Why Does The Citgo Video, contradict the North side claim?

I'm not asking you for their home numbers. I'm asking you for their direct numbers at work.

Alternatively, an email address will do and I can contact them by email and ask them directly for their direct contact numbers.

It is obvious that you missed the point if you cannot see the validity of it. You are being utterly disingenuous.

Now, send me a PM with their direct contact numbers rather than just a generic number, Aldo. I have no problem using my real name when I am talking to real people on the telephone or in person. If they give me permission to record the conversation, I will do so. I would not record them without their consent.

but when you're talking to people on the internet using their real name you do?

It is obvious that you missed the point if you cannot see the validity of it. You are being utterly disingenuous.

Now, send me a PM with their direct contact numbers rather than just a generic number, Aldo. I have no problem using my real name when I am talking to real people on the telephone or in person. If they give me permission to record the conversation, I will do so. I would not record them without their consent.

but when you're talking to people on the internet using their real name you do?

Said by the guy called Terrorcell.

Shut up. My name is well known and you know that. You are being purposely deceitful which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. BTW, I missed your name, what did you say it was again?

Shut up. My name is well known and you know that. You are being purposely deceitful which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. BTW, I missed your name, what did you say it was again?

Shut up? Really original. Maybe your name is well known by some but unfortunately when I look to the left of your posts i see Terrorcell...

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Whay are you quoting yourself?

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clearly you are solely here for distraction and disruption.

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Damn...you and Craig must be drinking the same koolaid...hope it isn't purple :)

No. I do not use my real name when posting on internet forums. There are too many lunatics on the internet who are all too willing to engage in identity theft, harassment, impersonation, etc.

When someone is "talking on the internet" by posting on an internet forum, they are not only talking to the immediate poster that they are responding to, but also to everyone else who reads the forum.

And, by the way, the only name I know you by is "Terrorcell". I neither want nor need to know your real name.

Repeating for Aldo since he seems to have missed it:

Come on, Aldo. PM me with the contact info and I will contact them and ask all of the questions that you have suggested. I will record it all, with their consent (but since you claim that they are fully behind you, I can't imagine why they would object).

This is a golden opportunity for you to have everything you have posted here corroborated. What are you waiting for?

Come on, Aldo. PM me with the contact info and I will contact them and ask all of the questions that you have suggested. I will record it all, with their consent (but since you claim that they are fully behind you, I can't imagine why they would object).

This is a golden opportunity for you to have everything you have posted here corroborated. What are you waiting for?

I did you the favor and gave it to you.

Call them. Don't be shy.

No, you didn't. I've checked my PM box, and nada from you.

What are you so afraid of?

No, you didn't. I've checked my PM box, and nada from you.

What are you so afraid of?

You have recieved the phone numbers.

You're such the investigator that you can't even use google.

Nice.

I’ve hesitated to become involved in this silliness, but after the wacko’s from CIT (Craig and Aldo) have seen fit to use one of my images in their “debate” to assert “This in essence proves that the data was manipulated to remove these critical views”, I have decided enough is enough.

Here is the post that covers it in detail. What they do not tell you is that the subject of that post was to demonstrate that the video has NOT been electronically manipulated to replace the camera. Anyone with any understanding of the old multiplexer systems (such as the one in use at the Citgo), knows that there is a buffer system at work that creates frame delays in each of the recorded images (from each of the respective cameras). Once the image has left the buffer, it is no longer available for electronic manipulation. Any CGI or other electronic efforts at manipulation would leave certain telltale signs of tampering which simply are NOT evident in this release.

It is indeed true that there are exterior cameras which for some reason were off-line on 9/11. Yet they were physically taken off-line at the station prior to the attack. That is certainly suspicious enough in itself.

Further, the release of this video and the timing of it had absolutely nothing to do with Craig or Aldo and their delusions of grandeur. It was released under a court order as the result of legal action by Scott Bingham and Judicial Watch. It was part of a series of releases (including the Doubletree Hotel footage) and other videos which are pending release.

There are clear issues with the accounts of all three of the Citgo witnesses. Yet that is the nature of all eyewitness testimony.

Citgo Witnesses
SGT Brooks
Robert Turcios

All three are of course government employees and Craig has already said that we can’t trust anything that comes from government witnesses or employees.

