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EARTHQUAKE - July 7, 2007 06:08 PM (GMT)
Here is some information that I know about film-maker Stanley Kubrick.

1) Stanley Kubrick was once an illuminati member. His film Paths of Glory was sypathetic to a humanitarian movement over a religious one; the hero being a humanitarian. His film Lolita was sympathetic to pedophiles and pushed the idea of child sexuality and helped establish pedophile chic.

2) Stanley Kubrick is often cited by 'conspiracy theorists' as the man who filmed the footage of the 'fake moon landings' of 1969, using technology he was developing for 2001: A Space Odyssey.

3) The computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey is called HAL. The Letter after 'H' is 'I', the letter after 'A' is 'B' and the letter after 'L' is 'M'. HAL = IBM. If you watch Alex Jones Martail Law documentary you will see that IBM were implicated in Nazi extermination of the Jews.

4) A Clockwork Orange features the illuminati all-seeing eye, both, on the official poster for the film and during the scene where Alex volunteers for the scientific trials, which aim to turn him from a murderous, raping thug into a respectable member of society.

5) Stanley Kubrick's films were carefully chosen and there were only two that he didn't choose. The first was Spartacus which he was roped into doing. The second was Barry Lyndon, which he made to utilise a team he had gathered to make his intended film, which was 'Napoleon', another 'Illuminati' hero.

6) Kubrick's film 2001 refers to the heart of the Isis/Osiris mystery. The obelisk is the male aspect, the generative force. The dome refers to the female aspect, and the result is of course the Dawn, the synthesis of Isis & Osiris, who is Horus, the STAR CHILD! The Star Child at the end of 2001 is Horus, the New Man, Aquarius ... The clever ways Kubrick encorporates esoteric imagery into his art gives him away as a member of some branch of Illuminated Brethren.

7) In Dr Strangelove, Kubrick shows us Fluoridation "Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?"

8) Umberto Eco refused Kubrick's offer to film his book Foucault's Pendulum, which had an illuminati theme.

9) Stanley Kubrick had some sort of fall out with the illuminati and became reclusive not making a film for ten years.

10) He died suddenly soon after completing filming of Eyes Wide Shut, which exposed the illuminati's rituals. Mozart, a mason, died soon after revealing masonic mysteries in his opera, The Magic Flute. Author Stephen Knight, whose book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution (1975) revealed Victorian London's Whitechapel Murders as the work of ritual masonic killers, also died mysteriously. And William Morgan, author of Freemasonry Exposed (1836) was kidnapped and allegedly murdered by masons.

11) George Lucas's Star Wars is said to be a counter attack on the Illuminati. A coded film which is widely rumoured to expose how the illuminati (shown as the Sith in Star Wars) work behind the scenes of governments orchestrating wars to gain a single purpose of control of the galaxy. George Lucas and Kubrick attended the same film school.

12) 2001: A Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke was once also rumoured to be coded pedophile propaganda. All I remember about this was that the monolith was meant to represent a penis.

If anybody has any other information, I would be interested to hear it.

Note: A lot of new information has been added, see page 3 of the thread for fresh info.

Charlie Brown - July 7, 2007 06:11 PM (GMT)
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) Stanley Kubrick was once an illuminati member. His film Paths of Glory was sypathetic to a humanitarian movement over a religious one; the hero being a humanitarian. His film Lolita was sympathetic to pedophiles and pushed the idea of child sexuality.


Thats disgusting.


I'll look for more info on this guy..

onehourbytheconcretelake - July 7, 2007 06:18 PM (GMT)
interesting observations. How did you find out about these things? Or did you simply observe them?

do you think anything will happen to George Lucas?

chucksheen - July 7, 2007 06:36 PM (GMT)
Very intesting, thanks.

EARTHQUAKE - July 7, 2007 06:42 PM (GMT)
Full Metal Jacket (1987) was an iconic depiction of the Military S&M Cult, showing the brutality of the Vietnam War preceded by US Marine Brainwashing, i.e. basic training.

Bruno - July 7, 2007 07:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 7 2007, 01:08 PM)
Here is some information that I know about film-maker Stanley Kubrick.

1) His film Lolita was sympathetic to pedophiles and pushed the idea of child sexuality and helped establish pedophile chic.


