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SPreston - August 7, 2007 02:11 PM (GMT)
Give us your expert opinion on 9-11 B)

jfk - August 7, 2007 02:34 PM (GMT)
My answer is not listed in the choices and is indeed an extremely controversial one, therefore I will answer it with a question.

What is the smallest "country" whose leaders have the largest number of "followers" whom donate money on the face of the globe ?

BTW, Yes 9-11 itself was an inside job consisting of a small cabal within our government....... But 9-11 was merely a "focal point".

You need to look at the BIG picture.

SPreston - August 7, 2007 08:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jfk)
My answer is not listed in the choices and is indeed an extremely controversial one, therefore I will answer it with a question.

What is the smallest "country" whose leaders have the largest number of "followers" whom donate  money on the face of the globe ?

BTW, Yes 9-11 itself was an inside job consisting of a small cabal within our government....... But 9-11 was merely a "focal point".

You need to look at the BIG picture.

From your short description, I would guess the Vatican. Or perhaps the Club of Rome, or the Illuminati, or Freemasonry, or the Bilderbergers, or the Council on Foreign Relations, or maybe the ancient city of Babylon, surrounded now by a US Military encampment, which they have finally managed to capture to fulfill their dreams. But looking at the BIG picture, they would only be just another tentacle of the international corporate New World Order among many, composed of billionaires pulling the strings in their elitist dream of world conquest. I doubt that they will ever succeed, but instead will go the way of Revelation Chapter 18; lying in the streets and weeping because all their riches are worth nothing and all their big plans have come to naught. :rolleyes: B)
QUOTE (What These Ancient Places Can Teach Us Now - Parade Magazine April 25 2004)

Babylon
Several hours north is the crown jewel of Iraqi sites, Babylon, home to the worldís first complete legal text, the Code of Hammurabi, and to one of the seven wonders of the ancient world, the Hanging Gardens. In 586 B.C.E., Nebuchadnezzar burned Jerusalem and exiled the Israelites to this river city.

Modern-day Babylon is  different from Ur. For starters, itís located inside a coalition base, with satellite trucks, mess halls and a buzz of troops.  Noting that the Tower of Babel was built hereów hich resulted in God destroying the building and creating many languagesóMajor Dezso Kiss of Hungary observed that the soldiers who are now here communicate in one language: English. ďThe Tower has finally been built,Ē he said.
http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/20...2004/featured_0

JapanVideo - August 9, 2007 09:09 AM (GMT)
My vote goes to the NWO - and that emcompasses a lot of parties. Bush is merely an incompetant idiotic pawn and a "face" for the public.

driftergal - August 12, 2007 02:23 PM (GMT)
My question is, how do we know that the plan wasnt already in place well before Bush came into office? I want definate proof before I point the finger at any particular person or organization. I would come closer to blaming those that have held the same office for the majority of their adult lives. They have too much power and only want more and are associated with powerful organizations as well. Yes, we've been lied to, but by whom is the real question. There have always been innocent people surrounded unknowingly by those that want to do harm and we as the American people dont know who is who right now.

SPreston - August 12, 2007 04:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (driftergal)
My question is, how do we know that the plan wasnt already in place well before Bush came into office?  I want definate proof before I point the finger at any particular person or organization.  I would come closer to blaming those that have held the same office for the majority of their adult lives.  They have too much power and only want more and are associated with powerful organizations as well.  Yes, we've been lied to, but by whom is the real question.  There have always been innocent people surrounded unknowingly by those that want to do harm and we as the American people dont know who is who right now.

