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|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 5 2007, 08:01 AM|
| Hi fellows, I guess with the strings of attention lately and wannabe researchers just dying to get me in the frucus to make a name for themselves, the latest is Nica trying its hand on attacking me.
I learned from his research that I was an "agent" and handled by the same government I am attacking. The paper is so ridiculous that even goes to the Chroma Key bullshit of Johaneman being also superimposed on the news.
then you get your incitators around claiming that I should not attack their theories after they attack my experience. Notice how idiotic his paper and how he gets everything wrong except about my media contacts. He even got the wrong Salvatore Giambanco!!!!
"Good news for all of you there. I have 3 Giambanco interviews that will be included in the new DVD and also will be digitized for you tube"
This no-planers are getting really on my bad side and nope, again you are wrong Nica, I am far from Jesus like.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 5 2007, 08:34 AM|
| Stand tall William. We got your back, sir!
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 5 2007, 08:38 AM|
|Posted by: chucksheen Jun 5 2007, 12:13 PM|
There are so many truly disgusting, evil, occultish criminals out there and they choose to focus on this? Seems like counter intelligence and counter intuitive to me. What a shame. Who is next to be attacked and targeted by the truth movement? Shure? Sibel Edmonds? Maybe there should be a face to face meeting of everyone involved to squash this?
|Posted by: 911wasaninsidejob Jun 5 2007, 12:14 PM|
|Don't worry man, most people don't take him seriously, and MANY people take you seriously. You're a great man and they are nothing compared to you man, you're a hero. Keep on and don't worry about the haters...|
|Posted by: SkepticOverlord Jun 5 2007, 12:36 PM|
There appears to be a sudden "push" in no-plane "TV Fakery" theories which trace their origins back to Nico Haupt. Over the past 3-4 days, we've been hit with some highly passionate posts promoting these theories:
-- this one seems to have been destroyed here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread285360/pg4#pid3241709
I must confess to not having paid much attention to Nico after the NY911 Urantia debacle. But these "media fakery" topics seem so easily destroyed by our members, I'm wondering what is behind this sudden rise in promoting them.
Have you people here had any speculative discussions on the motives for these theories?
|Posted by: Waxem Jun 5 2007, 12:47 PM|
| absolutely terrible what they have done to you william, to have gone through what happened to you, to have seen death and destruction at every turn as you did that day, im appalled at them.
maybe they would understand if it was them it was happening to, discusting vile and feable cretins.
i wonder mate would they have exchanged places? no they would run a mile and they know it!
|Posted by: truthisgood Jun 5 2007, 02:15 PM|
I feel the same way. Thank you William for what you are doing to spread the truth!
|Posted by: Regnibrah Jun 5 2007, 02:23 PM|
| Pardon my skepticism, but are we absolutely sure this is the William Rodriguez; and how do we know?
Pardon the challenge, William, but I'm sure you understand we can never be too cautious.
|Posted by: ross11988 Jun 5 2007, 02:28 PM|
he has provided more then enough clips and personal stories on this forum, im pretty sure thats its him
|Posted by: Regnibrah Jun 5 2007, 02:32 PM|
Okies. As long as at least one person is sure of it. With the multiple infiltrations of fake personalities this website has endured, I'm sure you know how important it is to confirm the identity of such an important character.
|Posted by: IVXX Jun 5 2007, 02:34 PM|
It is indeed the real William.
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 5 2007, 03:17 PM|
I see you are man enough to challenge Nico's lunacy. Yet you cower and will make no response to Mark Robert's paper on you. Why is that? What are you afraid of?
|Posted by: look-up Jun 5 2007, 03:19 PM|
| I recall a response. Did you cower behind your JREF forum and forget to check ours?
May I remind you this is NOT A GAME!?!!?!?
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 5 2007, 03:22 PM|
I would love to read Mr. Rodriguez's response to Mr. Roberts paper. I'm curious to see what pertinent information Mr. Roberts got wrong, if any. Would you be so kind as to provide a link please?
|Posted by: IVXX Jun 5 2007, 03:43 PM|
So email William directly and ask him.
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 5 2007, 03:48 PM|
Do you have Mr. Rodriguez's E-Mail?
I'm making the assumption that Mr. Rodriguez responds to Nico's accusations in less than 24 hours. Yet 3 weeks after Mr. Roberts made his accusations, Mr Rodriguez remains eerily silent. Am I left to believe that Mr. Roberts was 100% right in his assessment of Mr. Rodriguez. By Mr Rodriguez's actions, and lack thereof, one must assume Mr. Roberts work was accurate.
I find Mr. Rodriguez's cowardly behavior on this matter quite frustrating. If he's ever going to be taken seriously he must answer the tough questions and answer the criticisms.
|Posted by: Revolutionary91 Jun 5 2007, 03:51 PM|
|Man what have people come to?|
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 5 2007, 03:55 PM|
Don't you find it odd Mr. Rodriguez IMMEDITAELY responds to Haupts attacks, while sterring clear of Roberts attacks? I just find it odd. That's all. And a tad cowardly.
Maybe Mr. Rodriguez will set the record staright for us today. But somehow I doubt it.
|Posted by: stopsnitchin Jun 5 2007, 04:00 PM|
wow... its obvious that you are here to cause trouble, and you agree with roberts...
Maybe William is responding because Nico's theories are widespread, and Mark Roberts is just a tourguide who is only known in these forums, and on JREF and probably as "That Creepy Guy" who no one want tours from...
|Posted by: IVXX Jun 5 2007, 04:11 PM|
Go to http://william911.com and you'll find direct contact info for him. Email him for a response before you assume anything. You call William cowardly yet you make accusations behind an anonymous screen name.
|Posted by: stopsnitchin Jun 5 2007, 04:20 PM|
| I'm leaving this respons here incase william reads through the thread,
you should just ignore people who claim everyone is an agent, those are that people that I'm suspicious of.
You saved numerous lives on 9/11, Nicos fame is that he out schwasticas in a church taht had a NY9/11 Truth meeting. And Mark Roberts is a tour guide. Just ignore them and keep doing what your doing...
BTW, that Paris hilton video was so crazy it was sorta funny in a way...
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 09:16 AM|
|Is Will Rodriguez a "magician"?|
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 09:32 AM|
| Wow Will, if any of this checks out, it might be a good idea if we keep you out of the inner circle until we figure some things out about you.
On Governor Cuomo: For those who haven't researched this guy, Cuomo ran HUD when it was being used by the CIA to launder profits from CIA-run crack-houses in South Los Angeles. During this time HUD laundered billions used to fund illegal proxy wars around the world and to futher the intelligence sect-run drug trade, which put tons upon tons of crack cocaine on inner-city streets and guns into the hands of kids.