His film, Lolita, was based on the book of the same name written by Vladimir Nabokov. The concepts in Lolita...the movie...were Nabokov's, not Kubrick's.

tower - July 7, 2007 07:19 PM (GMT)
"Lolita" wasn't Kubrick's idea, it was an adaptation of a book by Vladimir Nabokov.

Bavarian Illuminatis were founded in 1776 and existed till 1784, when Karl Theodor's (ruler of Bavaria at that time) government put a ban on all secret societies. Stanley Kubrick was born in 1928 and died in 1999, therefore, he couldn't possibly be a member of the Illuminati.

onehourbytheconcretelake - July 7, 2007 07:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 07:19 PM)
"Lolita" wasn't Kubrick's idea, it was an adaptation of a book by Vladimir Nabokov.

Bavarian Illuminatis were founded in 1776 and existed till 1784, when Karl Theodor's (ruler of Bavaria at that time) government put a ban on all secret societies. Stanley Kubrick was born in 1928 and died in 1999, therefore, he couldn't possibly be a member of the Illuminati.

how do you know they completely disappeared?

tower - July 7, 2007 07:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onehourbytheconcretelake @ Jul 7 2007, 07:21 PM)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 07:19 PM)
"Lolita" wasn't Kubrick's idea, it was an adaptation of a book by Vladimir Nabokov.

Bavarian Illuminatis were founded in 1776 and existed till 1784, when Karl Theodor's (ruler of Bavaria at that time) government put a ban on all secret societies. Stanley Kubrick was born in 1928 and died in 1999, therefore, he couldn't possibly be a member of the Illuminati.

how do you know they completely disappeared?

The people who were in the society didn't disappear, the society ceased to exist. In the last 223 years there has not been a single sign of their activity.

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3) The computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey is called HAL. The Letter after 'H' is 'I', the letter after 'A' is 'B' and the letter after 'L' is 'M'. HAL = IBM. If you watch Alex Jones Martail Law documentary you will see that IBM were implicated in Nazi extermination of the Jews.

IBM didn't only do that, it's your association of facts, for someone else it could be a sign that HAL is a product of IBM, a computer of the future. We won't ever know if HAL + 1 letter = IBM has any meaning whatsoever.

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4) A Clockwork Orange features the illuminati all-seeing eye, both, on the official poster for the film and during the scene where Alex volunteers for the scientific trials, which aim to turn him from a murderous, raping thug into a respectable member of society.

No, it does not. Here's the all seeing eye:
user posted image
And here's the movie poster:
user posted image

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5) Stanley Kubrick's films were carefully chosen and there were only two that he didn't choose. The first was Spartacus which he was roped into doing. The second was Barry Lyndon, which he made to utilise a team he had gathered to make his intended film, which was 'Napoleon', another 'Illuminati' hero.

How was Napoleon an Illuminati hero, I'll never understand.

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6) Kubrick's film 2001 refers to the heart of the Isis/Osiris mystery. The obelisk is the male aspect, the generative force. The dome refers to the female aspect, and the result is of course the Dawn, the synthesis of Isis & Osiris, who is Horus, the STAR CHILD! The Star Child at the end of 2001 is Horus, the New Man, Aquarius ... The clever ways Kubrick encorporates esoteric imagery into his art gives him away as a member of some branch of Illuminated Brethren.

Or someone who knows more than your average dumbed down American and has any interest in different cultures, (for example a scientist, or a hobbyist) or finds beauty in the artistic works of the past (for example, an artist).

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8) Umberto Eco refused Kubrick's offer to film his book Foucault's Pendulum, which had an illuminati theme.

No, it was about a group of people who decided to create their own conspiracy.

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9) Stanley Kubrick had some sort of fall out with the illuminati and became reclusive not making a film for ten years.

Or he had this strange thing we call break.

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10) He died suddenly soon after completing filming of Eyes Wide Shut, which exposed the illuminati's rituals.

No, it's about sexual adventures of Dr. William Harford.

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11) George Lucas's Star Wars is said to be a counter attack on the Illuminati. A coded film which is widely rumoured to expose how the illuminati (shown as the Sith in Star Wars) work behind the scenes of governments orchestrating wars to gain a single purpose of control of the galaxy.

Sith lords didn't work behind the scenes, they created the first Galactic Empire with a regular army. And if you're talking about the 1, 2 and 3 parts, then Siths weren't orchestrating wars, they took over the Republic and then started wars.

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12) 2001: A Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke was once also rumoured to be coded pedophile propaganda. All I remember about this was that the monolith was meant to represent a penis.