Does the buck stop at the top or not? Consider just some of the evidence.
1. Jeb Bush already had Florida under martial law before 9-11 for his brother to hide out in.
2. Andrew Card came in and informed Bush that the 2nd plane hit the WTC and that America was under attack and Bush asked no questions and gave no orders.
3. Bush's brother Marvin P and cousin Wirt Walker III were already involved in the security of the WTC prior to 9-11.
4. The Secret Service bodyguards did not do their duty and rush Bush off to a more secure location such as the armored limousine, so it is obvious they had prior orders not to do their duty.
5. Bush hung around for a long time endangering the children and giving photo ops and still not doing his duty as Commander-in-Chief of US Military defensive forces while America was under attack.
6. Soldiers and/or marines were not rushed from nearby bases to protect Bush and Air Force One sitting on the ground at Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport.
7. Air Force One took off after one more photo op at the top of the stairs without fighter escort and across Florida, so obviously they thought Bush was in no danger.
8. Bush desperately fought investigations into 9-11 for 441 days and then stacked the 9-11 Whitewash Commission with inside cronies.
9. Bush immediately started using 9-11 as an excuse to invade Iraq later in March 2003. The Patriot Act endangering American liberties was quickly passed using 9-11 as an excuse.
10. Thousands of witnesses and firefighters and policemen and air traffic controllers and CIA agents and FBI agents and Pentagon military personnel and media people were gag-ordered and told to keep quiet about what they had seen and knew.
11. Crime scene evidence was quickly confiscated and censored and destroyed and kept from investigators and shipped out of the country to prevent proper criminal investigations.
Does this sound like an innocent person who just inherited a plan instigated by someone else? The NeoCON PNAC controlling Bush openly wrote years in advance that they needed a New Pearl Harbor event to initiate their plans for the New World Order and 9-11 was it. http://www.911timeline.net/
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Kingzaba - August 25, 2007 06:37 PM (GMT)
31. August 1939 - Gliwice, radio station = 11. September 2001 - New York, WTC
Adolf Hitler = ???

Nephilem - August 29, 2007 09:55 PM (GMT)
9-11 was caused by Osama and the 19 hijackers. We are currently at war with Islamic terror groups, look around. Look at the Terror attacks on Britain and Russia, and other countries by Islamic groups. Are these attacks all fake to? Is half the world in one big conspiracy to make us fear terrorism? Once you stop focusing on details of 9-11 and look at the conspiracy theory you begin to see all the problems that the conspiracy theoryís have. Look at all the other terrorist attacks, were they all staged? If so then shouldnít the countries staging the attacks have really strong ties? The conspiracy theoryís raise many more questions then they answer.

Liquid_Imagination - August 29, 2007 10:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nephilem @ Aug 29 2007, 04:55 PM)
9-11 was caused by Osama and the 19 hijackers.  We are currently at war with Islamic terror groups, look around. Look at the Terror attacks on Britain and Russia, and other countries by Islamic groups. Are these attacks all fake to? Is half the world in one big conspiracy to make us fear terrorism? Once you stop focusing on details of 9-11 and look at the conspiracy theory you begin to see all the problems that the conspiracy theoryís have.  Look at all the other terrorist attacks, were they all staged? If so then shouldnít the countries staging the attacks have really strong ties? The conspiracy theoryís raise many more questions then they answer.

The bombings didn't start on the 11th of September 2001. It started long before then. The world knows that the American government is after the oil mines in Iraq or Iran wherever it is. But just think for yourself. Didn't the US government maybe have something to do with the 9/11 bombings so the world can get brain washed? If you look at all the facts, then you should see that it can't be Bin Laden who is behind the 9/11 attacks. If he really was, then why is the US government hiding stuff from their own nation?

How is it possible that the US army can find Saddam Husein in a Hole within a couple of weeks, but 6 years after the bombing still cant find Bin Laden?

Maybe they aren't looking.

Hetware - August 29, 2007 10:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kingzaba @ Aug 25 2007, 06:37 PM)
31. August 1939 - Gliwice, radio station = 11. September 2001 - New York, WTC
Adolf Hitler = ???

What is the basis for the generally accepted historical account of what happened at Sender Gleiwitz? That is a serious question. The best I can tell it's all based on one man's dubious testimony.

Hetware - August 29, 2007 10:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 12 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE (driftergal)
My question is, how do we know that the plan wasnt already in place well before Bush came into office?  I want definate proof before I point the finger at any particular person or organization.  I would come closer to blaming those that have held the same office for the majority of their adult lives.  They have too much power and only want more and are associated with powerful organizations as well.  Yes, we've been lied to, but by whom is the real question.  There have always been innocent people surrounded unknowingly by those that want to do harm and we as the American people dont know who is who right now.

