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Title: How Many People Are Aware?
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Headhunter - January 15, 2008 06:46 AM (GMT)
I would like to see some org commission another 9/11 poll, both in the USA and International, to see how far we've come and how far we still have yet to go, to work to help bring about the needed transformation, not in military affairs, but in human affairs.

Do you think we're at 1/3rd+ of the American populace yet..?

1/3rd+ in the developed world?

That's probably about right on average.

50% for an issue like this would IMO represent the "tipping point" historically speaking, where the victors of this psych-war who will write the history, are the ones who win it in the sphere of collective conscious awareness and in the court of public opinion.

New media, new channels of information dissemination, which altogether bypass the old media (TV) are key in this battle, from "narrowcasting" word-of-mouth, person to person, to films like Loose Change, seen by more people in the world than any other film.

The debate must be injected now throughout popular culture, through any and every legal, non-voilent means possible.

So where are we at, and how can we get over the top?

I think it will happen as soon as independant Internet-based TV channels begin to take over from traditional cable channels.

TV as we've come to know it must die. That's what I think.

Whenever I stop watching TV, life enters the scene in my experience, and I begin to percieve a new realm of possibility opening up.

Yonatan - January 15, 2008 10:59 AM (GMT)
One third is an over-optimistic figure. If half of that estimate (50 million people) did share your thoughts, the presence of the movement would be stronger in the streets. Right now, you can't get 1000 people to march on a rainy day.

But why is this? In my opinion the Truth Movement's most outrageous claims overshadow those that really should cause concern. Another huge issue is the cult-like veil that is currently surrounding this movement.

Headhunter - January 15, 2008 01:30 PM (GMT)
There's a big difference between activism, and being aware. Polls have been conducted some time ago I'm sure you know.

Yonatan - January 15, 2008 01:58 PM (GMT)
Can you please define what are trying to say by "aware"?

It is such an open term so it can be interpreted in many ways. For example, for me it could mean that someone is aware of something by simply knowing it exists. In the case of an idea you can be aware of it and be completely against it.

Headhunter - January 15, 2008 05:51 PM (GMT)
Aware that the official conspiracy theory as promulgated by the gov't, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission Report is a crock of shit, and a lie.

Arbor - January 15, 2008 05:53 PM (GMT)
If, 50% of this nation believes that 9-11 was an inside job, and truther events STILL can only get around 1,000 people, that would be very very sad for the USA.

For the sake of the USA, I assume it is more like 5%. Otherwise, we truly are a nation of cowards and lazy pigs.

Headhunter - January 15, 2008 05:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Arbor @ Jan 15 2008, 12:53 PM)
If, 50% of this nation believes that 9-11 was an inside job, and truther events STILL can only get around 1,000 people, that would be very very sad for the USA.

For the sake of the USA, I assume it is more like 5%. Otherwise, we truly are a nation of cowards and lazy pigs.

Polls were conducted some time ago, which showed that at least 11% believed the twin towers were exploded intentionally, and it WAS about a third who felt that it was some type of inside job. Apathetic group of people indeed. Fear based, the whole damn thing.

Arbor - January 15, 2008 05:58 PM (GMT)
still doesnt make sense to me. if you can get 100,000 people out to protest the war (and around 50% of the nation is against the war), you should be able to get atleast 10,000 people out to truther events (if the 50% figure is accurate).

fear prevents people from going to truther events? i dont buy it.

Yonatan - January 15, 2008 07:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Headhunter @ Jan 15 2008, 12:51 PM)
Aware that the official conspiracy theory as promulgated by the gov't, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission Report is a crock of shit, and a lie.

So going back to your original post, you basically claim that some one hundred million Americans believe "that the official conspiracy theory as promulgated by the gov't, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission Report is a crock of shit, and a lie." ... can you please link to one of these polls? I find it hard to believe that with such a great number of people sharing your thoughts you can't get 1000 people to march under the rain.

Headhunter - January 15, 2008 10:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Yonatan @ Jan 15 2008, 02:02 PM)
QUOTE (Headhunter @ Jan 15 2008, 12:51 PM)
Aware that the official conspiracy theory as promulgated by the gov't, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission Report is a crock of shit, and a lie.

So going back to your original post, you basically claim that some one hundred million Americans believe "that the official conspiracy theory as promulgated by the gov't, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission Report is a crock of shit, and a lie." ... can you please link to one of these polls? I find it hard to believe that with such a great number of people sharing your thoughts you can't get 1000 people to march under the rain.

I don't have time. Could someone help me out here and enlighten this guy with all the various polls that have been conducted. Thanks so much.

And yes, the American people have no backbone, very little courage and a whole bunch of apathy. They've been whipped by the spectre of being "unPatriotic". It's a real mess.

One poll, by Time Magazine I believe it was, pegged the number who think the Bush administration is lying about and covering up 9/11, at over 70% believe it or not.

Scripts Howard is the most reknown. I'll come back and post it later for ya.

datman - January 15, 2008 11:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Arbor @ Jan 15 2008, 05:53 PM)
If, 50% of this nation believes that 9-11 was an inside job, and truther events STILL can only get around 1,000 people, that would be very very sad for the USA.

For the sake of the USA, I assume it is more like 5%.  Otherwise, we truly are a nation of cowards and lazy pigs.