Sounds like reviewer's fantasy.

onehourbytheconcretelake - July 7, 2007 07:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (onehourbytheconcretelake @ Jul 7 2007, 07:21 PM)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 07:19 PM)
"Lolita" wasn't Kubrick's idea, it was an adaptation of a book by Vladimir Nabokov.

Bavarian Illuminatis were founded in 1776 and existed till 1784, when Karl Theodor's (ruler of Bavaria at that time) government put a ban on all secret societies. Stanley Kubrick was born in 1928 and died in 1999, therefore, he couldn't possibly be a member of the Illuminati.

how do you know they completely disappeared?

The people who were in the society didn't disappear, the society ceased to exist. In the last 223 years there has not been a single sign of their activity.

but how do you know all of this? do you have any evidence that they don't exist as a society anymore? I mean aren't they secret, so that would mean there's not much public data that we can find of their activities.

What about the freemasons, Zionists, etc? I personally *think* that they are all working together with the illuminati, but it's not the illuminati by itself that is trying to control our world.

what do you think?

tower - July 7, 2007 07:48 PM (GMT)
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but how do you know all of this? do you have any evidence that they don't exist as a society anymore? I mean aren't they secret, so that would mean there's not much public data that we can find of their activities.

Your logic is flawed and bases on assumption that if we cannot prove something does not exist, then it exists.

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What about the freemasons, Zionists, etc? I personally *think* that they are all working together with the illuminati, but it's not the illuminati by itself that is trying to control our world.

You may think whatever you want, I want proof.


onehourbytheconcretelake - July 7, 2007 07:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 07:48 PM)
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but how do you know all of this? do you have any evidence that they don't exist as a society anymore? I mean aren't they secret, so that would mean there's not much public data that we can find of their activities.

Your logic is flawed and bases on assumption that if we cannot prove something does not exist, then it exists.

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What about the freemasons, Zionists, etc? I personally *think* that they are all working together with the illuminati, but it's not the illuminati by itself that is trying to control our world.

You may think whatever you want, I want proof.

lol well they were and are assumptions I admit that. I am just open to evidence and mainly *think* that they still exist, but maybe not openly in a group named the illuminati, but more secretively. Of course I don't have evidence for that, it's just plain observations and thoughts.

What about your evidence that they do not exist anymore? I asked some questions above.

tower - July 7, 2007 07:57 PM (GMT)
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lol well they were and are assumptions I admit that. I am just open to evidence and mainly *think* that they still exist, but maybe not openly in a group named the illuminati, but more secretively. Of course I don't have evidence for that, it's just plain observations and thoughts.

More imagination than observation.
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What about your evidence that they do not exist anymore? I asked some questions above.

I don't have the evidence that they don't exist, as it's not necessary. Do you need evidence that underpants gnomes don't exist not to believe in them?

onehourbytheconcretelake - July 7, 2007 08:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 07:57 PM)
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lol well they were and are assumptions I admit that. I am just open to evidence and mainly *think* that they still exist, but maybe not openly in a group named the illuminati, but more secretively. Of course I don't have evidence for that, it's just plain observations and thoughts.

More imagination than observation.
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What about your evidence that they do not exist anymore? I asked some questions above.

I don't have the evidence that they don't exist, as it's not necessary. Do you need evidence that underpants gnomes don't exist not to believe in them?

so what about the people of the once real illuminati? Do they still work for some secret plot?

tower - July 7, 2007 08:06 PM (GMT)
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so what about the people of the once real illuminati? Do they still work for some secret plot?

The oldest living person, Jeanne Calment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment) lived for 122 years. Even assuming that a hypothetical member of Illuminati was born in the last year of their existance, that is 1784 and joined them as a newborn, if he lived as long as Jeanne Calment, he'd still have to live 101 years longer to "still work for [on?] some secret plot". In other words, people of the once real Illuminati have been dead for about 200 years.

onehourbytheconcretelake - July 7, 2007 08:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 08:06 PM)
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so what about the people of the once real illuminati? Do they still work for some secret plot?

The oldest living person, Jeanne Calment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment) lived for 122 years. Even assuming that a hypothetical member of Illuminati was born in the last year of their existance, that is 1784 and joined them as a newborn, if he lived as long as Jeanne Calment, he'd still have to live 101 years longer to "still work for [on?] some secret plot". In other words, people of the once real Illuminati have been dead for about 200 years.

what about any successors? Were there any groups that were involved with the once real illuminati?

