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ron1872 - November 2, 2007 08:04 AM (GMT)
After reading and watching a lot of information and video's on the internet about the Pentagon crash, I totally missed Painfull Deceptions by Eric Hufschmid, until yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj08P3fp17U

I'm now for 90 percent sure that the attack happened like Eric exposes. It explains a lot of things: the witnesses around the Pentagon, the lightpoles (spanwidth of a Boeing 757 and a Global Hawk), the debris found there which is not of a Boeing 757, the missing frames on the Pentagon video's, the fact Hani Hanjour could not fly at all and so on.

Eric is stating that a missile was launched first from the Global Hawk and after that the plane hit the wall. I'm not convinced about this point, that's the 10 percent.

And now on to my question: are there any Photoshopped pictures here on the LC forum or elsewhere available from a Global Hawk drone painted and camouflaged into AA77 colours? What I need are pictures from many different angles (not above) showing such a kind of plane and (!!) with a neutral background! This into connection with the original Operation Northwoords scenario, which described a simmular plan to repaint a military aircraft.

An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.


I do not have the knowledge and experience of Photoshopping or other photo editting programme's, so what I need now is some very experienced people who can help me out in making some realistic samples of this probably used drone near Washington!

So please do your best, not only for me, but perhaps to solve the Pentagon mystery.

Greetings from a cold and wet Europe (Netherlands).

(You guys in the US, you're not alone!)

Terral - November 2, 2007 03:09 PM (GMT)
Hi Ron:

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Ron >>  After reading and watching a lot of information and video's on the internet about the Pentagon crash, I totally missed Painfull Deceptions by Eric Hufschmid, until yesterday. I'm now for 90 percent sure that the attack happened like Eric exposes. It explains a lot of things: the witnesses around the Pentagon, the lightpoles (spanwidth of a Boeing 757 and a Global Hawk), the debris found there which is not of a Boeing 757, the missing frames on the Pentagon video's, the fact Hani Hanjour could not fly at all and so on.


The 1 hr 26 min Eric Hufschmid video is here >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6195602850998970210

The video makes several misstatements of fact that include:

1. Boeing 757-200 Jetliner has maximum takeoff weight of 255,000 pounds and not a mere 60 tons, which is the weight of just the high grade aluminum frame.

2. 911Commission crash speed for Flight 77 is 530 MPH and not 400 MPH. http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf (Page 27 on PDF counter).

3. Global Hawk uses a single Allison Rolls-Royce AE3007H turbofan engine ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-4_Global_Hawk ), but the Jet parts found at the Pentagon are from a Pratt and Whitney J-Series engine ( http://www.rense.com/general67/911eng.htm ).

4. The Security Frames ( http://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/e.../dodvideos.html upper right) show a missile with a diameter of only 20 inches ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../a1-Frame1a.jpg ). The Global Hawk is 15 feet tall and much too big.


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Ron >>  Eric is stating that a missile was launched first from the Global Hawk and after that the plane hit the wall. I'm not convinced about this point, that's the 10 percent.


Eric’s conclusions do not match the evidence of an initial 9:31:39 AM attack and a second 9:36:27 AM attack where Pentagon clocks were stopped and “Just Smoke” ( http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5751351276150910098 * ) fires were transformed into a fiery inferno.

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The initial 9:32 AM attack ( http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa5.pdf ) was carried out under the cover of a “Big Plane * ” Decoy, seen by many witnesses. Time passed between Lloyd’s original 9:31:39 AM Light Pole incident and the “Big Boom” ( http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78448 ) taking place just 4 minutes and 48 seconds later where many witnesses saw ‘a small plane’ explode against the Wedge One E-Ring wall.

Michael Kelly >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0qpbwHCYI

Don Wright >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schV0rKCRwA

We have evidence of a smaller Jet crash ( http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/PentagonA3wreckage1.htm ) that in no way matches the debris from any Global Hawk.

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Ron >>  And now on to my question: are there any Photoshopped pictures here on the LC forum or elsewhere available from a Global Hawk drone painted and camouflaged into AA11 colours?


First I would like to see any evidence at all for a Global Hawk crashing anywhere. We have evidence of retired military jets and Global Hawks being retrofitted ( http://web.archive.org/web/20070221061504/...05/318250.shtml ) with Pratt and Whitney engine parts littering the Pentagon, but no evidence of any 5 to 10-ton Global Hawk. The chances are much higher that the DoD painted up the A-3 Jet to look like an AA Jetliner with this kind of action going on:

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Ron >>  What I need are pictures from many different angles (not above) showing such a kind of plane and (!!) with a neutral background! This into connection with the original Operation Northwoords scenario, which described a simmular plan to repaint a military aircraft.


I think you fail to realize a Global Hawk ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...obal_Hawk_2.jpg ) is a very large candidate for the 20-inch missile we see in the Pentagon Security Video. The maximum speed for this Unmanned aerial vehicle is only about 400 miles per hour ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_US_endurance_UAVs ) and Dulles radar tracked the attacking flying object at 500 knots ( http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm ), or almost 600 miles per hour.

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Ron >>  I do not have the knowledge of Photoshopping or other photo editting programme's, so what I need now is some very experienced people how can help me out in making some realistic samples of this probably used drone near Washington!


First try to make an attempt at confirming something like a slow-moving flimsy-winged Global Hawk (never happened) made an attack run on the Pentagon.

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Ron >>  So please do your best, not only for me, but perhaps to solve the Pentagon mystery.


From looking at all the evidence up one side and down the other, I can find no evidence anywhere to support the “Global Hawk Hit The Pentagon” Explanation at all. If you have that kind of evidence, then I am all ears. :0)

GL,

Terral

ron1872 - November 2, 2007 06:53 PM (GMT)

mrn838 - November 2, 2007 07:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ron1872 @ Nov 2 2007, 01:53 PM)
Number one, thanks!

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/cha...lhawk_Quinn.jpg

Except for the fact that the Global Hawk is much too small to be seriously considered a candidate, that the engine parts do in fact match the 757, that nobody described which even remotely looked like a Global Hawk, that no frames are missing from the Pentagon tape it just has a very low framerate, and that no missile debris were found at the site but the bodies of passengers and Pentagon employees were found, your theory is quite sound. ;)

Pentagon reality check - November 2, 2007 07:54 PM (GMT)
Sam Danner says he saw the Global Hawk strike. Google this courageous truth-teller along with Hufschmid's name and see what a joker Eric is. He is a self-debunking disinfo clown, in case there's any confusion on the issue.
Also, Joe Quinn, another joker on about the same Jon Carlson level of integrity, who made that graphic I posted (chainsawmoth = me) says the Pentagon wheel rim "bears a startling likeness to the rim of the wheel of the landing gear of a Global Hawk.”
user posted image

More info:
FF Global Hawk posts

ron1872 - November 2, 2007 08:42 PM (GMT)
The main reason for my thoughts pointing to the Global Hawk option is the wingspan in relation to the five lightpoles.

- Boeing 757-200: 38,05 m
- Global Hawk 35,4 m
- A3 Skywarrior 22,1 m

Only a Boeing 757 or Global Hawk can hit all of the lightpoles, related to their position if they were hit by an aircraft.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...htpolesfell.jpg

Shown in this animation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhITnPeo374

I really do not believe in a Boeing theory stating a 757 or smaller commercial airliner hit the building. It's simply too small when we have a look at the Pentagon video's. When it was a 757 we have to see something larger, for me a 20 inch missile is too small, a Global Hawk fits better and can hit all of the lightpoles, even though one of these was pointing into the wrong direction.

http://membres.lycos.fr/applemacintosh2/COMPARE.jpg

When we consider the witnesses many of them mention a large aircraft, some of them said it was a small 12-20 person commercial airliner, but most of them did not say something about a lot of sound made by the aircraft landing at full speed!

Terral - November 2, 2007 09:07 PM (GMT)
Hi Mrn:

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Mrn >>  Except for the fact that the Global Hawk is much too small to be seriously considered a candidate, that the engine parts do in fact match the 757 . . .


The Global Hawk is what?? Too small? Please . . .

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/e.../dodvideos.html

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Take good long look at the Camera #2 of the missile nose section and tell everyone the BIG Global Hawk ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...obal_Hawk_2.jpg ) is too small. :0) Mrn is DREAMING again and having Flight 77 fantasies.

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This is where Mrn wants everyone to believe a 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour. :0) This view shows the massive size of the cable spools that are taller than a man with the second story floor standing not far above them, but Mrn says an almost 50-feet tall Jetliner crashed here. :0) Sorry, but all I can do is LAUGH out loud . . . Even if the hole was big enough (and it is not nearly), then you are still missing 100 tons of Jetliner no matter how you cut the mustard. Your statement above that the engine parts do indeed match a 757 is nothing but A LIE that Mrn cannot support with any kind of evidence. Even if you had 757-200 parts from a real Rolls-Royce RB211-535 Registry Number N644AA Flight 77 Jetliner (which you DO NOT), Mrn has no place in the E-Ring wall where anything like that ever crashed on 9/11 or any other day. The fact is that Flight 77 had hundreds of time-change parts with serial numbers and the government has not produced EVEN ONE to date. ZERO.

http://physics911.net/georgenelson

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American Airlines Flight 77

This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.

Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view . . With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 DID NOT fly into the Pentagon as alleged.


The Official Cover Story cronies running around here fail to realize Flight 77 and the Rolls-Royce engines had many indestructible ‘time-change’ parts and NONE have ever been presented by the government in this Pentagon case OR any of the other 911 cases. The idea that the FBI still has jurisdiction over these cases is the height of Congressional Complicity and STUPIDITY. The FAA says the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon wall at 9:32 AM ( http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa5.pdf ), but the FBI-provided Flight Data Recorder evidence, given to the National Transportation Safety Board ( http://web.archive.org/web/20061007032310/...+Study_AA77.pdf ) places Flight 77 outside Pentagon airspace at 9:32 AM at the official crash time. In short, all of Jim Ritter’s NTSB testimony is a fabricated LIE presented to build a DoD Cover Story and hide the absolute fact that a ‘rogue element’ working inside the Department of Defense itself murdered Navy/Defense Intelligence Personnel along with the ‘accountants, bookkeepers, audit managers and budget analysts’ ( http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011216pentagonp4.asp ) responsible for creating the paper trail back to the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU ). But, Mrn wants you to believe the Official Government Cover Story is the 911Truth. :0) All I see is another guy wearing a black hat around here . . .

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Mrn >>  . . . that nobody described which even remotely looked like a Global Hawk, that no frames are missing from the Pentagon tape it just has a very low framerate,


Listen to this guy. :0) He has no evidence for anything, but runs his LIES together faster than Senor Bushie can tell the illegals “Come and steal American identities and jobs!” Two frames are missing from camera #1 and camera #2 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9jW_8ZCUmg ) where the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane was censored from the images.

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Mrn >>  . . . and that no missile debris were found at the site but the bodies of passengers and Pentagon employees were found, your theory is quite sound.


LOL! This is the kind of junk hauled out at the JREF Board where CT Debunkers run around regurgitating Loyal Bushie LIES like good little lapdogs going ‘ruff, ruff,’ The DoD carried out the ‘inside job’ murder of innocent Army/Navy/Defense Personnel and as many accountant-types they could cram into the E, D, and C-Rings on a 45-degree south trajectory between Column Line (CL) 13 and CL 15.

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The DoD ‘rogue element’ military bad guys packed everyone marked for sterilization inside that red circle for the 9:31:39 party, before they ran to the other side of the Pentagon in anticipation of two big BOOMS some five minutes apart. Any first responders running to the rescue of any injured personnel were killed in the second 9:36:27 A-3 Jet attack, or the 60 Hour Witness Assassination ( http://web.archive.org/web/20060903234731/...01/278515.shtml ) that continued for the next three days. Any Flight 77 passenger victim DNA found at the Pentagon was planted there by the same DoD murdering bad guys that killed the Military and Civilian personnel targeted for assassination on 9/11. If Mrn’s Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon at 530 miles per hour, then how did this victim ( http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...manremains.html ) perish without one broken bone or one broken tooth or without his pants even burning??? Where is all the Flight 77 debris surrounding this victim??? And where is the Jetliner debris surrounding all the victims? The 6-ton engines are missing from vaporization, but we have victim bodies entirely intact. Anyone with half a brain can tell this crap is not adding up one bit . . . Mrn is pretending the government has been on the level all along, when they have obviously been LYING through their teeth just like Mrn.