Does the buck stop at the top or not? Consider just some of the evidence.
1. Jeb Bush already had Florida under martial law before 9-11 for his brother to hide out in.
2. Andrew Card came in and informed Bush that the 2nd plane hit the WTC and that America was under attack and Bush asked no questions and gave no orders.
3. Bush's brother Marvin P and cousin Wirt Walker III were already involved in the security of the WTC prior to 9-11.
4. The Secret Service bodyguards did not do their duty and rush Bush off to a more secure location such as the armored limousine, so it is obvious they had prior orders not to do their duty.
5. Bush hung around for a long time endangering the children and giving photo ops and still not doing his duty as Commander-in-Chief of US Military defensive forces while America was under attack.
6. Soldiers and/or marines were not rushed from nearby bases to protect Bush and Air Force One sitting on the ground at Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport.
7. Air Force One took off after one more photo op at the top of the stairs without fighter escort and across Florida, so obviously they thought Bush was in no danger.
8. Bush desperately fought investigations into 9-11 for 441 days and then stacked the 9-11 Whitewash Commission with inside cronies.
9. Bush immediately started using 9-11 as an excuse to invade Iraq later in March 2003. The Patriot Act endangering American liberties was quickly passed using 9-11 as an excuse.
10. Thousands of witnesses and firefighters and policemen and air traffic controllers and CIA agents and FBI agents and Pentagon military personnel and media people were gag-ordered and told to keep quiet about what they had seen and knew.
11. Crime scene evidence was quickly confiscated and censored and destroyed and kept from investigators and shipped out of the country to prevent proper criminal investigations.
Does this sound like an innocent person who just inherited a plan instigated by someone else? The NeoCON PNAC controlling Bush openly wrote years in advance that they needed a New Pearl Harbor event to initiate their plans for the New World Order and 9-11 was it.

Rumor has it that Dubya recently asked Poppy "What's neo-con?", and Poppy said to his idiot son: "in a word Israel".
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/08/clean-br...f-theories.html

Nephilem - August 30, 2007 01:01 AM (GMT)
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The bombings didn't start on the 11th of September 2001. It started long before then. The world knows that the American government is after the oil mines in Iraq or Iran wherever it is.Didn't the US government maybe have something to do with the 9/11 bombings so the world can get brain washed? If you look at all the facts, then you should see that it can't be Bin Laden who is behind the 9/11 attacks. If he really was, then why is the US government hiding stuff from their own nation?

How is it possible that the US army can find Saddam Husein in a Hole within a couple of weeks, but 6 years after the bombing still cant find Bin Laden?

Maybe they aren't looking.


If we are just after the oil fields then why have we not taken them? We have been over there for quite some time however I donít see us seizing any oil fields. Also why are we taking so much trouble rebuilding Iraq if we are just trying to get their oil? How are we brainwashing the world? As I said they too are facing terrorism, is that planed by us too? The other countries that are helping us in the war on terror are doing so because they face the same threat. The US government hides lots of stuff. Thatís what security clearances are all about there is a lot of Information that we donít know. When I get my security clearance I will be able to access higher levels of information if I need to. Saddam did not have a network set up for his escape. He did not expect for us to take over Iraq so quickly because of this he left a trail to follow, and he did not have a good Hiding space. Also he was a ruler he was used to living in palaces not hiding in holes in the ground. On top of all that the locals hated him. On the other hand Bin Laden had an entire network already in place. He was better prepared and more skilled in hiding himself. He was also in an extremely had place to find people, surrounded by supporters. So he was much harder to find. We still have some people on his trail; however he really does not have much value as a target. He is little more then a symbol.

Hetware - August 30, 2007 01:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nephilem @ Aug 30 2007, 01:01 AM)
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The bombings didn't start on the 11th of September 2001. It started long before then. The world knows that the American government is after the oil mines in Iraq or Iran wherever it is.Didn't the US government maybe have something to do with the 9/11 bombings so the world can get brain washed? If you look at all the facts, then you should see that it can't be Bin Laden who is behind the 9/11 attacks. If he really was, then why is the US government hiding stuff from their own nation?

How is it possible that the US army can find Saddam Husein in a Hole within a couple of weeks, but 6 years after the bombing still cant find Bin Laden?

Maybe they aren't looking.


If we are just after the oil fields then why have we not taken them? We have been over there for quite some time however I donít see us seizing any oil fields. Also why are we taking so much trouble rebuilding Iraq if we are just trying to get their oil? How are we brainwashing the world? As I said they too are facing terrorism, is that planed by us too? The other countries that are helping us in the war on terror are doing so because they face the same threat. The US government hides lots of stuff. Thatís what security clearances are all about there is a lot of Information that we donít know. When I get my security clearance I will be able to access higher levels of information if I need to. Saddam did not have a network set up for his escape. He did not expect for us to take over Iraq so quickly because of this he left a trail to follow, and he did not have a good Hiding space. Also he was a ruler he was used to living in palaces not hiding in holes in the ground. On top of all that the locals hated him. On the other hand Bin Laden had an entire network already in place. He was better prepared and more skilled in hiding himself. He was also in an extremely had place to find people, surrounded by supporters. So he was much harder to find. We still have some people on his trail; however he really does not have much value as a target. He is little more then a symbol.

