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Title: Moles


Rossmancer - September 19, 2007 03:50 PM (GMT)
Let's have your opinion. (without mentioning usernames) thanks guys

jfk - September 19, 2007 04:04 PM (GMT)
Absolutely.

They would be neglecting their duties if they weren't at the very least monitoring what goes on here.... and other truth sites. ;)

Personally I do believe some of them ARE here to have some "fun" with us. <_<

Patches O'Houlihan - September 19, 2007 04:08 PM (GMT)
They bugger up your lawn. :angry:

athena - September 19, 2007 04:20 PM (GMT)
I think it would be naive to believe they are not.

Rossmancer - September 19, 2007 05:07 PM (GMT)
A little. One has already admitted to being one in the poll. That was probably a lie, but no one can know for sure.

Patches O'Houlihan - September 19, 2007 05:24 PM (GMT)
Actually it's interesting that you would ask this question. After all, if the government wasn't involved in a 911 conspiracy there'd be no reason to have 'moles' in the truth movement, so since you believe they were involved it follows that there must be voles...I mean, moles.

It's kinda self affirming, isn't it?

Rather like jury tampering. If you're on a jury and someone threatens you to make sure you vote 'not guilty' it's pretty obvious that the accused must be guilty in the first place. So, by attempting to influence the jury, all the bad guys are doing is re-affirming that their boy will be seen as guilty in the eyes of the jury.

The truth movement needs to believe that the government is infiltrating with moles and disinfo because if the government is just ignoring you.....wellll...either you're not a threat or...... there's just no reason for them to bother because you have no evidence of a conspiracy. :)

Rossmancer - September 19, 2007 05:51 PM (GMT)
A very good point. In the governments defense I can see them saying that they like to monitor suspicious anti American terrorism on forums to protect the people. Hey can't admins of forums track ip addresses? They should find out if there are any ip's routing through to government domains.

Patches O'Houlihan - September 19, 2007 05:56 PM (GMT)
Monitoring does not equal active participation.

Actually, if you check the stats of this site you'll find a huge number of members (possibly 50%) who have never made a single post. Maybe they're all govt agents monitoring this forum :unsure:

jfk - September 19, 2007 05:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rossmancer @ Sep 19 2007, 01:51 PM)
A very good point. In the governments defense I can see them saying that they like to monitor suspicious anti American terrorism on forums to protect the people. Hey can't admins of forums track ip addresses? They should find out if there are any ip's routing through to government domains.

Yes they can... And yes there were when I was admin. ;)

pi3 - September 19, 2007 07:43 PM (GMT)
Loose Change is the most popular video, so unfortunately is surrounded by perp supporting bullshitters. LC forum is >50% bullshitters, in some folders bullshit threads outnumber genuine threads 8 to 1, unfortunately, but expectedly, they are the investigation folders.

goblin - September 19, 2007 09:54 PM (GMT)
I can honestly tell you that the only reason I'm here on this forum is to get deep inside the minds of the truthers. I find the theories so far out that I just need to see how deep it all can reach.
I work for the government, but not with "infiltrating" open discussions on the web, that would be just plain stupid. I would rather just hack the database every monday and hire some intern to wordcheck the content for me if I needed information from this site

Rossmancer - September 20, 2007 02:14 AM (GMT)
Interesting............ He's one of them! Get him!!!

jfk - September 20, 2007 02:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (goblin @ Sep 19 2007, 05:54 PM)
I can honestly tell you that the only reason I'm here on this forum is to get deep inside the minds of the truthers. I find the theories so far out that I just need to see how deep it all can reach.
I work for the government, but not with "infiltrating" open discussions on the web, that would be just plain stupid. I would rather just hack the database every monday and hire some intern to wordcheck the content for me if I needed information from this site

:D OK, I'm curious.... Which words would you be looking for ? :lol:

Patches O'Houlihan - September 20, 2007 07:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (jfk @ Sep 19 2007, 09:32 PM)

:D OK, I'm curious.... Which words would you be looking for ? :lol:

"Smith" as that is the name of the guy who planted all the demo charges in the towers. We have to keep him safe.