If anyone here really believes Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, then go right now and start that thread and start hauling out your evidence! Do it! You come onto these threads and support Official Bushie LIES by mumbling NONSENSE you cannot support with any evidence, then you run away and hide without starting your “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Thread. You have no evidence and you are all cowards, if you can tell these LIES without defending that “Flight 77 Crashed Here” NONSENSE on your own thread! All of these Loyal Bushies have a big “L” for Loser painted on your foreheads with a big fat yellow strip down your back. But hey, Ron got a picture of a Flight 77-looking Global Hawk, even if nobody can prove anything like that ever hit the Pentagon either. :0)

GL,

Terral

ron1872 - November 2, 2007 09:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 2 2007, 04:07 PM)

Listen to this guy. :0) He has no evidence for anything, but runs his LIES together faster than Senor Bushie can tell the illegals “Come and steal American identities and jobs!” Two frames are missing from camera #1 and camera #2 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9jW_8ZCUmg ) where the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane was censored from the images.   


Hi Terral

I'm aware of debunkers here too, like on any 9/11 place!

The Decoy Flyover is not what I believe in. It sounds great, but I really haven't seen or heard witnesses who can verify this. The airport on the other site is not in a straight line with the flightpath of a Boeing/Global Hawk/A3 Skywarrior.

I've been watching the two Pentagon video's last week and I'm sure on both of them we are missing at least one and maybe two frames between the incoming object at the upper right corner and the actual impact in the building. Why? The incoming object could be followed by a second object. Can a Global Hawk fire a missile in a straight forward line or just drop a bomb or missile? I do not have that knowledge.

This flatbuilding was hit by an El-Al fright airliner about 15 years ago near Amsterdam:

http://www.zachariel.nl/graphics/israelbijlmerramp.jpg

http://www.statengeneraaldigitaal.nl/thema...rramp_quote.jpg

The complete corner of the building was gone and about 20 appartments were destroyed.

mrn838 - November 2, 2007 09:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ron1872 @ Nov 2 2007, 03:42 PM)
The main reason for my thoughts pointing to the Global Hawk option is the wingspan in relation to the five lightpoles.

- Boeing 757-200: 38,05 m
- Global Hawk 35,4 m
- A3 Skywarrior 22,1 m

Only a Boeing 757 or Global Hawk can hit all of the lightpoles, related to their position if they were hit by an aircraft.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...htpolesfell.jpg

Shown in this animation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhITnPeo374

I really do not believe in a Boeing theory stating a 757 or smaller commercial airliner hit the building. It's simply too small when we have a look at the Pentagon video's. When it was a 757 we have to see something larger, for me a 20 inch missile is too small, a Global Hawk fits better and can hit all of the lightpoles, even though one of these was pointing into the wrong direction.

http://membres.lycos.fr/applemacintosh2/COMPARE.jpg

When we consider the witnesses many of them mention a large aircraft, some of them said it was a small 12-20 person commercial airliner, but most of them did not say something about a lot of sound made by the aircraft landing at full speed!

No parts of a Global Hawk were found. According to Globalsecurity.org, in March 2002 there were 3 Global Hawks in existence, the other 3 lost in various testing mishaps. So nobody would notice that these aircraft were missing? I think not.

Again, the profile of the Global Hawk does not match a passenger aircraft. Most of them actually reported a large aircraft, identified as an airliner, striking the Pentagon. The simple fact is that nobody could mistake a Global Hawk for a 757.

Terral - November 2, 2007 09:58 PM (GMT)
Hi Ron:

BTW, welcome to the Loose Change Pentagon Forum. :0)

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Ron >>  The main reason for my thoughts pointing to the Global Hawk option is the wingspan in relation to the five lightpoles. - Boeing 757-200: 38,05 m - Global Hawk 35,4 m - A3 Skywarrior 22,1 m


If only solving this Pentagon Case were that simple. Please allow me to point out several problems with your theory:

1. The Global Hawk wings are much too flimsy to survive knocking down five light poles, even the ‘breakaway’ kind we have at the Pentagon.

This thing is huge >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...hawk.750pix.jpg

Just look at the thing! Composite wings cannot stand striking light poles going 400 miles per hour and especially without leaving all kinds of ‘wing’ debris.

2. The 9:31:39 AM Plane is reported to be a BIG PLANE.

A. http://www.pentagonresearch.com/018.html

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Lloyd the taxi driver >>  He described the plane as, "a big one like at the airport with 2 engines". He did not recall any markings and did not state that it was American Airlines.
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Terry Cohen >>  “OMG. It was an airplane! It was an airplane! They kept saying it was a BIG AIRPLANE.”
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On Station Fireman Alan Wallace >>  I saw a large frame commercial airliner crossing Washington Blvd., heading towards the Pentagon!  The plane had two big engines, appeared to be in level flight, and was only approximately 25 feet off the ground and only about 200 YARDS from our location.


Are you beginning to see our problem? :0) Anyone investigating this case is not going to conclude any of these people saw a single-engine Global Hawk of any kind, shape or form. A Global Hawk is a funky looking aircraft that most folks could not accurately identify passing over their head, but these witnesses all saw a BIG PLANE and knew what the hell they where looking at. We know this Big Plane took down the light poles, because this is the same time Lloyd’s windshield was broken and all the poles went flying around. However, the firemen started running north ‘before’ the Decoy flew over the building and before the missile went ‘boom’ into the E-Ring wall. The A-3 then struck 5 minutes later as already described above.

3. Perhaps you fail to realize just one of these Global Hawks with ‘per-aircraft development costs’ run in the range of 123,200,000 dollars. That is 123.2 million bucks per aircraft. These DoD bad guys are in this for the MONEY and are not stupid enough to waste a perfectly good 123 million dollar aircraft, when a retrofitted retired Jet loaded with TNT can do the job at one hundredth the price. :0)

4. Again, you have Pratt and Whitney J-series military Jet parts ( http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/coffin.htm ) found at the Pentagon.

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonPlaneRotor.shtml

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There is one photograph of the debris, from  FEMA 1 that may be useful. A rotor (high pressure stage) coming from an jet engine can be seen in left-hand side photo above . On the top left of the image, what seems to be the housing of this engine. On the right, the leg of somebody working on the site gives approximately the scale, of less than a meter in diameter.

Jean-Pierre Desmoulins  examines this photograph carefully, and notes that: this is a high pressure rotor element of a jet engine; the diameter of the housing is not much bigger than the diameter of this rotor, most of the witnesses heard a sound that they describe as the sound of a military aircraft (highly pitched and strident), not the sound of an airliner.

He concludes: this piece and the streamlining behind don't come from the engine of an airliner, which has low pressure fans of much larger size than the high pressure rotors, so that the streamlines are much larger than the diameters of the high pressure rotors. The engines of this plane had no low pressure fans: they are military engines, for which noise is not a problem.


The reason Jean-Pierre Desmoulins concludes these are military parts is because they are from a cheaper Pratt and Whitney J-Series jet engine common to most military jets, because We The People do not afford Rolls-Royce Engines in our military jets. You have the same exact problem as the Official Cover Story cronies running around here without a hope or a prayer, because there were no Rolls-Royce engine parts found anywhere near the Pentagon and most everyone here has known that from the beginning. If the Pentagon was hit by a lawnmower, then it was powered by a cheaper Briggs and Stratton engine and not the Honda.

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Ron >>  Only a Boeing 757 or Global Hawk can hit all of the lightpoles, related to their position if they were hit by an aircraft.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...htpolesfell.jpg


I swear we have far too many people posting ‘lyte trip’ pictures around here. :0) I am not buying any of that, because the composite Global Hawk wings are too flimsy to knock down one light pole and still fly over the E-Ring wall.

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Ron >>  Shown in this animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhITnPeo374


Heh . . . Cartoons.

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Ron >>  I really do not believe in a Boeing theory stating a 757 or smaller commercial airliner hit the building. It's simply too small when we have a look at the Pentagon video's. When it was a 757 we have to see something larger, for me a 20 inch missile is too small, a Global Hawk fits better and can hit all of the lightpoles, even though one of these was pointing into the wrong direction.


The 20-inch missile is the baby bear “just right” size from the Pentagon Security Video ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../a1-Frame1a.jpg ), but you can believe that big 123 million dollar Global Hawk hit the Pentagon if that makes Ron happy. :0)

GL,

Terral

ron1872 - November 2, 2007 10:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (mrn838 @ Nov 2 2007, 04:50 PM)

No parts of a Global Hawk were found. According to Globalsecurity.org, in March 2002 there were 3 Global Hawks in existence, the other 3 lost in various testing mishaps. So nobody would notice that these aircraft were missing? I think not.

Again, the profile of the Global Hawk does not match a passenger aircraft. Most of them actually reported a large aircraft, identified as an airliner, striking the Pentagon. The simple fact is that nobody could mistake a Global Hawk for a 757.

Unless it was painted in AA colours according to the Operation Northwood 'script'! The wingspan is about the same. I think not many people have seen a Global Hawk before 9/11 in real, because the first official long flight was in April 2001 that year from California to Australia. I wouldn't even think of a Global Hawk if I was not aware of it's existence at that time.



ron1872 - November 2, 2007 10:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 2 2007, 04:58 PM)


Are you beginning to see our problem? :0) Anyone investigating this case is not going to conclude any of these people saw a single-engine Global Hawk of any kind, shape or form. A Global Hawk is a funky looking aircraft that most folks could not accurately identify passing over their head, but these witnesses all saw a BIG PLANE and knew what the hell they where looking at. We know this Big Plane took down the light poles, because this is the same time Lloyd’s windshield was broken and all the poles went flying around. However, the firemen started running north ‘before’ the Decoy flew over the building and before the missile went ‘boom’ into the E-Ring wall. The A-3 then struck 5 minutes later as already described above.





The theory sounds good Terral, but has at least one weak place: witnesses of the fly-over aircraft, when it passed the Pentagon and heading north. I haven't seen something on that on the original mainstream media on 9/11 itself or via the internet.

mrn838 - November 2, 2007 11:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 2 2007, 04:07 PM)
Hi Mrn:

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Mrn >>  Except for the fact that the Global Hawk is much too small to be seriously considered a candidate, that the engine parts do in fact match the 757 . . .


The Global Hawk is what?? Too small? Please . . .

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/e.../dodvideos.html

user posted image

Take good long look at the Camera #2 of the missile nose section and tell everyone the BIG Global Hawk ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...obal_Hawk_2.jpg ) is too small. :0) Mrn is DREAMING again and having Flight 77 fantasies.

user posted image

This is where Mrn wants everyone to believe a 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour. :0) This view shows the massive size of the cable spools that are taller than a man with the second story floor standing not far above them, but Mrn says an almost 50-feet tall Jetliner crashed here. :0) Sorry, but all I can do is LAUGH out loud . . . Even if the hole was big enough (and it is not nearly), then you are still missing 100 tons of Jetliner no matter how you cut the mustard. Your statement above that the engine parts do indeed match a 757 is nothing but A LIE that Mrn cannot support with any kind of evidence. Even if you had 757-200 parts from a real Rolls-Royce RB211-535 Registry Number N644AA Flight 77 Jetliner (which you DO NOT), Mrn has no place in the E-Ring wall where anything like that ever crashed on 9/11 or any other day. The fact is that Flight 77 had hundreds of time-change parts with serial numbers and the government has not produced EVEN ONE to date. ZERO.

http://physics911.net/georgenelson

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American Airlines Flight 77

This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.

Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view . . With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 DID NOT fly into the Pentagon as alleged.


The Official Cover Story cronies running around here fail to realize Flight 77 and the Rolls-Royce engines had many indestructible ‘time-change’ parts and NONE have ever been presented by the government in this Pentagon case OR any of the other 911 cases. The idea that the FBI still has jurisdiction over these cases is the height of Congressional Complicity and STUPIDITY. The FAA says the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon wall at 9:32 AM ( http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa5.pdf ), but the FBI-provided Flight Data Recorder evidence, given to the National Transportation Safety Board ( http://web.archive.org/web/20061007032310/...+Study_AA77.pdf ) places Flight 77 outside Pentagon airspace at 9:32 AM at the official crash time. In short, all of Jim Ritter’s NTSB testimony is a fabricated LIE presented to build a DoD Cover Story and hide the absolute fact that a ‘rogue element’ working inside the Department of Defense itself murdered Navy/Defense Intelligence Personnel along with the ‘accountants, bookkeepers, audit managers and budget analysts’ ( http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011216pentagonp4.asp ) responsible for creating the paper trail back to the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU ). But, Mrn wants you to believe the Official Government Cover Story is the 911Truth. :0) All I see is another guy wearing a black hat around here . . .