Hierosis - July 7, 2007 08:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 7 2007, 06:08 PM)
Here is some information that I know about film-maker Stanley Kubrick.

1) Stanley Kubrick was once an illuminati member. His film Paths of Glory was sypathetic to a humanitarian movement over a religious one; the hero being a humanitarian. His film Lolita was sympathetic to pedophiles and pushed the idea of child sexuality and helped establish pedophile chic.

2) Stanley Kubrick is often cited by 'conspiracy theorists' as the man who filmed the footage of the 'fake moon landings' of 1964, using technology he was developing for 2001: A Space Odyssey.

3) The computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey is called HAL. The Letter after 'H' is 'I', the letter after 'A' is 'B' and the letter after 'L' is 'M'. HAL = IBM. If you watch Alex Jones Martail Law documentary you will see that IBM were implicated in Nazi extermination of the Jews.

4) A Clockwork Orange features the illuminati all-seeing eye, both, on the official poster for the film and during the scene where Alex volunteers for the scientific trials, which aim to turn him from a murderous, raping thug into a respectable member of society.

5) Stanley Kubrick's films were carefully chosen and there were only two that he didn't choose. The first was Spartacus which he was roped into doing. The second was Barry Lyndon, which he made to utilise a team he had gathered to make his intended film, which was 'Napoleon', another 'Illuminati' hero.

6) Kubrick's film 2001 refers to the heart of the Isis/Osiris mystery. The obelisk is the male aspect, the generative force. The dome refers to the female aspect, and the result is of course the Dawn, the synthesis of Isis & Osiris, who is Horus, the STAR CHILD! The Star Child at the end of 2001 is Horus, the New Man, Aquarius ... The clever ways Kubrick encorporates esoteric imagery into his art gives him away as a member of some branch of Illuminated Brethren.

7) In Dr Strangelove, Kubrick shows us Fluoridation "Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?"

8) Umberto Eco refused Kubrick's offer to film his book Foucault's Pendulum, which had an illuminati theme.

9) Stanley Kubrick had some sort of fall out with the illuminati and became reclusive not making a film for ten years.

10) He died suddenly soon after completing filming of Eyes Wide Shut, which exposed the illuminati's rituals. Mozart, a mason, died soon after revealing masonic mysteries in his opera, The Magic Flute. Author Stephen Knight, whose book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution (1975) revealed Victorian London's Whitechapel Murders as the work of ritual masonic killers, also died mysteriously. And William Morgan, author of Freemasonry Exposed (1836) was kidnapped and allegedly murdered by masons.

11) George Lucas's Star Wars is said to be a counter attack on the Illuminati. A coded film which is widely rumoured to expose how the illuminati (shown as the Sith in Star Wars) work behind the scenes of governments orchestrating wars to gain a single purpose of control of the galaxy. George Lucas and Kubrick attended the same film school.

12) 2001: A Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke was once also rumoured to be coded pedophile propaganda. All I remember about this was that the monolith was meant to represent a penis.

If anybody has any other information, I would be interested to hear it.

That's some crazy speclation. First, Kubrick was not a member of the "Illuminati" as the organization existed from 1776-1784 before the free masons smashed it.

Second, everything above is speculative, except the IBM/HAL thing, which was just artitistic statement and a great way to take a subtle shot at IBM.

Further, if the Kubrick was letting out any deep secrets don't you think they would have made sure the film (Eyes Wide Shut) never came out??? Seems like that would be more important than killing him.

onehourbytheconcretelake - July 7, 2007 08:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hierosis @ Jul 7 2007, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 7 2007, 06:08 PM)
Here is some information that I know about film-maker Stanley Kubrick.

1)  Stanley Kubrick was once an illuminati member.  His film Paths of Glory was sypathetic to a humanitarian movement over a religious one; the hero being a humanitarian. His film Lolita was sympathetic to pedophiles and pushed the idea of child sexuality and helped establish pedophile chic.

2)  Stanley Kubrick is often cited by 'conspiracy theorists' as the man who filmed the footage of the 'fake moon landings' of 1964, using technology he was developing for 2001: A Space Odyssey.

3)  The computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey is called HAL.  The Letter after 'H' is 'I', the letter after 'A' is 'B' and the letter after 'L' is 'M'.  HAL = IBM.  If you watch Alex Jones Martail Law documentary you will see that IBM were implicated in Nazi extermination of the Jews.