I know it's important to rally around our whistle blowers, but this guy is like the BYU physicist who used to run exotic weaponry development programs for Los Alamos Nat. Labs who wants everyone to believe it was thermite that brought down the WTC. It's good to have them aboard. But keep them at arm's length until we are certain about their background and intentions.
|Posted by: bart Jun 6 2007, 10:05 AM|
|Good job William! Keep up the good work!|
|Posted by: look-up Jun 6 2007, 10:07 AM|
| I am certain about William Rodriguez's and Steven Jones' intentions. It's unfair to associate them with potential disinfo unless you have more than just their previous affiliations to back it up.
Ever heard of a change of heart?
|Posted by: j911ob Jun 6 2007, 10:33 AM|
| For everyones convenience I will list the disinfo people:
1) Everybody on 911researchers.com
2) David Shayler
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 10:34 AM|
Fine, but let that be the standard for everyone, including Haupt.
If Haupt and Rodriguez wanna go head to head and take their disciples with them into the fray, then maybe both are agents, here to divide the movement, to explode it from within.
And goddamnit it's important to know if Rodriguez was a magician, if he worked for this mind-war, mind control dude and if he's on the inside of Cuomo's circle. That's important to know.
Lookup, I'd recommend you not affiliate yourself with any one particular TM figurehead. We're not pulling for baseball teams here. A brief look at the handling and neutralization of the Black Panther Party and the American Indian Movement shows that the FBI infiltrated both movements to their top operational tiers and in many cases the majority of the leaders of those organizations were either spooks or had been compromised. That's fact.
Now I appreciate what Will's done. But at the same time, if there is any truth to what Haupt says then maybe it's time we reconsider the status we are giving him in this movement.
And one more thing, it's bullshit to call someone disinfo because they are exploring ideas that scare you or you don't agree with. NPT/NBBT/CGI, even if totally false, encourage people to explore important lines of thought into exotic weaponry and technology and the secret programs run by the gov't that create and further them. That's important. That's vital. These ideas must be explored if we are to be enabled with the information we need to build a better world. People shutting down certain lines of inquiry need to think it through; are we going after people for committing certain "thought crimes?" Are we watering down 911T so the fat lazy middle of America can get on board? I'm not so sure we want or need them on board. They've never accomplished a damn thing and we know for a fact that it is that exact sect of the population that is a huge part of the problem!
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 10:36 AM|
That's new to me. Care to share your reasoning?
|Posted by: j911ob Jun 6 2007, 10:39 AM|
Very simple. He worked for MI5 and he went on national radio in britain saying the planes were cartoons.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 10:44 AM|
| So what? I don't get it. He's entitled to his opinion, isn't he? I mean footage is like Rosarch's ink blots; it's been effectively proven that everybody sees something different in it.
If you don't trust him that's your perogative and you are definitely entitled to it and I respect that. Don't elect him to office; don't put him in charge.
But to call him an agent and a disinfo agent because you don't agree with what he said is bullshit and I think you might need to reflect on why you are here and what the TM can and should accomplish.
You guys, you "who-is-the-mole" alarmists are playing into their hands. You're doing what they do, what the people you want to see stripped from power do. You are persecuting folks for thought crime. And you are overlooking very important information so you can further ideas that you are grasping that aren't necessarily 100 percent bulletproof.
|Posted by: j911ob Jun 6 2007, 10:53 AM|
| And what exactly will the truth movement achieve when well known people can go on national media and say the planes that hit the world trade centre are cartoons?
You do know its getting worse now dont you? People like fetzer are saying that the footage of the buildings was fake. I have had enough of this crap. They can say what they like in private but when they try to represent me with that crap then its out of order.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 6 2007, 11:12 AM|
| Well William is a hero by his acts on 9/11 alone. That does it for me.
I haven't affiliated myself with anyone. We are a part of a political reformation, to say the least. It is natural for different opposing ideas to emerge in the process. The opposing views don't need to assume the other is disinfo or compromised in any way, necessarily. But of course disinfo is real and movements throughout history have been infiltrated.
This one probably is infiltrated in one way or another. But accusing everyone is playing right into their hands.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 11:16 AM|
This isn't about you and they don't represent you; nor do they represent the movement of the truth.
The truth stands on it's own, people. It doesn't need a representative. It doesn't need a spokesperson.
Further, the extent to which a society is democratic is the extent to which its marketplace of ideas is unregulated. By trying to marginalize a person's comments you are in effect limiting the scope of the marketplace of ideas.
There is something very basic you all are missing here. For a person to believe 911 was an inside job they must first believe that the government is capable of such a thing. This is the gateway, that belief.
If a person believes that the government cannot and will not do such a thing, then they will never, and I mean never until their dying day, join the Truth Movement. You can show them pictures of skyscrapers being blown to kingdom come, pictures of the incredibly small hole in the side of the Pentagon, pictures of NORAD folk engaged in hijacking exercises, and they will never believe you.
Now once you cross that threshold, then it is a whole new ballgame. Then you are open to certain ideas, one of which states that no planes, or no big Boeings were used on 911.
Now on this note I will say that to this day, after a couple of years in the TM, I have not once, not ever and don't ever expect a person to say, "I cannot embrace 911T because of what Morgan Reynolds is saying." Never have I heard a person say, "You know I might actually support the TM if it weren't for the no-planers." Never has anyone ever said that, as far as I can tell.
Truthers usually suit up in one camp or another, yes. But as far as I can tell, once you are on board, there is no going back. And to get on board you have to first be open to certain things. If you are closed to those things, if you are closed to the idea that the gov't is capable of bombing it's own people and blaming its enemies, then you will not ever embrace 911T.
And we don't want you. If you think the gov't is your buddy, here to help, here to serve the people, then you are so far gone anyway that we can't help you; we have nothing for you.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 11:24 AM|
Right. So playing "who-is-the-mole" is a waste of time. I say presume that if the person is powerful within the movement, then they're a mole! There. That's all you need to know. Now does that mean we have to close camp. Not at all. Because a movement is much more than it's leaders. Leaders can be bought, sold, compromised, neutralized, killed. Ideas are bulletproof.
This thread is a great example. In his article, Haupt puts forward ideas for discussion. Is Rodriguez a magician? Did he work with a psy/mind war-op? Is he in Cuomo's inner circle?
These ideas are pertinent for a variety of reasons, especially now that Rosie's been destroyed and it is questionable about whether or not Chuck's to narrate LCFC. But have they been addressed?
No. Instead we're divided again into plane-huggers vs. the NPT-loonies. In fact that was the point of the thread. Haupt is a NPT-loonie and agent, Rodriguez says. Everyone jumps on board to save their hero, Rodriguez and nobody reads about how he probably is on the rapid-dial list of a CIA drug money-launderer.