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Mrn >>  . . . that nobody described which even remotely looked like a Global Hawk, that no frames are missing from the Pentagon tape it just has a very low framerate,


Listen to this guy. :0) He has no evidence for anything, but runs his LIES together faster than Senor Bushie can tell the illegals “Come and steal American identities and jobs!” Two frames are missing from camera #1 and camera #2 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9jW_8ZCUmg ) where the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane was censored from the images.

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Mrn >>  . . . and that no missile debris were found at the site but the bodies of passengers and Pentagon employees were found, your theory is quite sound.


LOL! This is the kind of junk hauled out at the JREF Board where CT Debunkers run around regurgitating Loyal Bushie LIES like good little lapdogs going ‘ruff, ruff,’ The DoD carried out the ‘inside job’ murder of innocent Army/Navy/Defense Personnel and as many accountant-types they could cram into the E, D, and C-Rings on a 45-degree south trajectory between Column Line (CL) 13 and CL 15.

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The DoD ‘rogue element’ military bad guys packed everyone marked for sterilization inside that red circle for the 9:31:39 party, before they ran to the other side of the Pentagon in anticipation of two big BOOMS some five minutes apart. Any first responders running to the rescue of any injured personnel were killed in the second 9:36:27 A-3 Jet attack, or the 60 Hour Witness Assassination ( http://web.archive.org/web/20060903234731/...01/278515.shtml ) that continued for the next three days. Any Flight 77 passenger victim DNA found at the Pentagon was planted there by the same DoD murdering bad guys that killed the Military and Civilian personnel targeted for assassination on 9/11. If Mrn’s Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon at 530 miles per hour, then how did this victim ( http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...manremains.html ) perish without one broken bone or one broken tooth or without his pants even burning??? Where is all the Flight 77 debris surrounding this victim??? And where is the Jetliner debris surrounding all the victims? The 6-ton engines are missing from vaporization, but we have victim bodies entirely intact. Anyone with half a brain can tell this crap is not adding up one bit . . . Mrn is pretending the government has been on the level all along, when they have obviously been LYING through their teeth just like Mrn.

If anyone here really believes Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, then go right now and start that thread and start hauling out your evidence! Do it! You come onto these threads and support Official Bushie LIES by mumbling NONSENSE you cannot support with any evidence, then you run away and hide without starting your “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Thread. You have no evidence and you are all cowards, if you can tell these LIES without defending that “Flight 77 Crashed Here” NONSENSE on your own thread! All of these Loyal Bushies have a big “L” for Loser painted on your foreheads with a big fat yellow strip down your back. But hey, Ron got a picture of a Flight 77-looking Global Hawk, even if nobody can prove anything like that ever hit the Pentagon either. :0)

GL,

Terral

Terral, If you look at the link you posted with the CCTV frames, you'll see the object you're pointing to as the tail section is still there in all the other frames so, I fail to see how it could be part of any aircraft.

If I'm interpreting you correctly, you now believe it was a Global Hawk which impacted? It seems your theory changes like the wind. To give some scale: http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/syste...f-9999x-001.jpg

Do you see any weapons pylons? No. The Global Hawk is a surveillance platform it isn't even armed! Oops sorry Terral were you having George Bush dreams again?

Okay I have had enough of you. HereRolls Royce clearly states that the RB211535 is used in the 757.Here is the diagram CLEARLY showing that those parts found do in fact match the RB211535. Do you still insist it is a lie? The flight data recorder was recovered and you can find the full analysis Here.

No Place? Again you'll find pictures

Here Do you honestly conclude that an aircraft going over 500 mph hitting a reinforced concrete building would leave a cookie cutter outline?

Again, pieces were just shown to you of engine parts found at the site. Your assertion that parts of the engine are "indestructible" is pure nonsense. Will they still be intact after a nuclear detonation? Obviously not. If you're referring to this as evidenced being carted off you're sadly mistaken.

Has the FBI ever publicly released physical evidence to the general public, especially in a matter of national security? No so why do you expect them to do so now, just to satisfy your paranoia?

Oh my Terral, the times do not match. My watch says 6:35, my computer says 6:37, the tv says 6:38, and my phone says 6:36. Does that mean there is a cover up? No. It means every clock in the world is not synchronized. Thank you captain obvious.

In short, you feel qualified as a keyboard warrior to dismiss expert testimony. I hardly think you are and you seem to have a very high opinion of yourself, annoyingly so actually. I'll skip all your usual conspiracy rabble.

I want him to believe the truth, the real truth. If he or you choses not to do so that is your choice but you are, at least in my view, wrong. By the way thanks for this, yet more eyewitness testimony of a plane coming in and spearing into the building.

So either the frames were censored by somebody in the government to cover up the murder of hundreds of Americans, and this happened before anyone outside the cabal was able to view the original, or the cameras are simply not in sync. I have a feeling I know which option you'll choose. Oh my Terral, your decoy plane didn't show up, nobody saw it so it must've been CENSORED AMIRITE???????

I see you ignore the COMPLETE lack of missile debris. Very telling. How exactly did they pack everyone in that area? Was this cabal also responsible for assigning offices in the Pentagon to different agenceis? Care to point out some A-3 debris for me? Oh wait those were never found either. 60 Hour Witness Assassination? Those people were fucking dead and for you to use them as pawns in your idiotic baseless theories galls me to no end. I see you're getting ahead of yourself. Please prove that that DNA was planted. Oops you can't do that either. What the fuck are you talking about Terral. You have no idea whatsoever if he died of internal injuries. Every single bone is his body could be broken and you wouldn't know it from this. His clothes look melted on to him to me so please stop spewing your pseudo-intellectual garbage. You have no idea if this man was on the plane or in the building either so debris is irrelevant but notice the charred rebar and building debris. Is that not enough for you? THEY ARE NOT MISSING FOR FUCKS SAKE. How many times must articles like this be posted before you get the point that the engines, or at least portions of them, were found?

Terral, the evidence has been shown MANY MANY TIMES and yet you ignore it. Will you believe it if it's posted in a separate thread? Of course not because you're so much "smarter" than us aren't you Terral? You're the one who was mumbling about missile shockwaves and couldn't even prove a Tomahawk was there, or that a Tomahawk can even go at supersonic speeds. You're the one whose got a big "P" for Psychotic on your forehead. Perhaps you had a psychological breakdown on Halloween like so many other nutjobs do. God knows I saw enough of it that night. Also, they can't prove a Global Hawk hit the Pentagon because it didn't.

ron1872 - November 3, 2007 02:40 AM (GMT)
@mrm

Can you show evidence the death bodies from flight AA77 were found on the Pentagon site and those were identified by DNA and dental analysis?

racerX - November 3, 2007 09:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ron1872 @ Nov 2 2007, 09:40 PM)
@mrm

Can you show evidence the death bodies from flight AA77 were found on the Pentagon site and those were identified by DNA and dental analysis?

What kind of question is this?

Nobody here has access to that kind of information and even if you were presented with some sort of dental analysis you could say you havent seen the actual theets or whatever...(?)

At some point people will need to understand that we're dealing with an attack on the Pentagon here... thats not supposed to happen heh? No matter what you believe you cant expect full disclosure on this... it wasnt supposed to happen one way or another...

What kind of freak show would it be if the Pentagon began dishing out statements like:

"Hey, we said it already, but here is additional proof that the people who died here really died here..."

wtf?

What do you expect? The plane crashed there... accept it or show evidence of the contrary...

Can you show evidence of AA77 bodies elsewhere?

That was just stupid... that really wasnt the question you should've been asking...


mrn838 - November 3, 2007 12:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ron1872 @ Nov 2 2007, 05:00 PM)
QUOTE (mrn838 @ Nov 2 2007, 04:50 PM)

No parts of a Global Hawk were found. According to Globalsecurity.org, in March 2002 there were 3 Global Hawks in existence, the other 3 lost in various testing mishaps. So nobody would notice that these aircraft were missing? I think not.

Again, the profile of the Global Hawk does not match a passenger aircraft. Most of them actually reported a large aircraft, identified as an airliner, striking the Pentagon. The simple fact is that nobody could mistake a Global Hawk for a 757.

Unless it was painted in AA colours according to the Operation Northwood 'script'! The wingspan is about the same. I think not many people have seen a Global Hawk before 9/11 in real, because the first official long flight was in April 2001 that year from California to Australia. I wouldn't even think of a Global Hawk if I was not aware of it's existence at that time.

Profile as in from the side, it just looks totally different. Notice the large engine, V shaped rudders, and very curved dorsal area. From the side, as well as the bottom, it would look like a weird aircraft painted in dumb colors, not a 757.

By the way, were you aware that nobody was supposed to die in Operation Northwoods and that even then it was REJECTED by the Kennedy administration back during the 60's?

mrn838 - November 3, 2007 01:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ron1872 @ Nov 2 2007, 09:40 PM)
@mrm

Can you show evidence the death bodies from flight AA77 were found on the Pentagon site and those were identified by DNA and dental analysis?

Sure. There's a nice presentation on it: http://tinyurl.com/juld8

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^ That's a diagram of where the DNA evidence was collected, and as for the pictures of human remains, they've been posted already several times so I won't do so again.

mrn838 - November 3, 2007 01:12 PM (GMT)
Oh and a little tidbit for Terral since I notice he still thinks a Tomahawk hit the Pentagon. While the diameter of the missile is 20 inches which you have correctly stated, it actually has a wingspan of 8' 9". Source

ron1872 - November 3, 2007 01:39 PM (GMT)
Another question: a complete AA repainted militairy aircraft, is that an option, considering the Northwoods script?

mrn838 - November 3, 2007 01:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ron1872 @ Nov 3 2007, 08:39 AM)
Another question: a complete AA repainted militairy aircraft, is that an option, considering the Northwoods script?

...No. Especially since the only 757's that the government operates are two aircraft used for Vice Presidential travel and 4 unmarked white aircraft used by the State Department for VIP transport and evacuation. None of those aircraft air polished aluminum which is the color scheme of American Airlines. So you couldn't really "paint" an aircraft to look like an AA 757 at all.

Terral - November 3, 2007 01:53 PM (GMT)
Hi Mrn and Racer:

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Mrn >>  Can you show evidence the death bodies from flight AA77 were found on the Pentagon site and those were identified by DNA and dental analysis?

Racer >>  What kind of question is this? Nobody here has access to that kind of information and even if you were presented with some sort of dental analysis you could say you haven’t seen the actual sheets or whatever...(?)


Both of you are missing the point completely by even talking about dental records. The government has no 60 tons of high grade aluminum, 6-ton Rolls-Royce Engines, fuselage, seats, cargo, landing gear or massive tail section, because all of that was supposedly destroyed in the crash.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA064&rpt=fi

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NTSB Report (File No. 19612 DCA01MA064 – 09/11/2001) Aircraft Reg No. N644AA >> 

Make/Model: Boeing/ 757-200
Engine Make/Model:
Aircraft Damage: Destroyed
Number of Engines:Unk/Nr
Operating Certificate(s): Flag Carrier/Domestic
Name of Carrier: American Airlines
Type of Flight Operation: Scheduled; Domestic; Passenger Only
Reg. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier


These boneheads even refuse to enter the Engine/Make Model, Number Of Engines, Time-Change Part Serial Numbers or anything actually relative to this case. How many LC members know the meaning of the term “Destroyed” well enough to know the Official Cover Story LIARS are attempting to run a carefully orchestrated “Cover-Up Operation” through ‘all’ of these government agencies including the National Transportation Safety Board and the National Technical Information Service (NTIS) mandated to ensure ‘information quality standards’ for all these government documents? Jim Ritter from the NTSB is A LIAR and every government agency corroborating his LIES is regurgitating Jim Ritter LIES over and over again in these bogus government Reports. Expert testimony from military sources tell us a completely different story than Jim Ritter and his NTSB LIARS, because every Jumbo Jet has many indestructible time-change parts that simply cannot be destroyed by hydrocarbon fires. PERIOD! Colonel George Nelson USAF ( http://physics911.net/georgenelson ) has already been quoted on this thread and nobody here can refute a single word. There is no evidence whatsoever on record that Flight 77 crashed anywhere near the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day finding our government LYING about everything. Mrn and Racer are going on about ‘dental records,’ when the government has provided evidence of MUCH MORE.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...manremains.html

Go ahead and pretend the government does not have picture after picture after picture of Flight 77 victims showing all kinds of Jetliner debris in the background that nobody here has seen reconstructed in any hanger part of any real investigation. What makes anyone believe we need dental records to identify this victim, when his wallet is likely stuffed in his unburned back pocket??? These DoD Inside Job ‘rogue military element’ bad guys were not even smart enough to run their burned passenger bodies into a brick wall to simulate a real Jetliner crash, because they believe every 911Truth Investigator is as stupid as Mrn and Racer. This is the kind of blatant contradiction in the Pentagon evidence that does not require any kind of superior investigation skills, but even the simple things seem to escape your notice. If you go down to the second picture and look at the left-hand victim in the blue-stripped shirt with his back facing you, then you will see his black-leather wallet stuffed into this front pants pocket. Hey, maybe a copy of his dental records is inside his wallet! Lord . . . I have traveled a bunch (lived overseas) and have taken enough Jumbo Jet rides to know we are less likely to have a wallet picked from our front pants pocket. However, this guy had ‘DoD ‘rogue element’ bad guys’ in need his charred DNA for their “Flight 77 Hit The Pentagon” Official Cover Story, so the Loyal Bushie FBI could assume jurisdiction and begin investigating themselves. Does someone want to explain how an entire 100-Ton Jetliner vaporized around these victims, but even their cloths are not burned?? Those of you trying to defend the Official Government LIES make this 911Truther sick to his stomach, because you come here every day to help the real bad guys get away with murdering innocent US Citizens; so they can get away with stealing the 2.3 Trillion dollars. At least the real bad guys committed these crimes FOR THE MONEY, but you run diversion for their Cover Story FOR FREE. That should make every Inside Job Cover-Story Cronie here very proud indeed. Here goes one now . . .