4)  A Clockwork Orange features the illuminati all-seeing eye, both, on the official poster for the film and during the scene where Alex volunteers for the scientific trials, which aim to turn him from a murderous, raping thug into a respectable member of society.

5)  Stanley Kubrick's films were carefully chosen and there were only two that he didn't choose.  The first was Spartacus which he was roped into doing.  The second was Barry Lyndon, which he made to utilise a team he had gathered to make his intended film, which was 'Napoleon', another 'Illuminati' hero.

6)  Kubrick's film 2001 refers to the heart of the Isis/Osiris mystery. The obelisk is the male aspect, the generative force. The dome refers to the female aspect, and the result is of course the Dawn, the synthesis of Isis & Osiris, who is Horus, the STAR CHILD! The Star Child at the end of 2001 is Horus, the New Man, Aquarius ...  The clever ways Kubrick encorporates esoteric imagery into his art gives him away as a member of some branch of Illuminated Brethren.

7)  In Dr Strangelove, Kubrick shows us Fluoridation "Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?"

8)  Umberto Eco refused Kubrick's offer to film his book Foucault's Pendulum, which had an illuminati theme.

9)  Stanley Kubrick had some sort of fall out with the illuminati and became reclusive not making a film for ten years.

10)  He died suddenly soon after completing filming of Eyes Wide Shut, which exposed the illuminati's rituals. Mozart, a mason, died soon after revealing masonic mysteries in his opera, The Magic Flute. Author Stephen Knight, whose book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution (1975) revealed Victorian London's Whitechapel Murders as the work of ritual masonic killers, also died mysteriously. And William Morgan, author of Freemasonry Exposed (1836) was kidnapped and allegedly murdered by masons.

11)  George Lucas's Star Wars is said to be a counter attack on the Illuminati.  A coded film which is widely rumoured to expose how the illuminati (shown as the Sith in Star Wars) work behind the scenes of governments orchestrating wars to gain a single purpose of control of the galaxy.  George Lucas and Kubrick attended the same film school.

12)  2001: A Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke was once also rumoured to be coded pedophile propaganda.  All I remember about this was that the monolith was meant to represent a penis.

If anybody has any other information, I would be interested to hear it.

That's some crazy speclation. First, Kubrick was not a member of the "Illuminati" as the organization existed from 1776-1784 before the free masons smashed it.

Second, everything above is speculative, except the IBM/HAL thing, which was just artitistic statement and a great way to take a subtle shot at IBM.

Further, if the Kubrick was letting out any deep secrets don't you think they would have made sure the film (Eyes Wide Shut) never came out??? Seems like that would be more important than killing him.

well not many in the mainstream know what "eyes wide shut" is about, if it's about the illuminati. I personally don't really know, but have heard before that it's about the secret things the illuminati do. I've never seen it, so I don't really know.

tower - July 7, 2007 09:01 PM (GMT)
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what about any successors? Were there any groups that were involved with the once real illuminati?

None that I know of. Some Freemasons were members of the Illuminati, but there's no known evidence of Masons supporting them.

Hierosis - July 7, 2007 10:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onehourbytheconcretelake @ Jul 7 2007, 08:46 PM)
QUOTE (Hierosis @ Jul 7 2007, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 7 2007, 06:08 PM)
Here is some information that I know about film-maker Stanley Kubrick.

1)  Stanley Kubrick was once an illuminati member.  His film Paths of Glory was sypathetic to a humanitarian movement over a religious one; the hero being a humanitarian. His film Lolita was sympathetic to pedophiles and pushed the idea of child sexuality and helped establish pedophile chic.

2)  Stanley Kubrick is often cited by 'conspiracy theorists' as the man who filmed the footage of the 'fake moon landings' of 1964, using technology he was developing for 2001: A Space Odyssey.

3)  The computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey is called HAL.  The Letter after 'H' is 'I', the letter after 'A' is 'B' and the letter after 'L' is 'M'.  HAL = IBM.  If you watch Alex Jones Martail Law documentary you will see that IBM were implicated in Nazi extermination of the Jews.

4)  A Clockwork Orange features the illuminati all-seeing eye, both, on the official poster for the film and during the scene where Alex volunteers for the scientific trials, which aim to turn him from a murderous, raping thug into a respectable member of society.