5% sounds right to me. I don't care what the poles say. Remember our poles say Ron Paul would blow all of them away

stopsnitchin - January 15, 2008 11:33 PM (GMT)
there are alot of people who know but dont really give a f*ck, i commonly hear the reposne of "there isnt anything we can do about it", alot of people just accept it.

miragememories - January 16, 2008 12:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (stopsnitchin @ Jan 15 2008, 07:33 PM)
there are alot of people who know but dont really give a f*ck, i commonly hear the reposne of "there isnt anything we can do about it", alot of people just accept it.

Unfortunately it's human nature to not get involved as long as it's "the other guy".

Of course watch how loud they wail when they become the "other guy".

As long as the majority feel relatively comfortable and secure in their cocooned worlds they won't be motivated.

It is difficult to be encouraged by the public because I suspect that many who do agree with us that 9/11 was an inside job are thinking "so what's the problem?"

We live in very selfish times and those that have want to keep on having. If it means America flexes her military might and seizes the assets of weaker countries then so be it. Survival of the fittest dude and all that crap.

I've encountered a lot of wealthy people in the last few years, and one thing that really stands out is that most if not all of them, convey a strong sense of superiority and entitlement. It's a very upper class attitude and not very attractive.

It helps me understand why the leaders of the NWO, who are represented by the rich and powerful, can treat their fellow humans so unfeelingly.

I sometimes wonder if it will take a major recession coupled with high unemployment to wake up the masses.

MM

alive and still talking - January 16, 2008 12:57 AM (GMT)
that's not what is happening, our readers and other members can not find us

google loose change the usual way, we are not on the front page, there are too many bogus sites using dylan's name ready to ambush all of our visitors

even the new front page does not have FORUM predominantly displayed for
experienced visitors who do find us.

remember the movie matrix ? the machines have changed something, every portal is really a brick wall except maybe one, the bathroom <_<

we can beat the machine at it's own game by creating new portals,
namely forum pages on multiple websites. let the DVD'S sell themselves

in fact, they should be free. christians used to sell the bible, their movement took off the day they made a copy of the bible free for the having.

Yonatan - January 16, 2008 10:09 AM (GMT)
I was searching for these polls that according to HeadHunter demonstrate that one third of the American population are "aware that the official conspiracy theory as promulgated by the gov't, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission Report is a crock of shit, and a lie" with no luck. Can someone help me out here?

888LetsRoll - January 16, 2008 12:35 PM (GMT)
the last number I heard was 39% and that was during the hay day of LC2R

all the other sources show us as HomeGrown Terrorist peaking at 24% of the population. this number incompasses, crack pots, engineers, archietects, Pilots and Citizens that want 911 truth and subsequent executions of the guilty.

My question to you is how valid is any of this stuff..

NWOgre - January 16, 2008 12:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jan 15 2008, 07:57 PM)
in fact, they should be free. christians used to sell the bible, their movement took off the day they made a copy of the bible free for the having.

???
The Christian movement took off in a time when less than 1 % of the population was able to read.
The first real printed bible was published in the 15th century by Johannes Gutenberg.

The bible was read in churches. It was in Latin. Only privileged people were able to read Latin. But almost whole Europe has been Christianized at that time (history).

So that cannot be the point.
People are easily distracted. People like it when they don't have to think for themselves. People don't give a shit for the truth as long as their favorite soap is on TV.

look-up - January 16, 2008 06:28 PM (GMT)
those who are "in the know" are thinking that they can't do anything about all of this.

every single one of us knows that is untrue. we are the only reason people DO know about it and are waking up.

every single person's efforts count for something.

The other problem is that we are confusing the poll numbers.

We need to start drilling the message of hope. We need people everywhere to realize that they can in fact change the world.


Just as an example, Ron Paul's 6% in MIchigan (if accurate) is absolutely astounding, when you compare how little coverage in the MSM and advertising he's actually had. Every effort has been taken to snuff out his message and keep his name off of many polls and TV spots. Yet, he is still getting a significant percentage!!!!

Think about it. Romney last night got 39%. That's 6.5 times as many votes.

Now, think to youself. How many more times the exposure did Romney and McCain get? Heck, even Huckabee!!

WHere would Ron Paul be if everyone knew who he was and had heard his message as much as these other goofballs?

Now, compare how much exposure people like THompson and Giuliani have had compared to Ron Paul? Many more times the amount, to be sure. And Ron Paul beat both of them in Michigan yesterday!

There is great hope for the people to speak out and change the world.

Sadly, the 9/11 Truth activists are taking a backseat to history at this time. We all need to be spreading the truth by taking what we are currently doing, and multiplying by a factor of 10!

Headhunter - January 16, 2008 10:09 PM (GMT)
Unfortunately our position doesn't really function as a positive/affirmative - it's pretty much only bad news we are sharing, which throws people into a state of apathy in the face of it. That's been our problem. However, just look at how far the movement's come even in the face of that reality and the tendency for denial based on a false sense of patriotism. It's incredible really.

And don't forget that more and more the new media is slicing away at the old media, particularly with the next generation.

On the net, where 100 million Americans spend at least some of their time, we rock!

888LetsRoll - January 17, 2008 12:22 AM (GMT)
I wonder how many people knew their gasoline was fixing to do a moon shot - it got called off appearently ... it was all set up and went nowhere.... this week...
just click on Icon for the charts Ive been reading.

user posted image

So, score one for the Citizens -- we were fixing to get hammered and someone came to their senses... Thank You - who ever you are who called this off.

it is more than likely we are past the highest price for a while.

alive and still talking - January 17, 2008 12:26 AM (GMT)
we all need to quit screwing around and outfit our cars and trucks with hydrogen technology. no laws regulating it exist at this time, college students are doing it
for class credits. someone needs to package a kit and sell it to those

who can't do-it-themselves




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