Come on, guys. We aren't pulling for ball teams. This isn't a horse race, Haupt vs. Rodriguez. But if you let them get their way it will become a horse race. It will become a fight, not amongst our patsy leaders, but amongst us, the real truthers, the real Americans who want truth and justice. We'll be divided so we can be ruled.
|Posted by: NickJ1234 Jun 6 2007, 11:56 AM|
| I always thought of willie as a profound man, a person with courage, and a huge ally in the movement. And still do. But id be lieing if i said I didnt find it suspicious that Will was in some way connected to James Randi. that forum is probably considered the biggest infultrator to one of the most prominent 9/11 truth forums on the net. I just cant wrap my head around why a man of his status and backround could possibly be in any form of past association with a cult ment to discredit us.
And is it true that Will was in Cuomo's inner circle? if so, given my views on how vital it is to expose the war on drugs
i will have my doubts. hate to say this, but i think it would be a good idea if we continue to question Wills status in this movement until we figure out what the hell is really going on. I am NOT jumping to conclusions, attempting to discredit in anyway. but we would be fools not to atleast look into this further.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 6 2007, 02:05 PM|
| I see you have been busy while I was away.
1: I did work for the Executive Chamber as a janitor for 10 years while Cuomo was the Governor. I got the job in 1982 after I did a magic show to welcome him at the new offices on the 57floor, South Tower. I say on my video that god prepares you on strange ways because while working there, I learned how to be like a polititian. I will st up the Press Conferences with my co-worker Richard and also attend to meetings to clean up and tend to the bagels and coffee. Cuomo liked me as a person and I have access to the whole office. No surprise here, that is how I was able to help my community afterwards.
2: I do not represent the 9/11 Truth Movement. I am not the leader and I was not aware there were any. I am the President of the Hispanic Victmins Group, on the board of directors of the 9/11 United Services Group and many other organizations. I do not speak for anybody out there except the victims, the survivors and those affected by the tragedy. I tell my story and pinpoint many of the failures on the investigation. I do not need or want followers. I want people who help and do the right thing for those affected.
3. I met Randi in 1976, in a Magician Convention and at that time I had a TV show for children's in Puerto Rico. I interviewd him for that. After that I wrote at the age of 17, a TV Show called, Carlos Busquets y su Mundo- again in Puerto Rico, dealing with phenomena. I did 2 specials about the psychic Surgery healers in the Phillipines. Trained by Randi on how to perform it. I still have the videos. I helped Randi on a tour around Europe and it was well documented on his book "Flim Flam- The truth about Parapsycholy and other Dellusions", after that , I lost contact for several years and then again connected with him to investigate a Tv evangelist named WV Grant in Brooklyn, also this is documented in his book " The Faith Healers". After that, lost contact for almost 8 years, after 9/11. He did'nt remember that I worked there and felt very bad about it. We never talked about the events and this was always phone comunication. We saw each other after more than 13 years I believe, when the death of Johnny Carson- In NYC for 10 minutes because he was doing an appeareance on Access Hollywood. Again, we never talked about the events or my experience. When he found out I was going to Venezuela from the news, he called to advise me not to go. I went any way.
I have offered him a pow-wow in the future just to talk about this and he agreed.
His JREF forum, is not controlled by him and as a courtesy, they put a disclaimer were they states that the Randi foundation do not endorse any of the forum vies and do not want anybody to make claims that they represent the Randi foundation. Go over there and read it.
3. I have appeared on many events with people that have included the no-planes bullshit. It is their beliefs, but once I find out, I disassociate from them. Research that and you will find it.
4. I am in the No-fly list, I have been investigated, I have been vilified from BOTH sides and at the end, this is my mission, movement or not, to find out what really happened. By default I have done more to bring out answers than many of my detractors COMBINED. Many fail to even approach my work in the Hispanic community, there is were I find my many successes in helping. Those issues are never presented.
5. I recieved an average of 7,000 emails a day. I cannot answer all of them but I try. Some of them do not even deserve an answer because they are so redundant, and they lack the efoorts to search for the answers themselves.
But others are so misinfo, that I take my time to address them as much as possible.
6. Question people? Heck I do that all the time, but with valid research and with a direct contact. Not with attacks first and speculations.
7. Why I do not answer Mark Roberts? because it is a compendium of personal speculations on his part and an effort destroy my efforts. I received more support after his piece, and engagements from all over. As a matter of fact, we are putting many of his things on a new video. In a way he made the work easier because we can adress them directly on my presentations. I just booked the WHOLE summer in EUROPE and I am leaving this Friday. If I spent my time answering every attacker, it will stop me from doing the amount of work I do out there and the outreach. You remember in this forum the efforts from a looser with a 2 cents TV show to engage me one way or the other. I do not need anybody making a name for themselves with me. I do that on my own.
8. Many people get uneasy about my approach and my website and accuse me of trying to exploit my status. All I need to say is that I use the same techniques of all the polititians out there. Fire with fire. I learned from them and just go and type any political figure, go to their website and that is exactly what you wil find.
9. Many accused me of exploting 9/11. I am 9/11! Those idiots have not researched that I was in fact homeless, after helping so many victims. I survive on donations and tthe sale of the dvd on my presentations. Barely making a living.
Tell that to Giuliani who's firm and him made over 100 million dollars.
Hope this answers some of the questions.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 02:21 PM|
| It definitely goes a long way towards getting more information out there on some of the subjects Haupt brings up. And it is much appreciated.
Now dig this. Haupt also asserts:
Could you address these statements?
|Posted by: NK-44 Jun 6 2007, 02:29 PM|
yes that's very true. how many people were rescued by Giuliani?
instead, the decisions he made leading to 9/11 (radios) and on that day (confusing rescue efforts) prevented people from beeing rescued.
and though he is responsible for the death of a number of people, he not only made millions out of their deaths, but still has the audacity to exploit 9/11 (and his complete failure) for his presidental campaign.
why doesn't some jrfer make a paper about Giuliani? i know why, they never play fair.
btw, welcome to this forum, Willie.
|Posted by: Citizen Pawn Jun 6 2007, 02:52 PM|
| 1) The 911 Truth Movement has been compromised
2) Be careful of who you accuse of being a spy, mole, disinfo agent, shill.
3) The 911 Truth Movement has been compromised.
4) If you underestimate your opponents, you have failed the most basic law of warfare.
5) The very people you call "shills" might be the very people that are working hard to save your ass, the fact that you disagree with them or think all of their views are without merit, WONT STOP THAT.
6) Truth is not a destination, it's a path.
7) The 911 Truth Movement has been compromised.
8) Those with egos or "look at what I've done" attitudes, should always be suspect.
9) Truth does not boast of it's "accomplishments", truth is self evident and needs NO MAN to validate it.
10) You will never know "the truth", you will get close, you will catch a glimpse, but in the end, truth will escape us all. Only the Universe holds truth, men do not and CANNOT.
11) Everyone in the 911 Truth Movement holds a PIECE of truth and a PIECE of the lie. No man or woman in this movement can escape that. Truth is a path not a destination.
12) The 911 Truth Movement has been severely compromised.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 6 2007, 03:33 PM|
Lack of information again.