5)  Stanley Kubrick's films were carefully chosen and there were only two that he didn't choose.  The first was Spartacus which he was roped into doing.  The second was Barry Lyndon, which he made to utilise a team he had gathered to make his intended film, which was 'Napoleon', another 'Illuminati' hero.

6)  Kubrick's film 2001 refers to the heart of the Isis/Osiris mystery. The obelisk is the male aspect, the generative force. The dome refers to the female aspect, and the result is of course the Dawn, the synthesis of Isis & Osiris, who is Horus, the STAR CHILD! The Star Child at the end of 2001 is Horus, the New Man, Aquarius ...   The clever ways Kubrick encorporates esoteric imagery into his art gives him away as a member of some branch of Illuminated Brethren.

7)  In Dr Strangelove, Kubrick shows us Fluoridation "Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?"

8)  Umberto Eco refused Kubrick's offer to film his book Foucault's Pendulum, which had an illuminati theme.

9)   Stanley Kubrick had some sort of fall out with the illuminati and became reclusive not making a film for ten years.

10)   He died suddenly soon after completing filming of Eyes Wide Shut, which exposed the illuminati's rituals. Mozart, a mason, died soon after revealing masonic mysteries in his opera, The Magic Flute. Author Stephen Knight, whose book, Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution (1975) revealed Victorian London's Whitechapel Murders as the work of ritual masonic killers, also died mysteriously. And William Morgan, author of Freemasonry Exposed (1836) was kidnapped and allegedly murdered by masons.

11)  George Lucas's Star Wars is said to be a counter attack on the Illuminati.  A coded film which is widely rumoured to expose how the illuminati (shown as the Sith in Star Wars) work behind the scenes of governments orchestrating wars to gain a single purpose of control of the galaxy.  George Lucas and Kubrick attended the same film school.

12)  2001: A Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke was once also rumoured to be coded pedophile propaganda.  All I remember about this was that the monolith was meant to represent a penis.

If anybody has any other information, I would be interested to hear it.

That's some crazy speclation. First, Kubrick was not a member of the "Illuminati" as the organization existed from 1776-1784 before the free masons smashed it.

Second, everything above is speculative, except the IBM/HAL thing, which was just artitistic statement and a great way to take a subtle shot at IBM.

Further, if the Kubrick was letting out any deep secrets don't you think they would have made sure the film (Eyes Wide Shut) never came out??? Seems like that would be more important than killing him.

well not many in the mainstream know what "eyes wide shut" is about, if it's about the illuminati. I personally don't really know, but have heard before that it's about the secret things the illuminati do. I've never seen it, so I don't really know.

Well, the Illuminati didn't have any secretive rituals. If you research the short period they were around, you'll see that they weren't even very active. Only once the freemasons infiltrated the organization they did start to branch out and rituals were introduced. But the group quickly fell apart.

Now, there are plenty of secret societies you can research that have interesting (not necessarily nefarious) rituals, but the Illuminati was really not one.

blackcat - July 7, 2007 10:47 PM (GMT)
Arthur C Clarke says clearly in the foreward to a sequel (3001?) that the connection between IBM and HAL is a complete coincidence.

Christians for 9/11 Truth - July 7, 2007 10:54 PM (GMT)
Ilumanized or not Kubrick was most likely the best film director of all time.

Tenacious E - July 7, 2007 10:59 PM (GMT)
Watch CBC's Dark Side Of The Moon featuring Kissinger, Kubric, Rumsfeld and others.

Hierosis - July 8, 2007 01:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (blackcat @ Jul 7 2007, 10:47 PM)
Arthur C Clarke says clearly in the foreward to a sequel (3001?) that the connection between IBM and HAL is a complete coincidence.

That's called "avoiding a lawsuit." :)

onehourbytheconcretelake - July 8, 2007 02:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 09:01 PM)
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what about any successors? Were there any groups that were involved with the once real illuminati?

None that I know of. Some Freemasons were members of the Illuminati, but there's no known evidence of Masons supporting them.

do you believe the freemasons have nothing to do with the gov't operations being carried out today?

tower - July 8, 2007 07:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (onehourbytheconcretelake @ Jul 8 2007, 02:17 AM)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 09:01 PM)
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what about any successors? Were there any groups that were involved with the once real illuminati?

None that I know of. Some Freemasons were members of the Illuminati, but there's no known evidence of Masons supporting them.

do you believe the freemasons have nothing to do with the gov't operations being carried out today?