They are doing great work, but they also are selective in which witnesses they see as "credible" and those they do not. Edward Paik is a prime example. He as well as a VDOT employee across the street had exactly the same experience. For a fraction of a second, each state that a low altitude plane traveling at high speed flew over their heads. Both reacted normally and ducked. During that fraction of a second, Paik sees all kinds of flight path details which sound great, but they don't like those of the VDOT witness and she is deemed not "credible". I would be so bold as to say neither saw much since they were too busy ducking for cover!

I would suggest that Craig and Aldo seek professional help for these delusions of grandeur they seem to be having repeated fits of.

I thought it was the other way around.

So what you are really saying is that CIT should've said, these 'views' never existed on 911?

Therefore the Citgo Video proves nothing other then where the Sgt was standing with his cruiser when a plane passed by at supposedly 'light pole' level?

No, you didn't. I've checked my PM box, and nada from you.

What are you so afraid of?

You have recieved the phone numbers.

You're such the investigator that you can't even use google.

Nice.

So you gave her the phone numbers and now she's no longer talking about any of this?

Where is your source for this John?

This is NOT what the manager told Russell Pickering.

The cameras were there on 9/11 John and we have first-hand direct confirmation from the manager of this.

Prove they were physically taken off-line prior to the attack.

Is your source more reliable than Barbara?

What's with the personal attacks and name calling all of the sudden?

After all your prior praise you have all the sudden decided to go ballistic on us in defense of this dubious data.

Everyone knows about Bingham's FOIA requests.

How come there was advanced notice and media attention surrounding the doubletree AND the Pentagon security video release yet the citgo station release was done quietly and by complete surprise? Why haven't they released ALL the tapes because of his FOIA requests and why did they choose to release the citgo video at that time?

HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY ASSERT THAT THE PERPETRATORS DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO MANIPULATE THIS HORRIBLE QUALITY VIDEO WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY CLAIMING THEY ALTERED THE FDR?

Because you have the supposed "original" VHS?

You have NOT demonstrated or shown ANY evidence whatsoever that those views were offline yet you assert this with complete authority and confidence.

Robert Turcios is NOT government employee because he is hired by the Navy Exchange liar. He is a civilian.

As is Edward Paik and we know for a FACT that he had a MUCH better view of the plane approaching and the flight path in general than Madlene Zackem whose view was completely blocked by trees. See proof in
this thread.


What is your point about Lagasse and Brooks being government employees?

Are you suggesting they are "in on it" and that they lied about the north side as disinfo?

Legitimate witnesses who can prove they were there most certainly DO have more credibility than government data that was controlled and supplied by the perps.

You and your dubious unsupported claims and mixed messages are a joke and now you come all balls out on an attack.

You have REPEATEDLY said you believe the north side claim yet you act like you haven't a clue about the implications.

Your behavior is beyond irrational and suspicious.

Apparently we are hitting too close to home for you on some real important points.

You just confirmed what I thought you were when you first came on to the scene, "John Farmer".

Was this all in the script "John"? Were we supposed to latch onto you and "work"? Your "altering of the south side approach"-so then you can turn on us? But we didn't bite did we? We didn't team up with you huh?

You are just another layer of disinfo, "John". Another shill here to muddy the waters and offer "expert" opinion, call us names and make us out to be the bad guys.

You come out of nowhere RIGHT AFTER we start touting Robert and the north side witnesses with your site and your "work" that seemingly on the surface, compliments ours. But in reality, it is just so you can confuse people with "two planes" and something being on the "south side flight path" seen in the surveillance video..and to place Robert not at the pump he was at and was removed from, but at another pump ONLY YOU claim to be able to see him at in the grainy surveillance footage. Your latest comments to Dylan "gives incidental evidence of both the northern and southern flight paths. Neither is conclusive, but the case can be made for either." gave away your whole game.

So wait, you're a cop, detective, space engineer, and a CCTV expert? You sound like a Karl Schwarz con man to me.

You're just another shill here casting doubt, confusion, while you simultaneously explode like a suicide bomber in infighting with us. "John Farmer" is on kamikaze mode, ladies and gents.

I have never even said one word to you since the one e-mail I sent to you way back when. Now you come out of left field with this shit about us being "wackos" and having "delusions of granduer". We must be hitting nerve, if you have to reveal yourself this way.


Lord I am getting good at this...I saw you coming from a mile away.