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Racer >>  At some point people will need to understand that we're dealing with an attack on the Pentagon here... thats not supposed to happen heh? No matter what you believe you cant expect full disclosure on this... it wasnt supposed to happen one way or another...


What? The DoD MADE THIS HAPPEN by striking the Navy Operations Center at 9:31:39 AM to murder as many ‘good guys’ as possible. Flight 77 never turned around to begin an eastbound trek back towards the Pentagon ( http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm ). ALL of that FDR data is fabricated by the same DoD bad guys responsible for ALL these 9/11 attacks.

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Racer >>  What kind of freak show would it be if the Pentagon began dishing out statements like: "Hey, we said it already, but here is additional proof that the people who died here really died here..."


The DoD/FBI/CIA cronies carried out these attacks and the FBI-led ‘so-called’ Investigation (what a HOAX) is nothing but a DoD-led Cover-Up Operation where ALL these government Reports (911Commmission, NIST, ACAAR, NTSB, etc.) contain nothing but ‘misinformation and disinformation’ intentionally entered to conceal the 911Truth from We The People.

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Racer >>  wtf? What do you expect? The plane crashed there... accept it or show evidence of the contrary...


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No 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into this wall going 530 miles per hour and most everyone here knows that already. Racer can start his “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Thread and start hauling out his evidence to support that BOGUS claim anytime he gets ready. These guys come to this LC Pentagon Forum empty handed with no evidence for Flight 77 crashing ANYWHERE, but they make these unsupported claims on a regular basis in support of Loyal Bushie/DoD/FBI LIES anyway.

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Racer >>  Can you show evidence of AA77 bodies elsewhere?


Yes, but posting that again would be SPAM. :0)

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Racer >>  That was just stupid... that really wasnt the question you should've been asking...


Pot meet kettle. If either of you guys really believe a 100-Ton Jetliner ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...tAtPentagon.jpg ) crashed into this standing E-Ring wall ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../pentmorris.jpg ) than start that thread ASAP and start defending your NONSENSE. Otherwise you should start aligning your theories with the evidence and stop beating your drums leading the Loyal Bushie/DoD/FBI Charade . . .

GL,

Terral

mrn838 - November 3, 2007 02:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 3 2007, 08:53 AM)
Hi Mrn and Racer:

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Mrn >>  Can you show evidence the death bodies from flight AA77 were found on the Pentagon site and those were identified by DNA and dental analysis?

Racer >>  What kind of question is this? Nobody here has access to that kind of information and even if you were presented with some sort of dental analysis you could say you haven’t seen the actual sheets or whatever...(?)


Both of you are missing the point completely by even talking about dental records. The government has no 60 tons of high grade aluminum, 6-ton Rolls-Royce Engines, fuselage, seats, cargo, landing gear or massive tail section, because all of that was supposedly destroyed in the crash.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA064&rpt=fi

QUOTE
NTSB Report (File No. 19612 DCA01MA064 – 09/11/2001) Aircraft Reg No. N644AA >> 

Make/Model: Boeing/ 757-200
Engine Make/Model:
Aircraft Damage: Destroyed
Number of Engines:Unk/Nr
Operating Certificate(s): Flag Carrier/Domestic
Name of Carrier: American Airlines
Type of Flight Operation: Scheduled; Domestic; Passenger Only
Reg. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier


These boneheads even refuse to enter the Engine/Make Model, Number Of Engines, Time-Change Part Serial Numbers or anything actually relative to this case. How many LC members know the meaning of the term “Destroyed” well enough to know the Official Cover Story LIARS are attempting to run a carefully orchestrated “Cover-Up Operation” through ‘all’ of these government agencies including the National Transportation Safety Board and the National Technical Information Service (NTIS) mandated to ensure ‘information quality standards’ for all these government documents? Jim Ritter from the NTSB is A LIAR and every government agency corroborating his LIES is regurgitating Jim Ritter LIES over and over again in these bogus government Reports. Expert testimony from military sources tell us a completely different story than Jim Ritter and his NTSB LIARS, because every Jumbo Jet has many indestructible time-change parts that simply cannot be destroyed by hydrocarbon fires. PERIOD! Colonel George Nelson USAF ( http://physics911.net/georgenelson ) has already been quoted on this thread and nobody here can refute a single word. There is no evidence whatsoever on record that Flight 77 crashed anywhere near the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day finding our government LYING about everything. Mrn and Racer are going on about ‘dental records,’ when the government has provided evidence of MUCH MORE.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...manremains.html

Go ahead and pretend the government does not have picture after picture after picture of Flight 77 victims showing all kinds of Jetliner debris in the background that nobody here has seen reconstructed in any hanger part of any real investigation. What makes anyone believe we need dental records to identify this victim, when his wallet is likely stuffed in his unburned back pocket??? These DoD Inside Job ‘rogue military element’ bad guys were not even smart enough to run their burned passenger bodies into a brick wall to simulate a real Jetliner crash, because they believe every 911Truth Investigator is as stupid as Mrn and Racer. This is the kind of blatant contradiction in the Pentagon evidence that does not require any kind of superior investigation skills, but even the simple things seem to escape your notice. If you go down to the second picture and look at the left-hand victim in the blue-stripped shirt with his back facing you, then you will see his black-leather wallet stuffed into this front pants pocket. Hey, maybe a copy of his dental records is inside his wallet! Lord . . . I have traveled a bunch (lived overseas) and have taken enough Jumbo Jet rides to know we are less likely to have a wallet picked from our front pants pocket. However, this guy had ‘DoD ‘rogue element’ bad guys’ in need his charred DNA for their “Flight 77 Hit The Pentagon” Official Cover Story, so the Loyal Bushie FBI could assume jurisdiction and begin investigating themselves. Does someone want to explain how an entire 100-Ton Jetliner vaporized around these victims, but even their cloths are not burned?? Those of you trying to defend the Official Government LIES make this 911Truther sick to his stomach, because you come here every day to help the real bad guys get away with murdering innocent US Citizens; so they can get away with stealing the 2.3 Trillion dollars. At least the real bad guys committed these crimes FOR THE MONEY, but you run diversion for their Cover Story FOR FREE. That should make every Inside Job Cover-Story Cronie here very proud indeed. Here goes one now . . .

QUOTE
Racer >>  At some point people will need to understand that we're dealing with an attack on the Pentagon here... thats not supposed to happen heh? No matter what you believe you cant expect full disclosure on this... it wasnt supposed to happen one way or another...


What? The DoD MADE THIS HAPPEN by striking the Navy Operations Center at 9:31:39 AM to murder as many ‘good guys’ as possible. Flight 77 never turned around to begin an eastbound trek back towards the Pentagon ( http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm ). ALL of that FDR data is fabricated by the same DoD bad guys responsible for ALL these 9/11 attacks.

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Racer >>  What kind of freak show would it be if the Pentagon began dishing out statements like: "Hey, we said it already, but here is additional proof that the people who died here really died here..."


The DoD/FBI/CIA cronies carried out these attacks and the FBI-led ‘so-called’ Investigation (what a HOAX) is nothing but a DoD-led Cover-Up Operation where ALL these government Reports (911Commmission, NIST, ACAAR, NTSB, etc.) contain nothing but ‘misinformation and disinformation’ intentionally entered to conceal the 911Truth from We The People.

QUOTE
Racer >>  wtf? What do you expect? The plane crashed there... accept it or show evidence of the contrary...


user posted image

No 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into this wall going 530 miles per hour and most everyone here knows that already. Racer can start his “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Thread and start hauling out his evidence to support that BOGUS claim anytime he gets ready. These guys come to this LC Pentagon Forum empty handed with no evidence for Flight 77 crashing ANYWHERE, but they make these unsupported claims on a regular basis in support of Loyal Bushie/DoD/FBI LIES anyway.

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Racer >>  Can you show evidence of AA77 bodies elsewhere?


Yes, but posting that again would be SPAM. :0)

QUOTE
Racer >>  That was just stupid... that really wasnt the question you should've been asking...


Pot meet kettle. If either of you guys really believe a 100-Ton Jetliner ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...tAtPentagon.jpg ) crashed into this standing E-Ring wall ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../pentmorris.jpg ) than start that thread ASAP and start defending your NONSENSE. Otherwise you should start aligning your theories with the evidence and stop beating your drums leading the Loyal Bushie/DoD/FBI Charade . . .

GL,

Terral

As usual you have nothing whatsoever to say.

You can't tell if he has suffered internal injuries! Every single bone in his body could be broken in that picture, and yet you try to say he died unscathed. In other words you have NO evidence for ANYTHING. Can you prove that 2.3 trillion dollars was actually stolen by one group as opposed to being lost due to over-billing, incompetence, accounting errors, and yes inevitably some corruption? No you cannot.

Oh really? Yes Terral knows better than the experienced NTSB, FAA, and FBI investigators so the FDR was OBVIOUSLY faked. /sarcasm

Disregarding your 100-ton jetliner claim, you seem to be confused. ron was asking me for the DNA evidence, and racer was quoting that, I never asked for any such evidence BECAUSE I KNOW IT EXISTS AND I HAVE SEEN IT MYSELF. Terral your theories have been butchered to death in every possible way on this forum. You post that same picture over and over, omitting that the picture isn't even of the impact site which is on the extreme right of this photo, and even then obscured by smoke.

Terral, for the last time, your theories are garbage and have been disproved with the ACTUAL evidence, rather than your baseless assertions. Please state your proof that the 2.3 trillion dollars was stolen, that those accountants were anywhere close to tracking it down, and any evidence whatsoever of the plane flying away from the Pentagon. At least you've abandoned your cruise missile nonsense.

ron1872 - November 3, 2007 02:35 PM (GMT)
@Terral:

1. About your theory: do you have information or links to witnesses that saw a fly-over plane from the opposite site of the Pentagon, which can support your theory?

2. There seems to be five theories about the Pentagon strike. Do you have the links to them on LC so I can have a look at them the coming weeks?

Thanks!

Terral - November 3, 2007 04:32 PM (GMT)
Hi Mrn:

Thank you for lending your assistance in making my point from the previous post. My reply to Mrn and Racer above was posted at 9:53 AM (Eastern Time) and Mrn’s reply was posted just 20 minutes later (10:13 AM) without any third-party support for ANYTHING. The guy quotes my entire post without addressing one argument to begin grandstanding in defense of Official Bushie/DoD/FBI LIES. How many Topics has Mrn started in this LC Pentagon Forum? Click on his name ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...p?showuser=7543 ) to click on “Find All Topics By This Member” to get this error message:

QUOTE
The error returned was:

Sorry, but we did not find any matches to display. Try again and broaden your search criteria. If you were searching for new posts since your last visit, it's possible that there are none to show.


This Mrn cartoon character does not have any “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” thesis papers posted on the Board, because he has NO Topics started anywhere and is defending no explanations for ANYTHING. However, click on Terral’s name ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...p?showuser=6743 ) and do the same thing to find . . .