Well that and the Nazgul killed UBL in December 2001 because Usama found a pair of balls on 9/11/01.

darion - September 7, 2007 02:36 PM (GMT)
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If we are just after the oil fields then why have we not taken them? We have been over there for quite some time however I donít see us seizing any oil fields. Also why are we taking so much trouble rebuilding Iraq if we are just trying to get their oil?


Um so you mean the 150000-300000 barrels of oil missing per day from Iraq for the past 4 years means nothing? Man do you have your head in a hole or what.

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How are we brainwashing the world?


By claiming Iraq had somthing to do with 9/11 or had WMD's. How about each time Usama pops up we claim that their country is supporting terrorist. Yet so far there is no proof hes even alive let alone the head of any organization.

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Saddam did not have a network set up for his escape. He did not expect for us to take over Iraq so quickly because of this he left a trail to follow, and he did not have a good Hiding space. Also he was a ruler he was used to living in palaces not hiding in holes in the ground. On top of all that the locals hated him.


Ok they hated Saddam yet they love us right? We only killed around 800 thousand of their people so they must love us. We bombed their cities so they like that right. We occupy their lands so they feel safer for it right. Now tell me we never made anyone mad at us in Iraq.

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On the other hand Bin Laden had an entire network already in place. He was better prepared and more skilled in hiding himself. He was also in an extremely had place to find people, surrounded by supporters. So he was much harder to find. We still have some people on his trail; however he really does not have much value as a target. He is little more then a symbol.


Yes hes a symbol that Bush needs to make everyone affraid when his approval rating is down. They simply pull him out of this cell and make him do a new video. HAHA. Just kidding. However its nice timing on Usama to show a video whenever Bush is falling in the rateings or the support for the Iraq war drops. Each time a new video pops up the polls for the Iraq war also goes up.

Rossmancer - September 8, 2007 10:51 AM (GMT)
I still can't fully side myself with everything about the conspiracy, but I sure as hell can't side myself with corporate bullshit or a government. Obviously there is something fishy with 911. I'm just waiting for a better investigation.

PrInCeSs - September 8, 2007 02:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 7 2007, 09:11 AM)
Give us your expert opinion on 9-11  B)

I really dnt understand al this. i did think it was bin laden but after seein al the evidence taht this site has it really confuses me.

mabey it was an inside job but why would they do it?????

alive and still talking - September 10, 2007 01:45 AM (GMT)
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I still can't fully side myself with everything about the conspiracy, but I sure as hell can't side myself with corporate bullshit or a government. Obviously there is something fishy with 911. I'm just waiting for a better investigation.

demanding the truth is what this democracy is all about. otherwise, you might as well be living in a foreign country with limited rights. as americans, it is our nature
to question something fishy when the lives of thousands of our soldiers are at risk
over a lie.

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9enoc1democrac1 - September 11, 2007 08:31 AM (GMT)
The one thing I am certain of is that the official explanation of the events of 9/11 cannot possibly be completely true. There should really be a new, independant investigation.

And if you ask me who was responsible, I'd say, for what it's worth, I suspect it was a Neocon plan straight from the pages of the PNAC carried out with help from (elements of) the US government and military, with some help from a group of patsy Arab extremists/CIA agents. But, if truth be told, I'm not that interested in playing the blame game anyway. Better leave that to the judges.


Trapster - September 18, 2007 12:26 AM (GMT)
9/11 was a Coup...a takeover of the Government from within the government.

9/11 was planed and carried out by a cabal of financiers, industrialists and multi-trillionares. Some of their identities can be found on the rolls of the Council on Foreign Relations and the PNAC.

Their goal was multi-fold, but, in the end, basic: Continued Global Anglo-American Domination. To this end, the oil rich region of 'Central Eurasia' is important to be secured by the US military to prevent others from acquiring this oil wealth.

George W. Bush, President of the United States was kept out of the 'loop'. He was just too dumb to be included in the details aspect of the operation. However, he did have an important roll to play. His job, after he capitulated to the demands of the Coup Plotters, was to deliver an ultimatum to Putin and whip up public support for the Iraq Conquest.

At present time, another False Flag operation is in the works. The goal of that false flag attack is to create a pretext for the next US action, this time against Iran.

The time is short. In fact, there is no time. We must stand up now and speak the truth in hopes that it will act as a deterrent against this cabal. The wheels are already in motion.



Nephilem - September 18, 2007 03:02 AM (GMT)
darion,

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Um so you mean the 150000-300000 barrels of oil missing per day from Iraq for the past 4 years means nothing?

