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Title: 911blogger Thread On Ron Paul
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chris sarns - January 14, 2008 10:48 PM (GMT)
Ron Paul is not a friend of the truth movement.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13334
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t-lxZmrqLxU

When asked:
"Many of your supporters call themselves 911 truthers. They believe that the US government was in some way complicit with the 911 attacks or covered it up. Are you tonight prepared to either embrace that rhetoric or ask those supporters to abandon it or divorce themselves from your candidacy?"

He responded:
"I can't tell people what to do but I've abandoned those viewpoints. I don't believe that.
That's the only thing that is important so I don't endorse anything they say...."

How hard would have it been to say... yes there are many crazy theories about 911, but there are also many serious questions that remain unanswered.


When asked:
"Would you ask them to cease that rhetoric tonight on your behalf?"

He responded:
"Well, it doesn't do me any good, so if they care about me they should."

If you care about RP, you should "abandon the '9-11 was an inside job' rhetoric".

If you care about 911 truth, you should abandon you support for RP.


The Truth Movement has been had by a well crafted campaign of misinformation about RP.
If we all knew then what we know now, the Truth Movement would not have put it's support behind RP.


RP IS A GATEKEEPER.

He supports the official LIE. "Muslim extremists did it"

He calls our 911 theories "preposterous and bizarre"

chucksheen - January 15, 2008 01:48 AM (GMT)
He supports an investigation but doesn't endorse the views you hold. He wouldn't be doing any investigating himself but did he say he wouldn't look into the research of others to come to his own logical conclusions? Where were you when people were having these discussions before the race heated up? Has the MSM asked Ron Paul if he supports a true independant criminal investigation? Ron Paul has more integrity and principles than any other candidate, even Kucinich. Dennis doesn't understand the economy like Ron Paul. Dennis doesn't understand the 2nd ammendment or the United Nations and sovereignty like Ron Paul. Dennis doesn't understand the Constitution, rights over privelages (UN), borders and the notion of robbing from Peter to give to Paul, like Dr. Ron Paul does. Watch all the video of Ron Paul you can and read as many books as possible. Start with chapter 2 of the book in my signature called Good To Be King.

Does it fit Ron Paul's character to block an investigation that he already has agreed needs to happen?

QUOTE
Caller: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I'm tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

Congressman Paul: Well, that would be nice to have.  Unfortunately, we don't have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there's not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn't going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.


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Congressman Paul:  Well, I think he was asking about, you know, who ultimately is to blame and whether or not it deserves more investigation.  There was one investigation.  They spent a lot of money and very extensive and I think he indicated that they didn't even mention the third building that went down (WTC Building 7).

Government investigations, as a general rule, aren't very good because when the government does it, they generally protect the government.  And whether it's investigating 9/11, or, you know, Ruby Ridge, or Waco, they tend more to be coverups than anything else.

The truth is I don't know exactly all that transpired.  I don't know if anybody knows the absolute truth, but there's reason to be very suspect of what's happened.  And I am convinced that the 9/11 Commission Report did ignore some very, very important things like the third building, as well as why did those numerous Arabs from Saudi Arabia with the name of bin Laden get to go home when none of us were allowed on airplanes. That always amazed me, as well,  especially since the 15 out of 19 came from Saudi Arabia.  And then they turn around and they use this as an excuse to go into Iraq.  So, you know the whole thing, whether it's strictly 9/11 but it's the repercussions from 9/11 that led to the useless and needless war, that all needs looked into just for the sake of the future of our country. ...

Pat Gorman:  It seems that we've got this propaganda machine that has just started to really blow up and being out of control. Like, you know, tell them whatever we want them to hear. Don't tell them the truth. ...

Congressman Paul:  Yeah and I think that's true.  The only way that can work is you have to terrorize the people, our people, in a different way than, you know, what terrorism is really is all about, but we terrorize them by building up tremendous fear.  You know, "If you don't do something, if you don't give up your liberties and if you don't invade this country, we're all going to be blown up." You know, so they have to terrorize us and build great fear that something terrible is going to happen to our country unless we sacrifice our liberties and go to war.


Where is Dennis Kucinich with his hearings?