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...lluser&mid=6743

. . . thirteen threads where I am defending my 911Truth Pentagon Theories with eight in this Pentagon Forum. Anyone wanting to attack any of my 911Truth Pentagon explanations has plenty of opportunity to “quote >>” from any of those OP’s to start your ‘debunking’ (heh). Do it! We are all waiting. The same thing cannot be said for Mrn or many of these chat-monkeys running from thread to thread spreading their scent trail like animals marking their territory. I have NO regard at all for LC members running around offering their NONSENSE rebuttals, when they do not have the courage or conviction to lay out their explanations in an orderly manner for the careful inspection and rebuttals of everyone here. If you cannot start your “Fight 77 Crashed Into the Pentagon” Topic in this LC Pentagon Forum, then coming onto Ron’s thread to make those BOGUS claims means NOTHING AT ALL. Zero! Ron just got here and he already has more OP's than Mrn. :0) These people are nothing but trolls running around making trouble for the LC members actually taking these Pentagon Topics very seriously with the introduction of their STUPIDITY based upon NOTHING but their own foolishness and bad intentions. Mrn is attempting to answer my supported statements above with more nonsense:

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Mrn >>  As usual you have nothing whatsoever to say.


Really? That is why Mrn chose to offer this ridiculous reply. :0) All of my arguments above are based upon sound investigation principles and common reasoning based upon the facts.

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Mrn >>  You can't tell if he has suffered internal injuries!


LOL! 100 tons of Jetliner is missing, because the government reports say it was ‘DESTROYED,’ but we have intact bodies from the survivors where their clothes are not even burned. :0) Then this Mrn character has the nerve to talk about internal injuries. If the entire PLANE vaporized into thin air, then human skin and clothing could not possibly survive!!! The three victims in these pictures ( http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...manremains.html ) show NO SIGN of having any broken bones, as all limbs appear intact and in proper alignment. The third victim (lower picture on left of #83) has been moved, as evidenced by his shirt being pulled up from inside his pants to reveal the light blue stripped unburned area. However his back/spinal area appears to be in perfect alignment with his lower body indicating nothing is broken. Mrn fails to realize the significance of this ‘human skin/clothing’ remaining evidence in light of the missing 100-Ton Jetliner that was ‘DESTROYED’ in this supposed hijacking accident.

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Mrn >>  Every single bone in his body could be broken in that picture, and yet you try to say he died unscathed.


No sir. Broken bodies from a 530 MPH Jetliner crash are disfigured, broken, mutilated and contorted in every conceivable direction. When the entire Jetliner vaporizes into thin air, the perishable clothing and whatnot from passengers is supposed to vaporize along with the other 100 tons of metal, engines, seats and everything else. Just the fact that you have no Rolls-Royce engines and all these intact bodies spells DOOM for the Official Bushie/DoD/FBI Cover Story, whether you realize that today or not.

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Mrn >>  In other words you have NO evidence for ANYTHING.


This guy has no Pentagon Topics defending his Official Flight 77 Cover Story NONSENSE, but his bogus claim is that my side of the debate has no evidence. :0) That Mrn finger pointed at me reveals three witnesses accusing him of having no Pentagon case for ANYTHING.

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Mrn >>  Can you prove that 2.3 trillion dollars was actually stolen by one group as opposed to being lost due to over-billing, incompetence, accounting errors, and yes inevitably some corruption? No you cannot.


Mrn is certainly very defensive over the missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU ), when his Cover Story says the Pentagon was attacked by a band of Bearded Jihadist Box-cutter-toting Radicals. :0) The fact that the government has been LYING from the beginning about ALL these 9/11 Cases is proof ‘they’ are hiding more than just the stolen cash! But, Mrn likes defending a bunch of lying, murdering thieves running their Cover-Up Operation with more lies and deceitful scheming, even though nobody here can produce one picture of Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE.

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Mrn >>  Oh really? Yes Terral knows better than the experienced NTSB, FAA, and FBI investigators so the FDR was OBVIOUSLY faked. /sarcasm


Nobody from my side of the debate has accused the FAA of anything, because the evidence (thus far) says they are only guilty of failing to follow through on specific aspects of their own investigations. However, the 911Commission, NTSB, ACAAR and NIST Reports are all fabricated LIES purposely drafted part of the ongoing DoD/FBI Cover-Up Operation riddled with misstatements of the facts, errors of omission and deliberate entries of disinformation to throw future investigations off the track of the real Inside Job ‘Rogue Military Element’ Bad Guys pulling all the puppet strings.

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Mrn >>  Disregarding your 100-ton jetliner claim, you seem to be confused. ron was asking me for the DNA evidence, and racer was quoting that, I never asked for any such evidence BECAUSE I KNOW IT EXISTS AND I HAVE SEEN IT MYSELF.


None of your DNA evidence means anything, if Mrn cannot prove Flight 77 actually crashed into the Pentagon; which YOU CANNOT and neither can anyone here. Look down the Pentagon Board for just one “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Thread and you will not find one. The Official Cover Story cronies here are gutless cowards without a case and they very well know it, which is why they spread disinformation on our threads.

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Mrn >.  Terral your theories have been butchered to death in every possible way on this forum.


In your dreams. :0) Mrn does not even have one Loose Change Thread, so start boasting when you have over ten like Terral. The very best anyone here has done is offer his or her opposing arguments, so our third party readers and judges can judge all sides to draw informed conclusions. Mrn is making another bogus claim he cannot even begin to support with evidence – as usual.

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Mrn >>  You post that same picture over and over, omitting that the picture isn't even of the impact site which is on the extreme right of this photo, and even then obscured by smoke.


Really? Which photo would that be? Oh, we are supposed to read Mrn’s deluded mind like we are supposed read from his nonexistent Pentagon Topic threads to figure out exactly which Pentagon Theories he is espousing and defending. :0) This Mrn character has NO credibility and NO track record presenting OR defending any Pentagon explanations for ANYTHING, so he has no business making these kinds of STUPID statements.

user posted image

This is where Mrn claims a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour with only two windows missing on the second floor and all the windows intact on the third floor. :0) The distance from the top of the SUV to the bottom of the still-intact second floor is about six feet, but Mrn’s almost 50-feet tall Jetliner crashed right through here. :0) Then (like morons), we are just supposed to forget about the simple fact that nobody has ever placed any Flight 77 time-change parts at this crime scene, even if the impact hole was big enough. :0) I cannot help but LAUGH at these guys standing with Senor Bushie, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the LYING Bushie Administration claiming a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed here, when anyone with half a brain can see that is very much IMPOSSIBLE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA ). Expert after expert after expert gives testimony in that short video drawing the exact same conclusions that NO 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon and certainly not Flight 77. Mr. Mrn can come out here and embarrass himself every day and twice on Sunday if he is really in to self degradation, because even the CIT TV Chat-Monkeys laugh like crazy over his nonsense. :0)

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Mrn >>  Terral, for the last time, your theories are garbage and have been disproved with the ACTUAL evidence, rather than your baseless assertions.


Really? Heh . . . Please forgive, but Mrn saying so means less than nothing. Go start your first Pentagon Topic using whatever you call “Flight 77 Crashed Here” evidence, so we can all have an Elmo Big LAUGH ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2287763259128970612 ). :0) Someone please help me stop laughing . . .

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Mrn >>  Please state your proof that the 2.3 trillion dollars was stolen, that those accountants were anywhere close to tracking it down, and any evidence whatsoever of the plane flying away from the Pentagon. At least you've abandoned your cruise missile nonsense.


Heh . . . ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2287763259128970612 ) :0). Mrn = No Topics. Mrn = No Pentagon Credibility about anything . . . NONE. Start that “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Topic in this LC Pentagon Forum TODAY, or have the common sense to close your mouth and appear wise (Proverbs 17:28) . . . http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/pop...&version=kjv#28

GL with that Opening Post, :0)

Terral

Terral - November 3, 2007 04:52 PM (GMT)
Hi Ron:

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Ron >>  1. About your theory: do you have information or links to witnesses that saw a fly-over plane from the opposite site of the Pentagon, which can support your theory?


From the opposite side of the Pentagon? Heh . . . Where is that Laughing Elmo link already. :0) You are the one needing witnesses to a 123 million dollar unmanned Global Hawk aircraft flying anywhere near the Pentagon, so let’s not get ourselves confused. You were already presented with testimony from Lloyd, Terry Cohen and Alan Wallace in the middle of Page 1 (Nov 2 2007, 05:58 PM) of your thread, as all were on the Southwest side of the Pentagon at the time. We have plenty of plane/pole witnesses ( http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/9...ttack-what.html ) corroborating their stories with perspectives on the same Route 27 side of the Pentagon. Does Ron have one witness seeing a funky-looking 15-feet tall Global Hawk ( http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/ghdsc00399.jpg ) flying anywhere near the Pentagon? :0) I rest my case . . .

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Ron >>  2. There seems to be five theories about the Pentagon strike. Do you have the links to them on LC so I can have a look at them the coming weeks?


Just five? :0) You can look down the LC Pentagon Board and see my threads on this topic, if my views interest you at all. Even though I currently have a serious distaste and dislike for Killtown over deleting my work from his website, the guy has some outstanding work in the area of the many different Pentagon theories (11):

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/theories.html

Your Global Hawk Theory is number 4 on the list. No. Killtown does not list my theory and that thread was deleted from his Discussion Board, but thankfully we have a copy on the LC Board beyond his ability to censor . . .

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=16120

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Ron >>  Thanks!


No problem partner.

GL,

Terral

SPreston - November 3, 2007 05:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ron1872)
Ron >>  Thanks!
QUOTE (Terral Lee Croft)
No problem partner.

Partner today. Chat Monkey tomorrow. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ron1872 - November 3, 2007 06:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SPreston @ Nov 3 2007, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (ron1872)
Ron >>  Thanks!
QUOTE (Terral Lee Croft)
No problem partner.

Partner today. Chat Monkey tomorrow. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LOL :lol: :lol:

ron1872 - November 3, 2007 06:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 3 2007, 11:52 AM)
Hi Ron:

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Ron >>  1. About your theory: do you have information or links to witnesses that saw a fly-over plane from the opposite site of the Pentagon, which can support your theory?


From the opposite side of the Pentagon? Heh . . . Where is that Laughing Elmo link already. :0) You are the one needing witnesses to a 123 million dollar unmanned Global Hawk aircraft flying anywhere near the Pentagon, so let’s not get ourselves confused. You were already presented with testimony from Lloyd, Terry Cohen and Alan Wallace in the middle of Page 1 (Nov 2 2007, 05:58 PM) of your thread, as all were on the Southwest side of the Pentagon at the time. We have plenty of plane/pole witnesses ( http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/9...ttack-what.html ) corroborating their stories with perspectives on the same Route 27 side of the Pentagon. Does Ron have one witness seeing a funky-looking 15-feet tall Global Hawk ( http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/ghdsc00399.jpg ) flying anywhere near the Pentagon? :0) I rest my case . . .

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Ron >>  2. There seems to be five theories about the Pentagon strike. Do you have the links to them on LC so I can have a look at them the coming weeks?


Just five? :0) You can look down the LC Pentagon Board and see my threads on this topic, if my views interest you at all. Even though I currently have a serious distaste and dislike for Killtown over deleting my work from his website, the guy has some outstanding work in the area of the many different Pentagon theories (11):

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/theories.html

Your Global Hawk Theory is number 4 on the list. No. Killtown does not list my theory and that thread was deleted from his Discussion Board, but thankfully we have a copy on the LC Board beyond his ability to censor . . .

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=16120




OK we will discuss it all over here on a Dutch forum also, maybe we can add some usefull stuff. At least get some support and understanding for the case.