1: I was the person putting together the presentation with the producers. I also can assure you 100% that Judy Woods, never , ever, for a single second was invited or approach to appear on the VIEW. If her name came up, I honestly will tell you that I will have put her down. Her name did show up on Rosie's Blog and she was nice to comment on her like she have done of others. Once Rosie heard of her claims, she was out.
2: Charlie Sheen-post story-- all fake, not true, never happened. Call the post and ask. Alex Jones publicly apologized for insinuating it was me. Go to Alex archives and hear it. By the way, I am in contact with Charlie Sheen people and nothing on their side either! Another disinfo lie.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 6 2007, 03:45 PM|
| It never ceases to amaze me, the audacity of people to try and find a negative spin for the good work people do in the world.
For those of you who don't trust W.R., think about how your position might be different if you were one of the people he pulled from the building that day!!
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 6 2007, 04:15 PM|
Once again Nick (the dick) I emplore you to prove your comments. Sorry I had to drag this over from the closed thread but I had to respond to this bullshit.
Prove it asshole...Find all these threads and repost them here you f'ing liar.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 6 2007, 04:28 PM|
Again, it's awesome to get this information out. I know you are super busy so hopefully I can bother you with one last comment.
Man, it's a heckuva charge to call someone "disinfo," especially amongst the inner-TM circle. Let's face it, you are a TM celebrity and Nico is something of a TM leader (he was one of the founding fathers of the movement, like it or not).
What evidence --other than the fact that his opinion differs sharply from yours and aside from the fact that clearly he interprets the evidence in a way that contrasts somewhat with how you interpret the evidence-- exists that Nico is a "disinfo."
As you can see here just mentioning the term "disinfo" ignites a storm. And it should. A year ago anytime anybody dropped the name "Mike Ruppert" numerous folks seemingly automatically chimed in, chanting "disinfo, disinfo, disinfo." Months later Ruppert's company was destroyed and amidst threats he fled the country. He's been bankrupted and is now recovering in New York. When I look back on all that and on what he professed it becomes apparent that there was a concerted effort to bad-jacket Ruppert, to destroy his credibility within the movement a short time before he was physically destroyed.
So seriously, do you, as a TM insider, think Nico is "disinfo." Think about it.
|Posted by: Waxem Jun 6 2007, 04:37 PM|
i can back that up, i was listening to that show, alex was all, "i shouldnt mention it" and he didnt, then you came on (by phone) explained the situation and alex apologised for doubting you.
|Posted by: Citizen Pawn Jun 6 2007, 04:42 PM|
|For one man or woman to claim that they possess the "total truth" about 9/11, and they're correct on EVERY point, is arrogant to say the least. You would be surprised at what you don't know, if you allow yourself to accept that you don't know. Wisdom comes in the form of a question.|
|Posted by: IVXX Jun 6 2007, 04:42 PM|
LUCUS, debate the issues if you want but drop the personal attacks and language, they do nothing for your argument.
|Posted by: IVXX Jun 6 2007, 04:43 PM|
That's 2 of us who heard it.
|Posted by: Lord Tsukasa Jun 6 2007, 06:49 PM|
| I read this post all the way through, and I think it's unbelievable, ridiculous, and completely destructive to the movement to suspect William Rodriguez, a lifesaver, a hero, to be some kind of info-agent sent to disrupt the movement from within..That's completely ridiculous!
I'm sorry, but this is outrageous. First of all, "inner circle"? Since when has there been a secret inner circle? Second of all, so he met Randi once.. I love how the paper that started this proposes that "The Amazing Randi" is in on the plot.
Really, I oppose anyone in the movement getting pointed out to be a 'disinfo' agent because I think, not only is it laughably ridiculous to suggest such a thing, but it's also destructive to the movement!
I mean, come on, it'll be like the dark ages, where everyone's calling each other witches and warlocks and their taking people to get burnt because some guy thought he saw them doing a devil's dance.
I'm telling you, if anything is going to destroy the movement from within, it will be this kind of thinking. It completely divides us.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 6 2007, 06:59 PM|
One last answer since you are right, super busy and packing for my European Tour. And will use the media to get the right message out and attack back. One thing Nico got right, like I said, was the amount of coverage and contacts we have with BBC and others. Does that makes me an "agent"? or a great story for the media? specially now with 9/11 being used by Giulliani as a campaign platform?
Nico founding father? that's a huge claim! First time I heard of him, was at the Jimmy Walter tour in 2005.
You mention Rupert, let him speak for himself. He went to Venezuela because of fear from the Administration not any other person.
Nico Disinfo? absolutely!!!
Bad research again- That was Andrew Cuomo, Mario Cuomo's son and now the new Atorney General of NY
Nico crossed the line with me, let him deal with my actions now.
end of conversation.
|Posted by: 8bitagent Jun 6 2007, 07:12 PM|
This Chuckles guy proves my point:
JFREFers/Denunkers/FOX News Bush loving war lovers AND No Planers
ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE. They are all for racist wars of hegemony, shutting down the modern white rose society(AKA 9/11 truth movement) and for attacking freedom lovers at any cost.
Folks, lets make it clear
Liberals who call us "nuts", Bush lovers who say we should be arrested or hung,
JREF/Debunkers who have DONE NOTHING For the dying fire/police/rescue workers and dont care about any truth, and "NO PLANERS" are all working toward the same nefarious goals.
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 6 2007, 07:16 PM|
| Nico is disinfo plain and simple...
Not only does he spend all his time slamming 911 truthers but he also promotes the ridiculous no-planes theory.
He likes to call us plane-huggers...lol
Nico is a neo-con hugger.
Go get him Willie
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 6 2007, 07:22 PM|
| We already identified the Chuckles guy. Non entity. Trying the same game over here. Not to worry about him, or better said..it.
hey Lucus- empty your pm folder!
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 6 2007, 07:24 PM|
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 6 2007, 07:25 PM|
|William, call me...give me an update.|
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 7 2007, 05:22 AM|
Apologies for the Cuomo mistake. I thought there was only one. Guess there's two. Anyway, could you describe this magic show you did? I've got to admit that this is the first time in my life that I've ever heard of anyone getting a job based on the magic they performed. Pardon my sense of humor, but since we're talking about the Cuomo crime family here, the scenario could be quite comical.
Magician: Now folks, you've seen me make evidence disappear from a lab. You've seen me make unwanted files disappear. So for my final trick, I'll make a whistle-blower disappear.
Cuomo crowd (on feet and clapping): Yeeaaaaahhhhh!
Magician (after wheeling out person shrouded in black blanket): Now this is miss Chandra Levy, who's, as we all know, been banging the head of the intelligence committee. Well she's come across some files she shouldn't have seen about some things that are going to be happening at the end of the summer of 2001. And since she's seen those files she won't fly on any airplanes. She's also been talking to her parents about what she's seen and now she's made plans to leave D.C. for the West Coast.
Cuomo crowd: Boooooooooo! Boooooooo!
Magician: Would you like to see me make miss Levy disappear?