Alright first of all there is an endless list of things that are missing or unconfirmed there are many problems over there. However, the people of Iraq are still getting money for their oil. Secondly the numbers of what is missing is not sure. Lastly what we are putting into Iraq is much more then we could ever get out. War in the Middle East will always raise gas prices, and The Iraq war has been a large financial burden for the US.

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By claiming Iraq had somthing to do with 9/11 or had WMD's. How about each time Usama pops up we claim that their country is supporting terrorist.

Iraq is linked to 9-11 because it supported terrorism, financially and with weapons. Iraq also has a long rap sheet and there were many reasons to take military action against the Government of Iraq. As for Bin laden he is the head of Al Qaeda. He does not currently have that big a role but he is involved with al Qaeda. Every intelligence agency in the world would tell you that. So that really is not a question. As for proof that he is alive, while I wish we had got him by now it seems that he is still alive. In the recent video that Al Qaeda released Bin laden referenced many current events ruling out the possibility that it was an old tape.

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Ok they hated Saddam yet they love us right?

I was explaining why we were able to catch Saddam but not Bin Laden. We have made many people mad with us in Iraq however many of the citizens of Iraq are very grateful to us. We have made many things better over there, yes there are problems but there is also progress.

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Yes hes a symbol that Bush needs to make everyone affraid when his approval rating is down.

The videos pop up all the time. There is now tie between them and the Bush administration. If anything he is bad for the Bush administration because people are mad that he is still alive.

PrInCeSs,

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I really dnt understand al this. i did think it was bin laden but after seein al the evidence taht this site has it really confuses me.

Actually some of the evidence in the lose change video has been discredited. Lose change itself has admitted that its video had factual errors. So donít be confused. There are many groups out there that have counter arguments. It is good to see what all sides have to say, but just remember that not everything that is presented as fact is fact. The experts from around the world are siding with the official story, and even the terrorist take credit for the attack.

9enoc1democrac1,

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And if you ask me who was responsible, I'd say, for what it's worth, I suspect it was a Neocon plan straight from the pages of the PNAC carried out with help from (elements of) the US government and military, with some help from a group of patsy Arab extremists/CIA agents.

The problem is these ideas donít fit with the facts it is not enough to say that the official story has gaps and questions, there has to be a better theory if you are going to through the official one out. However none of the conspiracy theoryís fit with the facts. For instance the scenario that you proposed would be imposable to pull of. You donít just have terrorists, American government officials and military personal come together to carry of an attack. What brought them together and how did they keep it a secrete? You would also have to include the airline companies in with that list. The problem there is why would the airlines destroy their own business?

Trapster,

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9/11 was planed and carried out by a cabal of financiers, industrialists and multi-trillionares. Some of their identities can be found on the rolls of the Council on Foreign Relations and the PNAC.

Once again these theoryís need evidence to be valid. I addressed the false flag argument on that thread. What is the evidence, and does the theory really fit with what happened on 9-11. Also if the Islamic terror community was not responsible for 9-11 then why did they claim responsibility? I have pointed out some of the problems with the conspiracy theories. Do you have a response to those points?



NoQuestionAboutIt - September 18, 2007 03:55 PM (GMT)
10 votes on "No, Osama and the 19 hijackers carried out 9=11 on their own"?

:angry: :angry:
How the fuck?

Nephilem - September 20, 2007 02:19 AM (GMT)
NoQuestionAboutIt,

QUOTE
10 votes on "No, Osama and the 19 hijackers carried out 9=11 on their own"?

 
How the fuck?


There are votes for that option because it makes more sense then the conspiracy theories. The US Military is not going to attack their own Building. The planes had to have hit the towers. The conspiracy has more problems then the official story so people belive the official story. If you look past problems with the official story and actually examine the conspiracy theory you will start to see that the conspiracy theories are far from perfect.
For example one theory states that it was military planes not passenger planes that flew into the towers. However we donít have unmanned planes that are that big so it would have had to be a manned plane. This means that military personal had given their lives to attack their own country. What motivation would they have to do that? What would they get out of it? Also other military personal must have been in on the conspiracy hide the fact that the military personal and the plane had flown of and not come back.

phatboy - September 22, 2007 06:46 PM (GMT)
ok im new to this web page but i just found out something to the makers of loose change maybe you should find someone that used a gygacounter for radiation i just heard somepeople went there and got radiation readings of plutoium that is used in cruise missles
thank u




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