About the opposite site I did mean the north side! The plane came from the south/south-east if I have a look at a map and if it was a fly-over plane there should be witnesses who have seen this. Can be hard because of the area with 20.000 people working at the Pentagon, but perhaps some civilians?

ron1872 - November 3, 2007 09:30 PM (GMT)
An interesting story for the A3 Sky Warrior theory:

http://tomflocco.com/fs/WitnessesLink.htm


Terral - November 4, 2007 01:57 PM (GMT)
Hi Ron:

Ron and I are on the same page. :0)

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Ron >>  An interesting story for the A3 Sky Warrior theory: http://tomflocco.com/fs/WitnessesLink.htm


Thank you for posting the very good link to the very good supporting article that should help these readers draw better Pentagon conclusions. The archive copy is here: http://web.archive.org/web/20051001051406/...tnessesLink.htm . Many Karl B. Schwarz links have been trashed in one way or another like his person gets trashed by many DoD Cover-Up Operation operatives working feverishly to hide ‘the’ 911Truth from We The People. Karl’s “A-3 / Missile Retrofit” evidence just happens to support my ‘multiple attack’ theory 100 percent, even if some of the details require editing my original explanations. What appears to have really happened at the Pentagon looks more like this:

The "AA-painted A-3 Remote-controlled Jet" descended from 7000 feet on the 270-degree turn towards the Pentagon ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...3/017-large.jpg ) , according to Steve Koeppel’s Analysis ( http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm ), but the Missile was released early on to give the A-3 Jet time to run diversion for the 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike. The A-3 Jet continued flying at 500 knots towards the Pentagon, but the missile lagged behind to begin ‘supersonic’ acceleration for the final attack run just beyond the Route 27 Cloverleaf. However, the DoD bad guy on the A-3 Jet remote-control joystick failed to realize the missile would create a ‘bow shockwave’ and turbulence that caused the Jet to lose altitude. The Missile passed only a few feet from Pole #1 ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...rceSideDemo.jpg ) on the ‘south side,’ when the A-3 was passing over the Citgo Station using the South of Citgo Flight path; which uprooted the light pole to pop the thing up into the air directly into the A-3 starboard wing propelling the light pole ‘north’ into Lloyd’s taxi windshield coming from the other direction. The A-3 Joystick operator attempted to make the correction with a ‘right-hand’ quick turn maneuver, which dropped the starboard wing to clip Pole 2, 3, 4 and 5. The Missile was supposed to strike the Wedge One Column Line (CL) 14 location to murder all the military/civilian personnel between CL 13 and CL 15 on the 45-degree angle trajectory heading ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...eTrajectory.jpg ), which included Navy/Defense Intelligence Personnel ( http://911research.com/sept11/victims/docs...gon_victims.jpg ) about to launch Navy Jets and Accounting/Bookkeeping Personnel ( http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011216pentagonp4.asp ) creating the paper trail back to the missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU ).

The A-3 Joystick operator intended on flying the A-3 Jet into the E-Ring wall at CL 11 where the attacking the columns south of this control joint ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../NoFight2-5.jpg ) allowed for E-Ring Roof collapse at 9:31:39 AM in the initial attack. However, the joystick operator overreacted from the problems created by striking all these ‘breakaway’ light poles, as he became afraid the A-3 Jet would crash into the Pentagon lawn and ruin the Official DoD/FBI Flight 77 Cover Story. That is why he pulled back on the joystick and the A-3 Jet passed over the E-Ring wall, so the DoD had to censor the Security footage ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9jW_8ZCUmg ) to hide this evidence from We The People. The A-3 then made a wide turn to strike the Pentagon at 9:36:27 AM, just 4 minutes and 48 seconds later, in a failed attempt to bring the E-Ring roof down as near 9:31:39 AM as possible. The problem is the DoD did not have the ‘outward’ missile impact explosion timed with the CL 11 attack, which caused the E-Ring wall between CL 11 and 18 to drop one foot and wedge itself so tightly that the DoD could not manage to bring the E-Ring wall down until 10:15 AM; after many Controlled Demolition Explosions ( my Timeline thread here = http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=16510 ).

The downed light poles, two attacks and Lloyd's Light Pole involvement turn out to be big mistakes the DoD Inside Job bad guys have been working to 'cover up' for the past six years. :0)

Thanks again for the excellent link helping to make my ‘multiple attack’ case.

GL,

Terral

mrn838 - November 4, 2007 04:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 3 2007, 11:32 AM)
Hi Mrn:

Thank you for lending your assistance in making my point from the previous post. My reply to Mrn and Racer above was posted at 9:53 AM (Eastern Time) and Mrn’s reply was posted just 20 minutes later (10:13 AM) without any third-party support for ANYTHING. The guy quotes my entire post without addressing one argument to begin grandstanding in defense of Official Bushie/DoD/FBI LIES. How many Topics has Mrn started in this LC Pentagon Forum? Click on his name ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...p?showuser=7543 ) to click on “Find All Topics By This Member” to get this error message:

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The error returned was:

Sorry, but we did not find any matches to display. Try again and broaden your search criteria. If you were searching for new posts since your last visit, it's possible that there are none to show.


This Mrn cartoon character does not have any “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” thesis papers posted on the Board, because he has NO Topics started anywhere and is defending no explanations for ANYTHING. However, click on Terral’s name ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...p?showuser=6743 ) and do the same thing to find . . .

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...lluser&mid=6743

. . . thirteen threads where I am defending my 911Truth Pentagon Theories with eight in this Pentagon Forum. Anyone wanting to attack any of my 911Truth Pentagon explanations has plenty of opportunity to “quote >>” from any of those OP’s to start your ‘debunking’ (heh). Do it! We are all waiting. The same thing cannot be said for Mrn or many of these chat-monkeys running from thread to thread spreading their scent trail like animals marking their territory. I have NO regard at all for LC members running around offering their NONSENSE rebuttals, when they do not have the courage or conviction to lay out their explanations in an orderly manner for the careful inspection and rebuttals of everyone here. If you cannot start your “Fight 77 Crashed Into the Pentagon” Topic in this LC Pentagon Forum, then coming onto Ron’s thread to make those BOGUS claims means NOTHING AT ALL. Zero! Ron just got here and he already has more OP's than Mrn. :0) These people are nothing but trolls running around making trouble for the LC members actually taking these Pentagon Topics very seriously with the introduction of their STUPIDITY based upon NOTHING but their own foolishness and bad intentions. Mrn is attempting to answer my supported statements above with more nonsense:

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Mrn >>  As usual you have nothing whatsoever to say.


Really? That is why Mrn chose to offer this ridiculous reply. :0) All of my arguments above are based upon sound investigation principles and common reasoning based upon the facts.

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Mrn >>  You can't tell if he has suffered internal injuries!


LOL! 100 tons of Jetliner is missing, because the government reports say it was ‘DESTROYED,’ but we have intact bodies from the survivors where their clothes are not even burned. :0) Then this Mrn character has the nerve to talk about internal injuries. If the entire PLANE vaporized into thin air, then human skin and clothing could not possibly survive!!! The three victims in these pictures ( http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...manremains.html ) show NO SIGN of having any broken bones, as all limbs appear intact and in proper alignment. The third victim (lower picture on left of #83) has been moved, as evidenced by his shirt being pulled up from inside his pants to reveal the light blue stripped unburned area. However his back/spinal area appears to be in perfect alignment with his lower body indicating nothing is broken. Mrn fails to realize the significance of this ‘human skin/clothing’ remaining evidence in light of the missing 100-Ton Jetliner that was ‘DESTROYED’ in this supposed hijacking accident.

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Mrn >>  Every single bone in his body could be broken in that picture, and yet you try to say he died unscathed.


No sir. Broken bodies from a 530 MPH Jetliner crash are disfigured, broken, mutilated and contorted in every conceivable direction. When the entire Jetliner vaporizes into thin air, the perishable clothing and whatnot from passengers is supposed to vaporize along with the other 100 tons of metal, engines, seats and everything else. Just the fact that you have no Rolls-Royce engines and all these intact bodies spells DOOM for the Official Bushie/DoD/FBI Cover Story, whether you realize that today or not.

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Mrn >>  In other words you have NO evidence for ANYTHING.


This guy has no Pentagon Topics defending his Official Flight 77 Cover Story NONSENSE, but his bogus claim is that my side of the debate has no evidence. :0) That Mrn finger pointed at me reveals three witnesses accusing him of having no Pentagon case for ANYTHING.

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Mrn >>  Can you prove that 2.3 trillion dollars was actually stolen by one group as opposed to being lost due to over-billing, incompetence, accounting errors, and yes inevitably some corruption? No you cannot.


Mrn is certainly very defensive over the missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU ), when his Cover Story says the Pentagon was attacked by a band of Bearded Jihadist Box-cutter-toting Radicals. :0) The fact that the government has been LYING from the beginning about ALL these 9/11 Cases is proof ‘they’ are hiding more than just the stolen cash! But, Mrn likes defending a bunch of lying, murdering thieves running their Cover-Up Operation with more lies and deceitful scheming, even though nobody here can produce one picture of Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE.

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Mrn >>  Oh really? Yes Terral knows better than the experienced NTSB, FAA, and FBI investigators so the FDR was OBVIOUSLY faked. /sarcasm


Nobody from my side of the debate has accused the FAA of anything, because the evidence (thus far) says they are only guilty of failing to follow through on specific aspects of their own investigations. However, the 911Commission, NTSB, ACAAR and NIST Reports are all fabricated LIES purposely drafted part of the ongoing DoD/FBI Cover-Up Operation riddled with misstatements of the facts, errors of omission and deliberate entries of disinformation to throw future investigations off the track of the real Inside Job ‘Rogue Military Element’ Bad Guys pulling all the puppet strings.

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Mrn >>  Disregarding your 100-ton jetliner claim, you seem to be confused. ron was asking me for the DNA evidence, and racer was quoting that, I never asked for any such evidence BECAUSE I KNOW IT EXISTS AND I HAVE SEEN IT MYSELF.


None of your DNA evidence means anything, if Mrn cannot prove Flight 77 actually crashed into the Pentagon; which YOU CANNOT and neither can anyone here. Look down the Pentagon Board for just one “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Thread and you will not find one. The Official Cover Story cronies here are gutless cowards without a case and they very well know it, which is why they spread disinformation on our threads.

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Mrn >.  Terral your theories have been butchered to death in every possible way on this forum.


In your dreams. :0) Mrn does not even have one Loose Change Thread, so start boasting when you have over ten like Terral. The very best anyone here has done is offer his or her opposing arguments, so our third party readers and judges can judge all sides to draw informed conclusions. Mrn is making another bogus claim he cannot even begin to support with evidence – as usual.

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Mrn >>  You post that same picture over and over, omitting that the picture isn't even of the impact site which is on the extreme right of this photo, and even then obscured by smoke.


Really? Which photo would that be? Oh, we are supposed to read Mrn’s deluded mind like we are supposed read from his nonexistent Pentagon Topic threads to figure out exactly which Pentagon Theories he is espousing and defending. :0) This Mrn character has NO credibility and NO track record presenting OR defending any Pentagon explanations for ANYTHING, so he has no business making these kinds of STUPID statements.

user posted image

This is where Mrn claims a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed going 530 miles per hour with only two windows missing on the second floor and all the windows intact on the third floor. :0) The distance from the top of the SUV to the bottom of the still-intact second floor is about six feet, but Mrn’s almost 50-feet tall Jetliner crashed right through here. :0) Then (like morons), we are just supposed to forget about the simple fact that nobody has ever placed any Flight 77 time-change parts at this crime scene, even if the impact hole was big enough. :0) I cannot help but LAUGH at these guys standing with Senor Bushie, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the LYING Bushie Administration claiming a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed here, when anyone with half a brain can see that is very much IMPOSSIBLE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA ). Expert after expert after expert gives testimony in that short video drawing the exact same conclusions that NO 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon and certainly not Flight 77. Mr. Mrn can come out here and embarrass himself every day and twice on Sunday if he is really in to self degradation, because even the CIT TV Chat-Monkeys laugh like crazy over his nonsense. :0)

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Mrn >>  Terral, for the last time, your theories are garbage and have been disproved with the ACTUAL evidence, rather than your baseless assertions.


Really? Heh . . . Please forgive, but Mrn saying so means less than nothing. Go start your first Pentagon Topic using whatever you call “Flight 77 Crashed Here” evidence, so we can all have an Elmo Big LAUGH ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2287763259128970612 ). :0) Someone please help me stop laughing . . .

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Mrn >>  Please state your proof that the 2.3 trillion dollars was stolen, that those accountants were anywhere close to tracking it down, and any evidence whatsoever of the plane flying away from the Pentagon. At least you've abandoned your cruise missile nonsense.


Heh . . . ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2287763259128970612 ) :0). Mrn = No Topics. Mrn = No Pentagon Credibility about anything . . . NONE. Start that “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Topic in this LC Pentagon Forum TODAY, or have the common sense to close your mouth and appear wise (Proverbs 17:28) . . . http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/pop...&version=kjv#28

GL with that Opening Post, :0)

Terral

Terral you're getting very old very fast. I guess providing actual hard evidence rather than mindless shrieking about DoD conspiracies is too much to ask of you.