Yes.

einsteen - July 8, 2007 10:11 AM (GMT)
The only thing I know is that each film I've seen, although only 3, is something very special.

starburn - July 8, 2007 11:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tenacious E @ Jul 7 2007, 10:59 PM)
Watch CBC's Dark Side Of The Moon featuring Kissinger, Kubric, Rumsfeld and others.

You are aware it is a hoax?

8bitagent - July 8, 2007 11:58 AM (GMT)
In my opinion(again, just MY opinion)

Kubrick was all about EXPOSING the new world order agenda:

Dr Strangelove is JUST as prevelent now as it was in 1964, as it exposes the pychopathic globalists who control the US government and love war

Full Metal Jacket exposed the horrors of Vietnam

2001 exposed how the future could see humans depending on self aware AI

Clockwork Orange exposed state sponsored mind control

and MOST IMPORTANT, Eyes Wide Shut EXPOSED the Illuminati and the elites
who are into the dark hooded robe sex ritual stuff. Unfortunately, the real elites into that stuff are also into sacrifices, but Eyes Wide Shut in my view is the CLOSEST portrayal to the elite Illuminati and how they operate out of any film.

So no, he was not "illuminati" or a globalist, but all about EXPOSING their agenda.

I also take issue with Alex Jones saying Matrix 1 and 2 were propaganda, tho I agree the third one seemed to be coopted and ruined with a bad message.

Also, the last Star Wars film TOTALLY exposes the Illuminati working in government and the use of false flag terrorism

8bitagent - July 8, 2007 12:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onehourbytheconcretelake @ Jul 7 2007, 08:00 PM)
QUOTE (tower @ Jul 7 2007, 07:57 PM)
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lol well they were and are assumptions I admit that. I am just open to evidence and mainly *think* that they still exist, but maybe not openly in a group named the illuminati, but more secretively. Of course I don't have evidence for that, it's just plain observations and thoughts.

More imagination than observation.
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What about your evidence that they do not exist anymore? I asked some questions above.

I don't have the evidence that they don't exist, as it's not necessary. Do you need evidence that underpants gnomes don't exist not to believe in them?

so what about the people of the once real illuminati? Do they still work for some secret plot?

If a globalist or globalist puppet is NOT Illuminati, then they have a personal occult mystic/adviser/channeller who is.

Benjamin Franklin, Bush Sr, etc are of course famous US politicians steeped in esoteric occult order tradition. I believe Franklin may have even been involved in sacrifices

1. The "Illuminati" term, is slang for globalists fueld by dark occultic beliefs and tradition.
It is NOT the name of an actual group existing.

For instance, it was discovered that high ranking Belgium politicians as well as politicians in Italy, Portugal and Holland were involved in Satanic sex abuse and sacrifice at private castles, woods, etc. Some of this is even mainstream news.
THAT is the Illuminati, even if its not in name.
Bohemian Grove aint nothing

2. Hitler killed tens of thousands of Freemasons, and spent a lot of time trying to tell people Masons controlled the world with "the Jews". In REALITY, Hitler was merely a puppet of the Satanic global elite, and he mostly killed blue degree Masons.
Hitler might not have realized that the true secret of Masonry at the top is that
32 means light, 33 means dark...but they think dark is "light", hence Jah Bu Lon and lucifer being the lightbringer.

The highest degree of 33 means "order out of chaos", which is what the elite are all about. However, masonry, like P2 lodge, is just another satelite of something much more sinister and bigger

3. Washington and other founding fathers were Masons, however were warning people of the growing influence of the Illuminati. Masons falsely proclaim Washington as their Masonic hero next to Lucerferian racist Albert Pike, when Washington tried to distance himself in his later years from Masonry.

4. Washington DC is layed out by dark esoteric design, as is the back of the US dollar bill...changed in 1933 on advice from FDR's occult mystic.

These occult mystics like Alice Bailey help SET the new world order agenda(like the UN's UNESCO program)

When truthers talk about skull and bones, bohemian grove, etc, these are at the very low end of a very dark totem pole.

starburn - July 8, 2007 12:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hierosis @ Jul 8 2007, 01:24 AM)
QUOTE (blackcat @ Jul 7 2007, 10:47 PM)
Arthur C Clarke says clearly in the foreward to a sequel (3001?) that the connection between IBM and HAL is a complete coincidence.

That's called "avoiding a lawsuit." :)

There was no basis for one.