Cuomo crowd: Yes! Yes! Yes!
(Miss Levy disappears. The crowd goes nuts, rushing the stage, raising the magician to their shoulders to carry him out of the room like the star quarterback gets carried out of the stadium.)
Cuomo: You know, Mr. Magician, I like you. How you made all them files disappear that ungrateful Levy disappear. How 'bout I give you a job where you have access to every room in the nation's economic headquarters.
Hope you see the humor in this.
Also, William, clearly you are a smart man; bilingual, computer literate, well-spoken, you've got poise and organizational skills. And a touring trip to Europe! Wow! Now those aren't cheap, what with the Euro to dollar ratio. Heck, I know European studies professors with PhDs who've never set foot on European soil because they can't afford to. Certainly you are the most capable maintenance man in New York! Must be awesome. No?
And on this subject, this Latino-victims organization, who funds them? The Ford Foundation? The Rockefeller Foundation? The same folks who fund Chomsky and Goodman?
No matter what the case may be you are definitely the most connected former-maintenance dude in the world; what with your presidential awards and your connection to the governor and your ties to certified mind-war ops. It's an interesting crowd you've been associated with and the fact that it was magic that served as your entry to that crowd makes the whole story that much more amazing. And no matter what you say, you are definitely not some sort of small time nobody truther. The Jersey Girls aren't as prominent as you. And clearly you've got your fans who come on here and cheer you on and thump skulls when anybody questions you.
No, William, there's more than meets the eye with you. That's the way it is with magicians. Right? Slight of hand shit. Deceive the crowd. You might not be offical. You might not be ceritifiedly spooky. But you are definitely interesting and run with an interesting crowd.
Thanx for your time!
|Posted by: Yamaha baby grand Jun 7 2007, 07:02 AM|
| 1. George Hayduke, I don't like you.
2. Yep, Nico Haupt is disinfo and agent provocateur. I stoped after I had writen down 10 clues why he is possibly a disinfo.
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 7 2007, 07:43 AM|
1. Yamaha, I like you already!
2. Yes you are right about Nico...he's a "Lie Hugger".
|Posted by: Yamaha baby grand Jun 7 2007, 08:26 AM|
| My name "Yamaha baby grand" is a creation of Judy Wood explaining free fall speed. I have chosen it to expose the disinformation, stupidity and infiltration of the 911 truth movement.
You have to be some reckless creature without moral and ethical values to infiltrate our truth movement. I though to write down my clues.
My top 16 clues why NICO HAUPT is a disinfo agent and an agent provocateur.
1. A poll in this forum showed that most think that www.911researchers.com is a disinfo site. A site where Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 posts on regular basis.
2. Nico Haupt attacked the rather credible truth movement hero William Rodriguez.
3. Nico Haupt attacked the LC guys several time. Last time for beeing succesful with their movie.
4. Nico Haupt attacked the rather credible Steven E. Jones.
Not to mention Alex Jones and David Ray Griffin. So he attacked the most valuable figures within the truth movement. Cui bono?
5. He acts as agent provocateur at 911conferences he was not invited in.
6. He claims that he is co-founder of several 911 truth movement organisations, but he does not seem to have a good reputation within the truth movement and his credibility is marginal.
7. He is associated with other people that supposedly are disinfo agents: Judy Wood, Killtown and James Fetzer.
8. He created a derrogative to describe the members of the truth movement (truthlings).
9. He chosed two of the most uncientific theories to describe the 911 incidents. No-Plane-Theory and exotic weaponry.
10. He is too productive to be one person alone. He posts a lot in forums, writes several articles, has different sites, visits different events and produces also some videos.
He has that in common with Killtown (posted most posts on this forum before he left). Nico Haupt might be a created character and several people are writing the disinfo stuff. His duty must be to manipulate the movement through infiltration. Forum infiltration and observation, fake truthers, agent provocateurs and disinfo agents that try to lead the conversation, fake polls, hack sites and spread tons of disinformation to win the information war are well know tactics.
11. He was on an article of SPIEGEL, a news magazin that is behind germans anti-911-movement.
12. His videos are plain stupid and make no sense. You never will watch them twice if ever.
13. There is NO substancial information in the articles he writes and they are plain unscientific. He is opressing real issues, spining arguments, using smear tactics and strawman arguments, ad hominen attacs, fake dissent, stage outrage and twists what opposed people say.
14. He deals with a rather sensitive topic, but still he finds it appropiate to illustrate his articles with cartoons and childish images. He has that in common with Judy Wood.
15. Nobody understands the mixed up stuff he writes. The internet sites he writes are nearly not readable, because there is no usability. Only endless no sense text that looks like information but is only disinformation.
16. He makes use of so called satire sites to smear others
What is the purpose of that site he made?
If he is not a disinformation agent and member of a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation then he does everything right to look like one.
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 7 2007, 08:48 AM|
| The thing that started my distrust for Nico was this article
Loudmouth LUCUS aka "austexdude469" calls shill Art Bell on 9/11
I never once talked to the guy, ever had anything to say about him, or even dealt with him in the slightest way, and yet he starts shit with me...
He might be a 16 year old kid in his basement like Killtown is or he is several people trying to discredit the movement.
It was great listening to Dylan and Killtown debate on the radio a few weeks ago. Dylan stole Killtown's milk money. I also think Killtown is disinfo too.
I sat and listened to Killtown call Dylan a liar about 6 or 7 times, then, later on in the debate Dylan calls Killtown a liar 1 time and Killtown freaks out and starts saying;
"Mike, you said this debate would be moderated. Why do you let him call me a liar like this. It's not fair"
Give me a freakin break.
Dylan owned him so bad it was really like Chuck Norris beating up an 8 year old.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 7 2007, 08:50 AM|
| Yamaha, #10 is your strongest point.
In my opinion, this is your weakest, which is saying a bit because you've listed some strange arguments (4, 5, 6, 11, to begin with).
Determining something is so because popular opinion is that it is so is borderline ridiculous. Popular opinion, it has been proven time and again, is often quite poorly based or outright wrong. Popular opinion once was that the world was flat, that the sun revolved around the Earth and that anybody who thought otherwise was a witch and needed to be burned at the stake.
Haupt, because he is indeed something of a leader within the TM, should be held in a degree of suspicion. But as I've said before, so should every leader. This movement cannot become a movement of leaders and followers. That wouldn't be a movement representing change. Now would it?
That said, I've also found some of his work to be inspiring. Once he said something like: The risk dismissing NPT/NBBT/CGI out of hand poses is that if it is true then we as a species stand to be enslaved to illusions henceforth. He's right.
At the heart of NPT/NBBT/CGI is the important line of thought that what we are being shown on TV is not real but is being treated as if it were real to get us to believe certain things and behave a certain way. In other words, They are manufacturing illusions and then peddling them as truth. By believing those truths, we are willfully enslaving ourselves.