Ron Paul does not take anything away from 9/11 truth, especially for me. He is freeing minds in an equally important way so people everywhere are much closer to realizing there is a revolution going on. Liberty is a jewel and without it, we will never get justice or peace. We truthers just need to be MORE concerned with the work we are doing and LESS with the work the MSM isn't going to do for us.

chris sarns - January 15, 2008 06:44 AM (GMT)
If Ron Paul supports an investigation, then why didn't he say so?

He could have and should have said something like:

I don't believe these conspiracy theories but the 911 commission report left too many questions unanswered and that feeds these theories.
We need a new, independent investigation, free from administration influence.
They failed to stop any of the 4 hijacked planes and no one was held accountable.

RP only says that when it is politically convenient, not when it counts.

Stop making excuses for this guy.
He had his chance to turn that question around and use it to his advantage but he did not.

He believes and supports the official LIE.

He says conspiracy theories are "preposterous and bizarre".

There is no wiggle room here.

He is consistent and adamant.

He is a gatekeeper, not a truther!



Kucinich said he would investigate the 'financial aspect'.
That was a cheap dodge.
However,
he has not disavowed the Truth Movement like RP has.
He says "I am looking into it".

I support Dennis but i'm not fanatic about it like RP supporters.

Hero worship is dumb. Blind faith is foolish.

"He is our only hope" is just a well worn political catch phrase.

Wake up! RP is NOT on our side.


Andoo Inc. - January 15, 2008 03:33 PM (GMT)
The more he keeps moving away from the truth movement and yet still says the things that promote individualism and freedom keeps thinking that he was just someone that was put in there to dwindle our efforts as Constitutional Americans. I am starting to believe he is just that trumpet blower in animal house taking us down an ally we don't need to be going down.

When it comes to the debates you would think he would stand up there with and IRON FIST to back up all of this support he has from Americans and the Constitution.


I think the problem on these 9/11 truth sites is that we don't all come together and have a dogma that coexists with the Documents that were setup to get us away from Monarchy rule, which we are currently in. I do believe Michael Tsarion is right when he speaks of how the royal families can't just hang people in the streets anymore so they have to put off distant relatives who are loyal to them, like the Bush's. We can't get off topic debates about eugenics and whatnot, but I do believe that 2008 is a time for all of us to stand up and unite our obvious upper hand in righteousness and relive the spirit of democracy and freedom. People don't want to admit that we've lost freedom because there is too much pride. I will die fighting to put the freedom back in the hands of our ignorant people if I have to.

Reggie_perrin - January 15, 2008 04:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chris sarns @ Jan 14 2008, 10:48 PM)
Ron Paul is not a friend of the truth movement.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13334
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t-lxZmrqLxU

When asked:
"Many of your supporters call themselves 911 truthers. They believe that the US government was in some way complicit with the 911 attacks or covered it up. Are you tonight prepared to either embrace that rhetoric or ask those supporters to abandon it or divorce themselves from your candidacy?"

He responded:
"I can't tell people what to do but I've abandoned those viewpoints. I don't believe that.
That's the only thing that is important so I don't endorse anything they say...."

How hard would have it been to say... yes there are many crazy theories about 911, but there are also many serious questions that remain unanswered.


When asked:
"Would you ask them to cease that rhetoric tonight on your behalf?"

He responded:
"Well, it doesn't do me any good, so if they care about me they should."

If you care about RP, you should "abandon the '9-11 was an inside job' rhetoric".

If you care about 911 truth, you should abandon you support for RP.


The Truth Movement has been had by a well crafted campaign of misinformation about RP.
If we all knew then what we know now, the Truth Movement would not have put it's support behind RP.


RP IS A GATEKEEPER.

He supports the official LIE. "Muslim extremists did it"

He calls our 911 theories "preposterous and bizarre"

I think the 9/11 truth movement now only represents a very small faction of ron pauls support, sure at the beginning 9/11 truthers probably represented his core base, but not now, he has a huge following in the anti war movement who've abandoned the democrats plus lots of independents are joining too, i doubt losing some truthers would do much damage anyway.

IMO 9/11 truther should stick with ron paul if they believe in peace because he's the only viable candidate who is promoting peace, Ron Pauls campaign transcends 9/11 truth.

chris sarns - January 16, 2008 12:04 AM (GMT)
No truther should support a candidate who is openly opposed to the Truth Movement.
RP does NOT deserve your support.