"Jones" (unfortunate this one, but we can't be fussy) is the guy who spreads disinfo for us in the truth movement.

"Thermote" the REAL reason the towers came down

"ILM" the REAL reason you believe planes hit the towers

Carry on.


jakeb - September 20, 2007 07:11 PM (GMT)
I just wonder, in all seriousness, why the government would need to bother with monitoring these forums. Whether they were guilty of crimes on 911 or not. What would be the point?

goblin - September 20, 2007 09:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jfk @ Sep 19 2007, 09:32 PM)

:D OK, I'm curious.... Which words would you be looking for ? :lol:

That is of no interest to me... I'd just make sure the intern had something to do between 9 to 5 besides making me coffee and reading my newspaper to me ;)

I'm sorry if I'm having an unecessary piss on you guys here, but seriously....
Infiltrating an open forum discussion on the web??? What would be the point in doing that? Nothing comes up here that wont be published 10 000 000 other places on the web, or given away on free DVD's anyway

Rossmancer - September 21, 2007 05:10 AM (GMT)
The government is pissing on us. Shocking.

darion - September 22, 2007 03:23 PM (GMT)
There where groups in the past that had "MOLES" in them and where admitted to having these spies placed into their ranks. They where not truth movement moles that I know of but there was one that had a spy in it that was little old ladies and men that where against the war. Some danger to the poplulation there.

If there was a mole in the truth movement that would only mean there is a reason for them to be here. That reason maybe that we have some concept of the truth that the goverment doesnt want the masses to know.

goblin - September 23, 2007 09:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (darion @ Sep 22 2007, 10:23 AM)
There where groups in the past that had "MOLES" in them and where admitted to having these spies placed into their ranks. They where not truth movement moles that I know of but there was one that had a spy in it that was little old ladies and men that where against the war. Some danger to the poplulation there.

If there was a mole in the truth movement that would only mean there is a reason for them to be here. That reason maybe that we have some concept of the truth that the goverment doesnt want the masses to know.

Ehm....

Again, nothing is said on these forums that isn't found on 100 million webpages around the world. A government that has the power to bring down 3 skyscrapers during bright daylight would have no need for moles on groups like these. Even they would understand that

alive and still talking - September 26, 2007 01:48 AM (GMT)
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I just wonder, in all seriousness, why the government would need to bother with monitoring these forums. Whether they were guilty of crimes on 911 or not. What would be the point?
because exposing the truth and leaking it to the public is the very last thing neocons want us to do.

that would undermine everything they are currently working on.

waterflaws - September 30, 2007 05:53 PM (GMT)
I think all forums/message boards that could be considered controversial are, at least, monitored. For the more popular/active ones, there are probably PR hacks that regularly post to sow doubt and dissention or to redirect attention to less important topics. These hacks are probably very careful to appear to be one of the group, not a member of the "other" team. They are not the ones calling us "crazy conspiracy theorists", but rather the ones that frequently play devils advocate.

alive and still talking - October 4, 2007 08:48 AM (GMT)
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Yes they can... And yes there were when I was admin

...and what about media writers ? many of our 'original' takes on certain issues end up as a raised topic or 'catch phrase' on television or radio.

darion - October 5, 2007 07:13 PM (GMT)
If this group had them so do we.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...URVEILLANCE.TMP

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/22/nyregion/22police.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75151

There are many more accounts just like these. And to say we are ignored by the goverment is completly wrong.

Fnord - October 15, 2007 05:23 PM (GMT)
I work for a contractor, which is contracted to a quasi-governmental agency, which kinda-sorta answers to a department of the California state government. My job includes maintaining CCTV equipment, including infrared cameras and devices that can (for example) read and recognize your license plate as you drive at freeways speeds.

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