I think it is of the utmost importance that one of the things the TM asserts is that the TV lies to you. That you cannot trust it. If we fail to do this, then the primary mechanism of political socialization within the fascist system remains in place.
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 7 2007, 09:15 AM|
LOL...You win the award for dumbest post of the month.
Haupt is not even a legman, much less close to a leader. He has 20 subscribers to his blog...20...TWENTY. And most of those 20 are prob other disinfo agents.
Nobody likes him except for noplaners and spacebeamers... and who cares about them. I have found that most of the noplaners are under 18 years old.
Haupt a leader...lol...now that is funny to say the least.
He has been barred from talking crap on 911 blogger and loose change.
Some leader he is.
He could not lead a gay man to an all you can eat penis buffet.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 7 2007, 09:26 AM|
| He was cited in respected books by Marrs, Tarpley and Ruppert. He's been doing this since it began.
I'm not defending him. I'm just saying. You can't deny that he was one of the first, that he's at it hardcore and that he's probably not going to quit. Many people pay attention to what he does and says. He's a leader, whether you like it or not and whether he likes it or not.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 7 2007, 01:41 PM|
George Haupt, you already received your share of answers. Your sarcasm is what closes the doors on you. Pick up the phone and call the people to do real research.
Yeah isn't it a big WTF! when a janitor gets more connection than ATT? oh, but there are other connections that you don't even know about. VIP's, Political personalities and others, that I have been talking too, and that you do not know about. This is the very foundation of my success. They are presented at the right time via notice on the blogs or press releases. Hey, if you have concerns of who pays The Hispanic Victims Group, pick up the phone and call the IRS and ask them. They have my ITN number.
By the way, I had lunch today with the former building Manager of ABM. More later... or better, wait for NICO to give you the update when he gets it. I will send you more via telepathy.
|Posted by: illeagalhunter Jun 7 2007, 03:19 PM|
|hey there William iam traveling 300 mile to see you when you come back to the Uk , cant wait|
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 7 2007, 03:37 PM|
I see you there my friend1 Thanks for coming to the event.
|Posted by: LUCUS Jun 7 2007, 03:40 PM|
| William...when will you be in Austin again so you and I can get a coffee and have a man to man chat?
Let me know
|Posted by: 8bitagent Jun 7 2007, 04:41 PM|
| You know what upsets me?
William ends up the target of this no planer and JREF/debunker AND neocon venom and hate, when he has wayyy better things he's doing with his time(like raising awareness for the sick and dying heroes of 9/11)
Thats how twisted things are, a man who narrowly got out of armageddon while saving people's lives and continues being a hero by getting victim compensation for people, raising awareness, etc and is trying to start a family...gets the brunt of this sick malicious campaign.
What HAVE the JREF/Debunkers, neocon followers and no planers done for the
heroes of 9/11, the victims families, the survivors, etc? NOTHING. Not a damn thing.
|Posted by: seanm Jun 7 2007, 09:09 PM|
Going on your European trip, how were you able to get around the No-fly list you're on?
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 07:54 AM|
Under AFTA- you are to be questioned. If no record, they have to let you go. I will loose my plane, so I always plan ahead.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 07:56 AM|
| thank you 8bitagent and all of you for the support.
MAny surprises will be seen in couple of weeks.
Keep your eyes open!
|Posted by: AriGold Jun 8 2007, 08:10 AM|
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 08:59 AM|
| I was there, I experience the event, I lost 200 friends, I formed a 9/11 victims group, went to congress to fight for them, part of many organizations dealing with the blueprint to avoid future emergencies, speak on the media all the time on different issues related to 9/11, pushing a senate hearing in June to deal with the First Responders issue and live it every day of my life, any doubts?
you are excused.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 09:16 AM|
| hah nice come back!
@8bit: You're right. It's sick how all of the debunkers, no-planers, space-beamers, discreditors, basically all work toward the same ends, with slightly different means.
The way I see it, here is the result.
Since W.R works for victims rights, and raises awareness about sick first-responders, who are dying, that anyone who seeks to discredit W.R. and remove him from his sphere of influence, thus keeping him from doing his work, is actually killing first responders.
Now we have a legitimate reason to call all of the haters, murderers.
Anyone have doubts? Watch the Vito Valente footage Dylan posted a couple days ago and see if you are not brought to tears, whether instantly or after 20 min. If you are not, then question why you are here and what you are actually doing to these men and women who were willing to die for innocent strangers on 9/11.
And then look up the definition of "HERO".
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 8 2007, 09:48 AM|
Are you ever going to be man enough to comment on Mr. Roberts paper?
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 8 2007, 09:50 AM|
Methinks Willy is blowing more smoke. Empty promises that is. Please leave the truth movement. You're lies and self indulgence are a hinderance to our movement.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 09:52 AM|
| chuckles, you are one of three things...
someone close to roberts or Nico, who is disinfo plain and simple
a jrefer who is obviously not part of our movement
or paid agent sent here to disrupt.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 09:54 AM|
| oh it's CHuky from WV again,
your answer was posted way back and also sent to you via email.
Go back to Nico and jref or to your cars.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 09:56 AM|
|report him.. .I did.|
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 8 2007, 09:56 AM|
You're lies are a distraction. Please stop it....NOW!!!
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 09:59 AM|
|Chuky, you cannot stop me.|
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 8 2007, 09:59 AM|
Go ahead. Report me. All I want is responsibilty in the movement. We're never going to get anywhere when people like Rodriguez lie. And when people like you make braindead comments.
Do you want this movement to succeed? If so, grow up and quit whining like a little baby.....and quit talking stupid talk. I don't know why Dylan doesn't ban people for making stupid comments. The Jrefers just point them out and laugh at us. And rightly so.
|Posted by: chuckles Jun 8 2007, 10:01 AM|
Have some ethics and stop with the lies. It's disgusting. Take a moment and quit thinking about yourself.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 8 2007, 10:01 AM|
| So Will, how 'bout that magic show you did for Cuomo? Did you pull a rabit out of a hat? Some card tricks? What little deceptive acts did you pull that Cuomo found so impressive that he gave you total access to every room in the nation's economic headquarters?
Hitler was big on magic. It's true! He was huge into it. Had his scientists study black magic. Then when the war was over we brought those scientists here, to work here. They worked for the CIA, the Nazi magic-scientists did.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 10:03 AM|
|exactly Chuky idiotic comments from you is what makes the divisions. You are a no-planer, Nico loving fan. You have the right to disagree and that is why you have your little forum with only 20 people there. GO have fun there and Chromakey some planes on video for youtube.|
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 10:04 AM|
| I don't know of anyone who would call my comments "brain-dead" even if they don't agree with them.
Okay Georgie, you're now in the same camp as this disruptor? Showing one's true colors certainly does take time...
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 10:05 AM|
your conversation was over long time ago. But as a reminder, pick up the phone and call them, do your work.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 10:07 AM|
| Yeha!! Thanks admins!
back to civil discussions...