You say all of these limbs appear intact and yet you fail to mention that he could have hairline fractures, and his ribs could very well be broken. I guess in Terral land a bone has to be popping out of the skin before it's considered broken. Do you see his arms stuck out like chicken wings burn to a fucking crisp? I do. Did you fail to notice that in the 3rd picture the victim's missing THEIR ENTIRE LOWER BODY? Or did that escape your eagle eyes Terral. Please stop your ignorance. Just because his spine isn't disconnected from his legs doesn't mean he has no broken bones. I guess bones must be entirely amputated before you consider them "broken".

You can clearly see these people contorted into grotesque positions suffering from terrible injuries. Yet you continue to propose that they are "uninjured". 100 tons of aluminum is not gone, and neither are the engines. In fact again I will post the pictures.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...otos/rotor.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...compressor.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...otos/parts.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide.../yardparts.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...smallparts.html
Do you still insist those engines and aircraft parts were lost? The government has never said that they were missing, it said the majority were destroyed on impact and in the ensuing fires. Terral does this: user posted imagelook like an intact body to you? Does it?

I asked you to prove it was stolen. You have failed to do so. Here's my picture of where it crashed and took hundreds of lives. user posted imageWhere is your's showing it anywhere else?

Again, you have not proven that those multi-million dollar investigations were in any way cover ups of anything.

Yes it does. It proves the people on the plane DIED at the Pentagon.If not flight 77 how would they get there, busses? Terral YOU are the one whose a cronie. Do you have any idea how much money people like that retard Alex Jones make off of deluded people like you? A lot.

Terral, why must you refer to yourself in third person? Is it really necessary for you to brag every ten seconds about your multitude of pointless threads and about how your name is Terral? It really isn't so please stop.

This photo Terral: user posted image You know damn well that's not the impact site and yet you pass it off as such and say "Does it look like flight 77 crashed here?" Of course not because the actual impact site is off to the right obscured partly by smoke and cut off at the edge of the picture. But I guess you think it's okay to be disingenuous.

No, this is where I claim it was crashed: user posted image See that firestorm all along the edge of the building? Yeah that's where it crashed. I forgot Terral that real experts, rather than publish in peer-reviewed journals, instead choose to post on youtube where they can "preach the 911 Truth". Actually THEY are the shills who would be laughed out of the room if they spun their theories in an intelligent discussion, just like it happens to you.

Again I asked you to prove the 2.3 trillion was stolen or close to being found and you deflected the question. Big surprise.

mrn838 - November 4, 2007 04:17 PM (GMT)
Oh and Terral, why did you completely ignore my post on page 1? Too long for you?

Terral - November 4, 2007 07:11 PM (GMT)
Hi Mrn:

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Mrn >>  Terral you're getting very old very fast. I guess providing actual hard evidence rather than mindless shrieking about DoD conspiracies is too much to ask of you. You say all of these limbs appear intact and yet you fail to mention that he could have hairline fractures, and his ribs could very well be broken.


Mrn is missing 100 tons of Boeing 757-200 Jetliner, because the thing was supposedly “DESTROYED,” but this guy runs at the mouth about possible ‘hairline fractures’ on intact victim bodies. :0) This guy quotes my entire post to just start rambling . . .

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Mrn >>  I guess in Terral land a bone has to be popping out of the skin before it's considered broken. Do you see his arms stuck out like chicken wings burn to a fucking crisp? I do. Did you fail to notice that in the 3rd picture the victim's missing THEIR ENTIRE LOWER BODY?


Where is the case for these victims sitting on Flight 77 going 530 miles per hour, when the entire 100-Ton Jetliner is destroyed out of existence? The government has no Flight 77 Jetliner debris, because that all vaporized into thin air, but has completely intact bodies from inside the plane. :0) This guy cannot have a brain in his head . . .

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Mrn >>  Or did that escape your eagle eyes Terral. Please stop your ignorance. Just because his spine isn't disconnected from his legs doesn't mean he has no broken bones. I guess bones must be entirely amputated before you consider them "broken".


Mrn has no case for these victim’s bodies and even their unburned clothes being intact, but the government cannot find the Jetliner. This is funny . . .

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Mrn >>  You can clearly see these people contorted into grotesque positions suffering from terrible injuries. Yet you continue to propose that they are "uninjured". 100 tons of aluminum is not gone, and neither are the engines. In fact again I will post the pictures.


Uninjured? Please . . . The DoD gassed everyone and burned their bodies for evidence, “after it was landed at Wright Patterson airport in Southern Ohio” ( http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm ).

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Mrn >>  In fact again I will post the pictures. http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...otos/rotor.html 
user posted image

Mrn Commentary >>  None!


This guy is posting links to pictures without one word of anything, because he has a case FOR NOTHING. No Boeing Flight 77 parts were ever found at the Pentagon. NONE. Mrn is showing you pictures of Pratt and Whitney J-Series Jet parts having nothing to do with any Rolls-Royce Engine. This same picture and expert testimony making my case is here:

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonPlaneRotor.shtml

QUOTE
Jean-Pierre Desmoulins  examines this photograph carefully, and notes that: this is a high pressure rotor element of a jet engine; the diameter of the housing is not much bigger than the diameter of this rotor, most of the witnesses heard a sound that they describe as the sound of a military aircraft (highly pitched and strident), not the sound of an airliner.

He concludes: this piece and the streamlining behind don't come from the engine of an airliner, which has low pressure fans of much larger size than the high pressure rotors, so that the streamlines are much larger than the diameters of the high pressure rotors. The engines of this plane had no low pressure fans: they are military engines, for which noise is not a problem.


Mrn is just posting pictures of A-3 Retrofit Skywarrior parts and pretending they came from a much larger Boeing 757-200 Jetliner. Retired Colonel George Nelson USAF is an expert in the aircraft parts department and he has looked at all the 9/11 cases and gives his expert testimony, saying,

http://physics911.net/georgenelson

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Colonel George Nelson >>  American Airlines Flight 77

This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.

Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view.

Conclusion

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 DID NOT FLY INTO THE PENTAGON AS ALLEDGED.


Mrn has no case for Flight 77 crashing anywhere, or we would have expert aircraft part specialists testifying that a real Boeing 757-200 parts, with Flight 77 time-change registry numbers, were found at the Pentagon. We have tons of expert military witnesses disputing the bogus 911Commission Report here ( http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/#Kwiatkowski ) with supporting articles posted at http://www.physics911.net/ . The best expert testimony short video proving that Flight 77 never crashed at the Pentagon is here:

The Experts >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA

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Mrn >>  I asked you to prove it was stolen. You have failed to do so. Here's my picture of where it crashed and took hundreds of lives.
user posted image
Where is your's showing it anywhere else?


Mrn is asking stupid questions rather than pointing out where his fantasy 100-Ton Jetliner appears in this picture. :0) The E-Ring wall is still standing an no crashed 100-Ton Jetliner is found here anywhere.

user posted image

You can see the fire smoldering through the second-story windows proving the second story concrete slab is still intact. You have an 18-feet 3-inch impact hole over the cable spools laying down by fireman #4 from the left. These “Flight 77 Crashed Here” guys point to a hole and want you to believe ‘that’ (heh) is a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...tAtPentagon.jpg ), because they think you are stupid.

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Mrn >>  Terral, why must you refer to yourself in third person? Is it really necessary for you to brag every ten seconds about your multitude of pointless threads and about how your name is Terral? It really isn't so please stop.


My Teacher is Jesus Christ saying,

QUOTE
“Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and ‘Jesus Christ’ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” John 17:1-5.


All of my ‘first’ and ‘third’ person references will make perfect sense at the Judgment, as we are standing there and here even now. :0)

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Mrn >>  This photo Terral:
user posted image
You know damn well that's not the impact site and yet you pass it off as such and say "Does it look like flight 77 crashed here?" Of course not because the actual impact site is off to the right obscured partly by smoke and cut off at the edge of the picture. But I guess you think it's okay to be disingenuous.


LOL! The location where the ‘ribbed’ columns stop and the smooth wall section starts ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../simulation.jpg ) is Column Line (CL) 8 with the smooth wall extending over to CL 19. The ‘windowless’ section of wall above the “Fort Meyer” SVU Fire Truck is the area between CL 8 and CL 9 or just 59 feet from the center of the 20-feet impact hole. That means you are looking at the E-Ring Wall from CL 8 to CL 15 that includes the entire Impact Hole, but Mrn cannot even tell a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed here an better than anyone else. :0) How many of these fine brave military men look at all concerned about saving anyone from a crashed Jetliner? NONE, because nothing like that happened here and most everyone here already knows that for an ABSOLUTE FACT.

user posted image

Here is the other picture you ignore showing seven feet between the tops of those cable spools and the still-intact second floor saying NO 100-TON JETLINER CRASHED HERE. Look at all the limestone debris knocked off the wall back in our direction. :0) This is the location where supposedly your starboard wing and massive 6-ton engine crashed into the E-Ring wall going 530 miles per hour. :0) And yet, you can still see fires burning on the second and third floors through the windows, because those concrete slabs are still intact. There is no case for any 100-Ton Jetliner crashing here! Period! That is why I have so many expert military witnesses saying the EXACT SAME THING. That is why Mrn has no “Flight 77 Crashed Here” Threads, because you also have NO EVIDENCE. :0)

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Mrn >>  Again I asked you to prove the 2.3 trillion was stolen or close to being found and you deflected the question. Big surprise.


What 2.3 Trillion dollars?

This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

Or This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/...ain325985.shtml

Or This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://www.solari.com/learn/articles_missingmoney.htm

Or This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national...ssing_trillions

Mrn is so deluded by Official Government BULLONY, that he cannot even believe these DoD bad guys made off with the missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars. So now, I must prove that 2.3 Trillion Dollars went missing. :0) Mrn can go start a thread about the 2.3 Trillion Dollars that never went missing . . . But that is asking far too much from this guy with no Pentagon Topics started about ANYTHING. This guy should run away and hide his face in embarrassment, but there is no shame in his “I Am Here To Defend The Government” Game, even though the only thing coming out of his mouth is Loyal Bushie NONSENSE. That big fat “L” on your forehead is for one thing!

Loser! These readers can decide for themselves is that should be "LIAR" or something else . . .

GL,

Terral

mrn838 - November 4, 2007 09:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 4 2007, 02:11 PM)
Hi Mrn:

QUOTE
Mrn >>  Terral you're getting very old very fast. I guess providing actual hard evidence rather than mindless shrieking about DoD conspiracies is too much to ask of you. You say all of these limbs appear intact and yet you fail to mention that he could have hairline fractures, and his ribs could very well be broken.


Mrn is missing 100 tons of Boeing 757-200 Jetliner, because the thing was supposedly “DESTROYED,” but this guy runs at the mouth about possible ‘hairline fractures’ on intact victim bodies. :0) This guy quotes my entire post to just start rambling . . .

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Mrn >>  I guess in Terral land a bone has to be popping out of the skin before it's considered broken. Do you see his arms stuck out like chicken wings burn to a fucking crisp? I do. Did you fail to notice that in the 3rd picture the victim's missing THEIR ENTIRE LOWER BODY?


Where is the case for these victims sitting on Flight 77 going 530 miles per hour, when the entire 100-Ton Jetliner is destroyed out of existence? The government has no Flight 77 Jetliner debris, because that all vaporized into thin air, but has completely intact bodies from inside the plane. :0) This guy cannot have a brain in his head . . .

QUOTE
Mrn >>  Or did that escape your eagle eyes Terral. Please stop your ignorance. Just because his spine isn't disconnected from his legs doesn't mean he has no broken bones. I guess bones must be entirely amputated before you consider them "broken".


Mrn has no case for these victim’s bodies and even their unburned clothes being intact, but the government cannot find the Jetliner. This is funny . . .

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Mrn >>  You can clearly see these people contorted into grotesque positions suffering from terrible injuries. Yet you continue to propose that they are "uninjured". 100 tons of aluminum is not gone, and neither are the engines. In fact again I will post the pictures.


Uninjured? Please . . . The DoD gassed everyone and burned their bodies for evidence, “after it was landed at Wright Patterson airport in Southern Ohio” ( http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm ).

QUOTE
Mrn >>  In fact again I will post the pictures. http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...otos/rotor.html 
user posted image

Mrn Commentary >>  None!


