense system was turned off from the ‘inside’ for anything to actually strike the Pentagon. :0)

‘All’ of the evidence points to 9/11 being an “Inside Job,” which includes this “Self-inflicted Wound” carried out by the Pentagon itself. That is why Wedge One was chosen for the missile strike in the first place, because this side was empty and had the only water sprinkler system of all the five Wedges. And that explains why the missile flew right over the White House and spun around on such a tight course to strike the Pentagon from the West to hit the side ‘opposite’ of Donald Rumsfeld’s office. :0) If our missile had struck any of the other Wedges head on, then the entire Pentagon would have burned down ‘except’ Wedge One. This area of the Pentagon was beefed up, to protect the ‘rest of the Pentagon’ from the fire that the DoD had been planning since LONG before 9/11.

Many of you do not realize that our own government was conducting five military and non-military anti-terrorist exercises ON 9/11 that included Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Giuliani, the Joint-chiefs, NORAD, the CIA, FBI, FEMA and many of their subordinate agencies. Michael Ruppert ( http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/...ripod_fema.html ) is one of the best sources for information in this area. His book “Crossing The Rubicon” ( http://www.mindprod.com/politics/bush911rubicon.html ) gives Dick Cheney far too much credit for being the mastermind behind everything IMHO. :0) Cheney is a ‘yes-man’ like Senor Bushie working for the ‘shadow government,’ but with slightly more intelligence . . .

GL,

Terral
911Truth.org
AE911Truth.org

It totally went over your head. huh?

Your comment about the firemen was completely inappropriate.

And maybe my language is juvenile (it is :) ) but I know a thing or two about aerodynamics... your shockwave thing is hilarious. (not that it doesnt exist but it doesnt do what you think it does) If you remember, I said 'show me', not 'tell me'...

You're going to find it hard to have someone read through all your massive posts and put some sense into your head, its pretty clear such an endeavour would be a gigantic waste of time.

Jack,

I too have participated in MCI drills.

1) How long did it take to set up?
2) How real was it?
3) How many people did it take?
4) Was there any public notification of the drills?
5) How many patients/actors were involved?
6) Did any of the drills actually result in the death of people?
7) etc. etc. etc.

Could it all have been carried out simultaneously in seconds in rush hour traffic during broad daylight in the metropolis of DC after NY right next to one of the most secure buildings in the country and would the public believe it was real?

9/11 was a day in which a number of the 15+ military drills (including plane-into-building scenarios, including live-fly off-course hijacked commercial airliner intercepts, etc) were planned and conducted.

certain components of these drills may have been 'flipped live' as per the 7/7/05 subway bombing drills in London, which appeared to have been a drill that "went live" --

ditto the 1993 WTC bomb "sting" that "went live" ...

the Mass casaulty incident drills practiced by emergency rescue that i have read about, or been close to, made attempts to be as 'high fidelity' as possible, down to real fire and smoke ( controlled 'smoke pots') and carefully simulated dead and severely injured 'victims' -- many of these drills are designed to test inter-operability of comm systems, different response units, police, fire, port fire, radio frequency, etc.

however, all of these drills involved 1) alerting the public 2) none actually caused the death of any participants 3) all involved elaborate set-ups of materiel, people, drill-managers, actors, and actual responders 4) difficult to pull off in plain sight, unless all camera footage was sequestered. 5) involved 20-200 participants, monitors, multiple C-3 sites, etc

i'll add this -- to perform a mas-cal drill on the exact location where the President was to arrive on Marine One later in the day -- at helipad -- would strike me as very odd timing, and poorly planned (unless you were trying to blow up the President's helicopter....)

if there were any components of a mas-cal drill happening at or around Pentagon on 9/11, it was certainly an unorthodox exercise, at the least. I would agree that if any aspect of the events of 9/11 at the Pentagon were drawn from a drill, it was not a published or public or normal drill, any part of it visible to us was "flipped live"

The idea comes to mind based on the statements of Matthew Rosenberg, who was studying the mascal plan that morning in the Pentagon, and the non-random collection of red-painted silver fuselage parts handled by FBI and others seen in photos by Ingersoll, etc.

you mean like this?

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you mean like this?

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Digest,

Where did you get that photo? Is that the largest version you have?

Is that in the A/E Drive?

Are there more?

Thanks,
Russell

you mean like this?

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Only another 999.9 tons to go!! :D
Is this one of the stashes where they had the pieces stored beforehand for use on 9-11? :D
Is that red bucket from the 757 also? :D
Sure doesn't look like any official aircraft crash investigators have placed their cataloging marks or
identified any of these pieces of Flight 77 'evidence' in any way does it?
This is surely not reminiscent of a normal crash scene collection area is it? :D

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you mean like this?

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Digest,

Where did you get that photo? Is that the largest version you have?

Is that in the A/E Drive?

Are there more?

Thanks,
Russell

i do not have a bigger version - the photo was taken by the driver of the skid-steer next to the parts - I can see if i can get a bigger version.