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 8 2007, 10:10 AM|
Camp? I'm not in any camp. I'm just asking questions. Demanding answers. You're putting labels on people, calling them "killers" and such. Relax a bit.
Will, tell us what sort of stage magician you were. I want you to tell us all about the magic you used to do, the hocus pocus, brother. Did being a stage magician prepare you for your multitude of roles now, which often put you in front of cameras and in the spotlight? Tell us! Tell us! Tell us!
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 10:12 AM|
| people who are disrupting this movement and who are making excuses for perpetual wars are killers. it's pretty simple.
it appears to me that you are trying to disrupt this good man's work, all I'm saying.
What has WIlliam ever done to hurt the truth movement? Magic?
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 8 2007, 10:15 AM|
|I don't know what you mean by "disrupting the movement." Are you talking about the masked infilitrators at the G-8 march who battled the cops and turned a peaceful protest into a mele? Or are you talking about people you don't see eye to eye with who are asking questions about contentious issues?|
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 10:17 AM|
|asking questions is fine... you have asked your questions. william has decided not to answer them. big deal.|
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 10:18 AM|
Abracadabra- now you see it...no you don't !
Nico's favorite word on no-planes!!!
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 8 2007, 10:28 AM|
Right. I suppose that's an attempt to shock the reader. It's an emotional appeal, hoping to get the reader to associate what they are seeing with something that is impossible. I see similar tactics employed by various other researchers and sometimes they work on some people. The way it can backfire is it comes across as arrogant and self-righteous.
Hey, speaking of magic words, Will, I've got some questions.
|Posted by: look-up Jun 8 2007, 10:30 AM|
| what the hell does magic have to do with what happened at the WTC?
W.R. is not the only source of stories concerning large explosions in the lower levels. why would you be incinuating that he is pulling a trick on us?
Most of his work doesn't even involve speaking of those explosions, but for supporting victim's families etc...
|Posted by: NK-44 Jun 8 2007, 10:34 AM|
wow, from Willie to Hitler...
Alter, du hast doch den Schuss nicht mehr gehört!
Willie, is Germany part of your Europe-tour?
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 8 2007, 10:41 AM|
Magic is a stage art; it's a performing art, brother. The basic gig entails standing in front of a crowd of strangers and deceiving them, doing various things that confuse them; it's about creating convincing illusions.
Also, as mentioned the Nazis were big into magic. But perhaps even more into it are the Masons. The Masons value a good magician for many reasons.
Let's look at one example. You've probably noticed as you've become more emmersed in the TM that many folks out there, members of the rabble if you will, seem to be hypnotized. Like they are CIA-programmed manchurian candidates, zombies set in motion to consume. There may be a scientific explanation for this mass-hypnosis. But there may be much more to it than simple TV brainwashing complemented by socially-acceptable drugs and flouridated water. There's something sort of magical in the way the wool has been pulled over the eyes of most people on most issues for generations.
Now we know that Cuomo has a relative that ran HUD when it was being used to launder money from CIA drug-smuggling syndicates. The CIA we also know has employed Nazi scientists that studied black magic and the occult for Hitler. The CIA we know also was big into mind control, hypnosis and brainwashing.
Magic may be fun and games to you. But it is serious business to some very powerful people, like the Cuomos; like the Bushs.
Ain't that right, Will? You're ability to do little illusory and deceptive acts got you a job with Cuomo in the nation's economic headquarters. And what happened at WTC? Well consider this. More than $600 billion in drug money is laundered through Wall Street each year. Many of these transactions, these transactions involving enormous amounts of dough from the drug smuggling of the intelligence sect, used to take place at WTC.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 11:08 AM|
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 11:26 AM|
George Haupt- Don't you see youare saying yourself:
Magic is a stage art; it's a performing art
You have magic tricks and illusions and you have Magic, the believeing of Dark forces, Satanism and religious extremism. 2 different things. Magician's are entertainers, nothing more. No connections to occult, that is why is called magic or an illusionist should be the right name. The only secrets we have is how we do the tricks, but you can buy a book and learn them. Again, your lack of research is apparent. Again, pick up the phone and call this time the magic societys and asked them about your doubts and masonic bs and GW Bush to see if he is member there or this have anything to do with your worries.
the International Brotherhood of Magicians
or The Society of American Magician's
or the Magic circle in London-
I am no longer member of any of the 3. Since I stopped my Magic career in 1993.
Buy a Magic Kit and have fun
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 11:30 AM|
nation's economic headquarters.
Where was that?
are you talking about the IMF?
Do not get you no-planner. Stop asking idiotic questions and do your research for the last time.
|Posted by: Roxdog Jun 8 2007, 11:32 AM|
|Chuckles is Troy in VA?|
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 8 2007, 11:35 AM|
|Please describe the magic show you performed for Cuomo that triggered him hiring you. Was H. Clinton and G.W. Bush in attendance? Is this where you first met these two, who you pose with in later photo ops? Or did you know them prior to this magic show/job interview?|
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 11:42 AM|
I met then before, when they were working on putting together the plane illusion with Chroma key, CNN was there as well. They showed me this top energy weapon, I said at the time, what a cool device to clean the area! then they told me to be quiet about it. Papa Bush was very busy taking notes and preparing on how Cuomo should not run for president since Michael dukakis was a more manipulative figure. Geraldine ferraro, left the room when they talked about the Chromakey to do a "Wag the Dog" on desert storm. I was busy, sweeping the BS on the dustpan.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 8 2007, 11:48 AM|
|I knew it!|
|Posted by: Terrorcell Jun 8 2007, 11:56 AM|
You do know he is the founder of NY911Truth, right?
Regardless of what your opinions are about him........
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 12:06 PM|
| didn't know that. regardles of how I see him now.
In my case , since you pointed out, I will call them right now and find out
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 12:35 PM|
| Ok, this is what I found out, Nico was one of the persons that founded NY911 truth, with Nick Levitz, Diane, Les Jamieson etc. He quit 3 years after and he marginalized himself. He is not THE founding father of the movement or NY911truth.
I am contacting Rick Siegel now, since we found out that the site is on his name.
|Posted by: the t Jun 8 2007, 01:08 PM|
God bless you for taking time out of your busy schedule to look into this.
|Posted by: William_Rodriguez Jun 8 2007, 01:22 PM|
well , I am leaving now for my trip to Europe, I will contact all of you from there and let you know about the events.
God bless you all!
|Posted by: the t Jun 8 2007, 01:25 PM|
Be careful and God Bless. If you have time maybe you can go into one them hooligan soccer bars and tell them the truth about 9/11.
|Posted by: IVXX Jun 8 2007, 03:15 PM|
Yup and so was the t and plumbers4truth.
|Posted by: Terrorcell Jun 8 2007, 03:42 PM|
Les bothers me due to his ties with Euratia.....
Regardless, I am a big supporter of yours William, always have defended you but I do have to ask you about something because to this day it bothers me and I don't know the story behind it........