This guy is posting links to pictures without one word of anything, because he has a case FOR NOTHING. No Boeing Flight 77 parts were ever found at the Pentagon. NONE. Mrn is showing you pictures of Pratt and Whitney J-Series Jet parts having nothing to do with any Rolls-Royce Engine. This same picture and expert testimony making my case is here:

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonPlaneRotor.shtml

QUOTE
Jean-Pierre Desmoulins  examines this photograph carefully, and notes that: this is a high pressure rotor element of a jet engine; the diameter of the housing is not much bigger than the diameter of this rotor, most of the witnesses heard a sound that they describe as the sound of a military aircraft (highly pitched and strident), not the sound of an airliner.

He concludes: this piece and the streamlining behind don't come from the engine of an airliner, which has low pressure fans of much larger size than the high pressure rotors, so that the streamlines are much larger than the diameters of the high pressure rotors. The engines of this plane had no low pressure fans: they are military engines, for which noise is not a problem.


Mrn is just posting pictures of A-3 Retrofit Skywarrior parts and pretending they came from a much larger Boeing 757-200 Jetliner. Retired Colonel George Nelson USAF is an expert in the aircraft parts department and he has looked at all the 9/11 cases and gives his expert testimony, saying,

http://physics911.net/georgenelson

QUOTE
Colonel George Nelson >>  American Airlines Flight 77

This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.

Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view.

Conclusion

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 DID NOT FLY INTO THE PENTAGON AS ALLEDGED.


Mrn has no case for Flight 77 crashing anywhere, or we would have expert aircraft part specialists testifying that a real Boeing 757-200 parts, with Flight 77 time-change registry numbers, were found at the Pentagon. We have tons of expert military witnesses disputing the bogus 911Commission Report here ( http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/#Kwiatkowski ) with supporting articles posted at http://www.physics911.net/ . The best expert testimony short video proving that Flight 77 never crashed at the Pentagon is here:

The Experts >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA

QUOTE
Mrn >>  I asked you to prove it was stolen. You have failed to do so. Here's my picture of where it crashed and took hundreds of lives.
user posted image
Where is your's showing it anywhere else?


Mrn is asking stupid questions rather than pointing out where his fantasy 100-Ton Jetliner appears in this picture. :0) The E-Ring wall is still standing an no crashed 100-Ton Jetliner is found here anywhere.

user posted image

You can see the fire smoldering through the second-story windows proving the second story concrete slab is still intact. You have an 18-feet 3-inch impact hole over the cable spools laying down by fireman #4 from the left. These “Flight 77 Crashed Here” guys point to a hole and want you to believe ‘that’ (heh) is a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...tAtPentagon.jpg ), because they think you are stupid.

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Mrn >>  Terral, why must you refer to yourself in third person? Is it really necessary for you to brag every ten seconds about your multitude of pointless threads and about how your name is Terral? It really isn't so please stop.


My Teacher is Jesus Christ saying,

QUOTE
“Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and ‘Jesus Christ’ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” John 17:1-5.


All of my ‘first’ and ‘third’ person references will make perfect sense at the Judgment, as we are standing there and here even now. :0)

QUOTE
Mrn >>  This photo Terral:
user posted image
You know damn well that's not the impact site and yet you pass it off as such and say "Does it look like flight 77 crashed here?" Of course not because the actual impact site is off to the right obscured partly by smoke and cut off at the edge of the picture. But I guess you think it's okay to be disingenuous.


LOL! The location where the ‘ribbed’ columns stop and the smooth wall section starts ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter.../simulation.jpg ) is Column Line (CL) 8 with the smooth wall extending over to CL 19. The ‘windowless’ section of wall above the “Fort Meyer” SVU Fire Truck is the area between CL 8 and CL 9 or just 59 feet from the center of the 20-feet impact hole. That means you are looking at the E-Ring Wall from CL 8 to CL 15 that includes the entire Impact Hole, but Mrn cannot even tell a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed here an better than anyone else. :0) How many of these fine brave military men look at all concerned about saving anyone from a crashed Jetliner? NONE, because nothing like that happened here and most everyone here already knows that for an ABSOLUTE FACT.

user posted image

Here is the other picture you ignore showing seven feet between the tops of those cable spools and the still-intact second floor saying NO 100-TON JETLINER CRASHED HERE. Look at all the limestone debris knocked off the wall back in our direction. :0) This is the location where supposedly your starboard wing and massive 6-ton engine crashed into the E-Ring wall going 530 miles per hour. :0) And yet, you can still see fires burning on the second and third floors through the windows, because those concrete slabs are still intact. There is no case for any 100-Ton Jetliner crashing here! Period! That is why I have so many expert military witnesses saying the EXACT SAME THING. That is why Mrn has no “Flight 77 Crashed Here” Threads, because you also have NO EVIDENCE. :0)

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Mrn >>  Again I asked you to prove the 2.3 trillion was stolen or close to being found and you deflected the question. Big surprise.


What 2.3 Trillion dollars?

This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

Or This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/...ain325985.shtml

Or This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://www.solari.com/learn/articles_missingmoney.htm

Or This 2.3 Trillion? >> http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national...ssing_trillions

Mrn is so deluded by Official Government BULLONY, that he cannot even believe these DoD bad guys made off with the missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars. So now, I must prove that 2.3 Trillion Dollars went missing. :0) Mrn can go start a thread about the 2.3 Trillion Dollars that never went missing . . . But that is asking far too much from this guy with no Pentagon Topics started about ANYTHING. This guy should run away and hide his face in embarrassment, but there is no shame in his “I Am Here To Defend The Government” Game, even though the only thing coming out of his mouth is Loyal Bushie NONSENSE. That big fat “L” on your forehead is for one thing!

Loser! These readers can decide for themselves is that should be "LIAR" or something else . . .

GL,

Terral

No actually, I'm not. Debris:
user posted image
user posted image
user posted image

This clearly shows that the defusor case found is from an RB211-535 engine. I have provided you with the photo of the landing gear found at the site, and the High Pressure Compressor Rotor from that engine. Yet you continue to babble about irrelevant things. Newsflash Terral these parts come from the 211-535, and what aircraft are those engines used on? Let's ask Rolls Royce themselves. http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil_aerospace...5/technical.jsp Oh my it appears they are used on 757-200's and Tu-204's. I'll give you a hint, one was used by American Airlines and actually hit the Pentagon.

Again Terral the entire airliner was not "destroyed out of existence". Multiple parts of the aircraft's skin and engines were found in the building and scattered on the lawn. Again, parts of the plane are intact, as are the bodies of some of the victims. However for you to look at those pictures and say they are uninjured is just unacceptable to me.

I guess you can just brush away the debris evidence as coming from a phantom aircraft, and the most reasonable explaination for the victims remains being found, rather than having crashed with flight 77, is that they were flown to Ohio, all killed, all given injuries perfectly consistent with an airplane crash, then flown BACK to Washington, and taken to the Pentagon where there were approximately 8,000 people, and planting them all in consistent places without being seen? You must have one sick mind Terral.

It's been shown that the aircraft which landed at Wright-Patterson was in fact a different aircraft, Delta Flight 1989 which had not been hijacked but was mistaken identified as Flight 93.

Again you're claiming it was an aircraft which nobody saw (A-3) and that it was fitted with low-bypass turbofans, while Flight 77 and the parts that were found are part of a High-bypass turbofan. The matter was already debunked here http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml by experts.

Good to see you bringing up idiotic points about the firefighters "wasting foam". I guess you know more about firefighting than they do Terral. Terral, the aircraft is inside the building. Why exactly is that so hard for you to comprehend? Is it because if your theories are proved to be incorrect than you will have nothing to live for? Is that the problem? As I've asked you before, if they are real experts in your video why must they go to youtube to gain intellectual acceptance? My guess is because they are frauds.

I don't recall Jesus ever commanding anyone to speak in 3rd person but sure.

OH NO TERRAL YOU HAVE SO MANY EXPERT WITNESSES, ONE AIR FORCE OFFICER AND ONE YOUTUBE VIDEO AUTHOR HOWEVER WILL I MANAGE???????

Yes Terral, we know the money was missing. What I asked you to prove was if there was any criminal malfeasence involved. You have failed to do so. I asked you to prove they were on the verge of finding the perpetrators. You failed to do so. Please gain some critical reading skills.

Lin Kuei - November 5, 2007 11:11 AM (GMT)
Once again the same arguments border on spam. Please keep your posts brief and to the point.

mrn838 - November 5, 2007 12:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lin Kuei @ Nov 5 2007, 06:11 AM)
Once again the same arguments border on spam. Please keep your posts brief and to the point.

My apologies, it is just hard to do so when he brings up the same things over and over again.

ron1872 - November 5, 2007 03:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (mrn838 @ Nov 5 2007, 07:11 AM)
QUOTE (Lin Kuei @ Nov 5 2007, 06:11 AM)
Once again the same arguments border on spam.  Please keep your posts brief and to the point.

My apologies, it is just hard to do so when he brings up the same things over and over again.

@mrm and Terral:

Is it possible to quote a lot shorter? Just quote that particular part you need!


Terral - November 5, 2007 03:56 PM (GMT)
Hi Mrn:

QUOTE
This clearly shows that the defusor case found is from an RB211-535 engine.


No. All these pictures are of Pratt and Whitney military jet parts ( http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonPlaneRotor.shtml ) , but Mrn does not know the difference. Even if you had a real RB211-535 engine (and you do not), that engine would contain time-change parts ( http://physics911.net/georgenelson ) with Flight 77 serial numbers that the government has refused to turn over as evidence of Flight 77 crashing anywhere. You would have a massive gapping gash in the Wedge One Pentagon E-Ring wall and not a little 18-feet 3-inch hole with only two windows missing on the second floor. :0) The mods want to see chit-chat, so,

Preston just SPAMMED the same post on all these threads . . .

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...pic=13005&st=80

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...ic=18262&st=100

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...pic=14791&st=80

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...pic=7305&st=140

. . . in just a few minutes, but the mods are warning us about SPAM. :0)

That is funny . . . I stopped sending them reports, because they are more likely to warn me than address the real CIT problem they have here . . .

GL,

Terral

mrn838 - November 5, 2007 06:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terral @ Nov 5 2007, 10:56 AM)
Hi Mrn:

QUOTE
This clearly shows that the defusor case found is from an RB211-535 engine.


No. All these pictures are of Pratt and Whitney military jet parts ( http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonPlaneRotor.shtml ) , but Mrn does not know the difference. Even if you had a real RB211-535 engine (and you do not), that engine would contain time-change parts ( http://physics911.net/georgenelson ) with Flight 77 serial numbers that the government has refused to turn over as evidence of Flight 77 crashing anywhere. You would have a massive gapping gash in the Wedge One Pentagon E-Ring wall and not a little 18-feet 3-inch hole with only two windows missing on the second floor. :0) The mods want to see chit-chat, so,

Preston just SPAMMED the same post on all these threads . . .

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...pic=13005&st=80

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...ic=18262&st=100

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...pic=14791&st=80

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...pic=7305&st=140

. . . in just a few minutes, but the mods are warning us about SPAM. :0)

That is funny . . . I stopped sending them reports, because they are more likely to warn me than address the real CIT problem they have here . . .

GL,

Terral

Terral I've already shown you a website which says the exact opposite and that the parts are in fact from a Rolls Royce. Rolls Royce themselves say the RB211-535 is used on 757-200's. Is it just a coincidence were found? I'll try and dig up more.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/079.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html#parts
http://www.911-strike.com/engines.htm (scroll down to the Boeing diagram and read the words under it highlighted in red.)

Terral - November 5, 2007 06:44 PM (GMT)
Hi Mrn:

QUOTE
Mrn >> Terral I've already shown you a website which says the exact opposite and that the parts are in fact from a Rolls Royce.


You have what? Keep on dreaming . . . No sir. Mrn has NO credibility to be offering any links on any of these Pentagon Topics, until you start your own “Flight 77 Crashed Here” Thread and begin defending your theories against our rebuttals. We have far too many expert witnesses ( http://physics911.net/georgenelson ) saying no Flight 77 parts ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA ) were ever recovered from the Pentagon ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgyq2H7PpO0 ) and nothing Mrn says means anything to me anyway. Nothing. My case has already been presented to my satisfaction and restating the facts only leads to needless SPAM. :0)

Go start that “Flight 77 Crashed Into The Pentagon” Topic (he never will = Loser) in this LC Pentagon Forum ASAP, or forever wear the “Loser” badge of dishonor like all the pathetic yellow-bellied Government Cover Story cronies working this Board. All of them together do not equal just one real 911Truther with one hand tied behind his back using only one eye. ;0)

There was no 100-Ton Jetliner evidence ever found at the Pentagon, because nothing like that crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. End of story . . .

GL,

Terral




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