That " he's the only viable candidate who is promoting peace" argument is wearing pretty thin.

Don't get sucked into the "Vote for someone who has a chance of winning, not your conscience" BS.

Kucinich will now be allowed in the debates tonight thanks to an order by a judge.

Don't rule him out yet.


Reggie_perrin - January 16, 2008 02:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chris sarns @ Jan 16 2008, 12:04 AM)
No truther should support a candidate who is openly opposed to the Truth Movement.
RP does NOT deserve your support.

That " he's the only viable candidate who is promoting peace" argument is wearing pretty thin.

Don't get sucked into the "Vote for someone who has a chance of winning, not your conscience" BS.

Kucinich will now be allowed in the debates tonight thanks to an order by a judge.

Don't rule him out yet.

I think this is unfair on Ron Paul, he has never come out in favor of the 9/11 truth movement, he has said he would support a new investigation, 9/11 truthers knew from the very beginning he didn't think the US government carried out 9/11, some people seem to have put 2+2 together and come up with 5 just because he appeared on the AJ's show.

He's not opposed to the truth movement, he actually said people are free to believe in whatever they like, he just said he doesn't agree that the US government carried out the 9/11 attacks.

Even IF Ron Paul thought something dodgy about 9/11 privately, to come out publicly it would be suicide for him, i mean would you, in front of a arena packed with republicans in a debate moderated by fox news who remember think saying Bush lied about WMD's is a treasonous act, come out and say yeh "9/11 was an inside job" ?, Ron paul would have been booed and chased out of that arena by frothing republican neo-cons, his campaign would effectively be OVER. He has to be a bit more tactful whilst running his campaign.

It takes huge guts to be going up there saying the things he is saying, he should be commended not smeared as an "enemy of the truth movement", i have HUGE respect for Ron Paul for doing and saying what the American people NEED to hear, he's a hero.

look-up - January 16, 2008 02:24 PM (GMT)
of course as we all should know, the "US government" did not actually carry out the attacks.

Al-qaeda did. A few people within the government helped them to make it happen.

That in no way makes the most accurate statement = "US Government did 9/11"


What Ron Paul and the media have not discussed, is whether Al-Qaeda is a puppet terrorist group partially controled by the US government, or shall we say, Shadow Government, and some US-centric interests. But there are just as many foreign interests entangled in the mess to make those characterizations less than comprehensive.

AnalogDan - January 16, 2008 05:22 PM (GMT)
This would be political suicide. People hate us. They would crucify him if he began endorsing it during his run. That said, I do believe that he understands and directly attacks the powers that be that created 9/11, and that is good enough for me. Keep in mind folks, we are up against nearly one hundred years of corruption..maybe more. This is gonna take time...it may take our entire lives.

chris sarns - January 18, 2008 03:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Jan 16 2008, 08:06 AM)
he has said he would support a new investigation
into incompetence NOT conspiracy. Big Difference.

QUOTE
9/11 truthers knew from the very beginning he didn't think the US government carried out 9/11, some people seem to have put 2+2 together and come up with 5 just because he appeared on the AJ's show.
A lot of people.

QUOTE
to come out publicly it would be suicide for him, i mean would you, in front of a arena packed with republicans in a debate moderated by fox news who remember think saying Bush lied about WMD's is a treasonous act, come out and say yeh "9/11 was an inside job" ?, Ron paul would have been booed and chased out of that arena by frothing republican neo-cons, his campaign would effectively be OVER. He has to be a bit more tactful whilst running his campaign.
This excuse is getting very tired.
You talk as if there was no in between.
There is.

He should have said something like:
"I don't believe these conspiracy theories but the 911 Commission left too many questions unanswered, like building 7.
We need a credible, independent investigation so we can put these theories to rest."

That would be PC and still ask for a new investigation.

He wrote us off. No mention of an investigation.
"I can't tell people what to do but I've abandoned those viewpoints. I don't believe that.
That's the only thing that is important so I don't endorse anything they say...."

This was his big chance. He blew it. [again]

He has lost the support of many truthers.

He deserves the support of none.




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