I have seen pictures of you shaking hands and posing with those 2 Devils Bush & Clinton......
And I think to myself that there is no way in hell I could possibly ever shake either of those Devils hands and I have not gone through what you have......
|Posted by: antipodean Jun 8 2007, 04:38 PM|
Hi guys, I've only just started to read this thread. From the above quote, is Willie actually saying that he met up with some high level Neo Con politicians, who were interested in plane illusion (video fakery/hologram), & top energy weapons ( the more wacko theories on how the towers collapsed)
|Posted by: NK-44 Jun 8 2007, 07:13 PM|
it's even worse, Willie admitted: "I'm 9/11"
damn, he fooled us all the time
|Posted by: hotrob1017 Jun 8 2007, 07:41 PM|
| I've been away from these forums for a little while and have been spending a lot of my recent time catching up. I was hoping I'd get a post in here before the OP left for Europe (so... I assume the No-Fly list issue has been cleared up?), but I'd like to say this anyway.
There really seems to be far too much personal aggression in the search for 9/11 Truth. It seems that anyone who raises an opinion which someone else disagrees with, the debate descends into personal attacks and assertions, often between posters who have never and never will meet. Why is this, I wonder? Whatever your stance on the events of that terrible day, I think we can all agree that our ultimate goal should be the same.
Debate and dialogue are necessary components of this search, but they should be handled with civility and open-mindedness. If people close their minds and insist on demeaning their opponents instead of staying focused on the issue at hand, they are only hampering the effort to discover what really happened on September 11th.
I do not believe William Rodriguez is a coward or a liar. I simply disagree with his conclusions, just as he disagrees with mine. Why should we have to attack each other for that?
|Posted by: Swing Dangler Jun 8 2007, 08:52 PM|
| William[B], thankyou for your work exposing the truth.
I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Since we have no pictures or video evidence of the basement levels damage, have you or anyone in the B-1 through B-6 on 9/11 for that matter shown pictures of the 1993 attack to the victims to get a comparison of the type of damage that was witnessed?
2. I believe it would help the exposure and facing debunkers to have a reference point for those who experienced the explosions in the basement.
Many state the event reminded them of the 1993 bombing. There are several pictures on the net showing the type of damage experienced in 1993.
Would you have the opportunity to ask those people in the basement if the damage they saw was comparable to the 1993 damage as displayed in pictures?
Thanks for any response.
|Posted by: behind Jun 8 2007, 10:05 PM|
| William, thank you for your work exposing the truth.
I have also maybe one question.
It is about the famous quote from Mike Pecoraro: “We’re talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press – gone!”
Now, the so called "skeptics" have since talked very much about how small the press was etc... and for example here: http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=12383&st=4020 one came up with this pic:
So, My question simply is William, do you know something about how the hydraulic press Mike was talking about looked like ?
Thanks for any response.
|Posted by: DoYouEverWonder Jun 9 2007, 04:38 AM|
Ever notice that the only CTers that make it to FAUX News are guys like Fetzer and Reynolds? Of course they go on to talk about only the most extreme 9/11 POV's, like no-planes, exotic weapons and TV fakery. Not that there may not be some basis for these more extreme theories, but that is not the place to start when your on National TV talking to 1000's of people who have no clue and buy the government's story. The result is that they convince people that all 9/11 CTers and any theory that is not the OCT is nuts too.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 9 2007, 04:46 AM|
Barry Zwicker's book "Towers of Deception" has a photo of the blown out basement levels.
|Posted by: DoYouEverWonder Jun 9 2007, 04:46 AM|
The tonnage rating for a hydraulic press does not refer to that actual weight of the press, it refers to the amount of pressure the press can generate to press on something. Most hydraulic presses weigh a couple of hundred pounds.
|Posted by: George Hayduke Jun 9 2007, 04:57 AM|
Your assignment is to determine whether or not the media was complicit in the attacks of 911. If they were, then they will never convey 911T in a positive light no matter what we do or what truths we uncover. That would be like a murderer calling the cops and leading them to a hidden mass grave of his victims. It could happen. But don't count on it.
Nobody will ever convince me that we need to box in our thinking or discussion of these matters. As I've said before some of the more advanced theories, such as NPPT or laser-theory, do two very important things and if we rule out thought and discussion on such subjects we dramatically limit the scope of what the 911TM can accomplish.
1) We are uncovering the extent to which the TV, as the primary means of political socialization in this country, deceives us with illusions perpetuated by a media complicit to the most heinous of crimes by the state.
2) As dangerous to the citizenry as the false-flag black op is, the secret exotic weapons and technology development programs may pose an even more grave danger. Even if conventional means only were used for carrying out the attacks, we now know that our military likely had other, space-age means of doing it.
These two logical ends of various lines of exploration must be embraced. One reason is because we cannot and do not talk 911T without also mentioning a revolution of sorts, albeit hopefully a peaceful one. Well, if we don't know all the weapons they now have and have been developing in secret for a half century, then we have no idea of how they are going to combat us. You can bet they are going to use the same sort of misinformation and propaganda campaign that we know is in effect (see #1), but can you be certain that they won't also employ HAARP or similar technology on us? And what about other, more alien technology? How can we prevent the next big government conspiracy if we don't even know the weapons they have in place to carry it out?
These two conclusions are crucial and what I've seen is an orchestrated effort to kill discussion of these two, not because NPPT is baseless, but because it seems to me that players acting on behalf of the powers that be don't want us talking about these types of things, TV trickery and exotic weaponry. They'll let us talk about thermate all night. But if you start bringing into 911 weaponry developed at A-51, people start to flip out and try to kill the discussion. Why? Because somebody doesn't want you to know the cards the government holds. Also, the government has a legitimate fear that the TM will unite with the UFO-disclosure movement, or the anti-gov't secrecy movement. If they can isolate us by limiting the scope of our discussion they can prevent the truth vector from spreading. Hope some of you now see my motives, and that they are honest.
911T has the opportunity to spur a spiritual revolution that could save humanity. It could also be stunted and kept in a box as an underground cult ideology. Ultimately its not up to William or Dylan or Prof. Jones which happens. It's up to you and me.
|Posted by: behind Jun 9 2007, 09:07 AM|
Yes. I know... not refer to that actual weight of the press...but the quote is at same time somehow a mystery to me: "...50 ton hydraulic press – gone!” ... so, I was just wondering if William knows more about it so it will be clear one time for all, how exactly the press looked like etc.
|Posted by: DoYouEverWonder Jun 9 2007, 02:18 PM|
I'm not trying to convince you to box in any discussion.
But there is a big difference between discussing the exotic weapons that the DOD is working on all the time, has opposed to issuing statements that say 'exotic weapons definitely used at the WTC.'
For anyone who is serious about finding out the truth about 9/11, it is our responsibility to post reliable information based on verifiable facts. Or if we are speculating, that we make it clear that is what we are doing. But to take speculation and call it proof isn't doing the movement any favors.