EARTHQUAKE - July 8, 2007 03:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bruno @ Jul 7 2007, 02:16 PM)
His film, Lolita, was based on the book of the same name written by Vladimir Nabokov. The concepts in Lolita...the movie...were Nabokov's, not Kubrick's.

This is true, but, if you look at, both Nabokov and Arthur C. Clarke and do a little research, you will find that, both, were real life pedophiles and that, both, had connections to the illuminati.

During his early career, Kubrick selected projects which pushed forward Illuminati ideas and filled his films with strong Illuminati symbolism.

Hierosis - July 8, 2007 03:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (starburn @ Jul 8 2007, 12:21 PM)
QUOTE (Hierosis @ Jul 8 2007, 01:24 AM)
QUOTE (blackcat @ Jul 7 2007, 10:47 PM)
Arthur C Clarke says clearly in the foreward to a sequel (3001?) that the connection between IBM and HAL is a complete coincidence.

That's called "avoiding a lawsuit." :)

There was no basis for one.

I was half joking. But it wasn't a coincidence. He just didn't want to piss off IBM. I first figured out the connection when I saw an interview with Kubrick years ago and he talked about how few people figured out that it was an "IBM-reference." So who knows.

Hierosis - July 8, 2007 03:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 8 2007, 03:01 PM)
QUOTE (Bruno @ Jul 7 2007, 02:16 PM)
 

This is true, but, if you look at, both Nabokov and Arthur C. Clarke and do a little research, you will find that, both, were real life pedophiles and that, both, had connections to the illuminati.


No they didn't.

EARTHQUAKE - July 8, 2007 03:26 PM (GMT)
Dear Tower,

I think you are probably an Illuminato member, though nothing past 'the Nursery' for you to have spotted the Kubrick post, replied so passionately, have illuminated written under your username and your signature picture being questionable too.

Preparation, Novice, Minerval, or Illuminatus Minor?

I suggest you watch the documentary, freely available on the internet, Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove, which is an offshoot of Skull and Bones, which, itself, is an offshoot of Illuminati.

Though you will predictably try to bring the documentary into question as suits your side of the arguement.

To Everybody Else,

To many people, the Illuminati did not disappear after the French Revolution, but went underground, assuming different names, with the ultimate goal of one day reaching a New World Order.

This Order would consist of a one world government, in which every nation will be destroyed, to be led by the few powerful men of the Illuminati. Within the New World Order are plots to centralize banks and have a single world currency, centralize and control the media and schools and to abolish all religion and morality. Where, one might ask, can those plots be seen today? One look into the history of the United States allows a bit of understanding of the conspiracy to control the world.

The Illuminati extend into many different parts of society today, with each segment bent on a New World Order.

http://www.unc.edu/~ltolles/illuminati/flowchart


EARTHQUAKE - July 8, 2007 03:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hierosis @ Jul 8 2007, 10:05 AM)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 8 2007, 03:01 PM)
QUOTE (Bruno @ Jul 7 2007, 02:16 PM)
 

This is true, but, if you look at, both Nabokov and Arthur C. Clarke and do a little research, you will find that, both, were real life pedophiles and that, both, had connections to the illuminati.


No they didn't.

Clarke's first venture into film was the Stanley Kubrick-directed 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick and Clarke had met in 1964 to discuss the possibility of a collaborative film project. As the idea developed, it was decided that the story for the film was to be loosely based on Clarke's short story The Sentinel, written in 1948 as an entry in a BBC short story competition. Originally, Clarke was going to write the screenplay for the film, but this proved to be more tedious than he had estimated. Instead, Kubrick and Clarke decided it would be best to write a novel first and then adapt it for the film upon its completion. However, as Clarke was finishing the book, the screenplay was also being written simultaneously.

Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke knew, as they were writng it that it would have illuminati themes.

LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light…Doubt it not!—Albert Pike, preeminent Masonic authority, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321

These ideas come from a chapter on the Rise of Lucifer in the book version of 2010: Odyssey Two. In Clarke’s Lucifer Rising story line, the hydrogen atmosphere on the planet Jupiter is ignited. The ensuing new "little" sun is dubbed "Lucifer" and illuminates the earth with its light. The result: darkness no longer existed. Fear, suspicion, and crimes of the night disappear. Mankind has become illuminated through the light of Lucifer.

To occultists and New Agers, the symbology of Arthur C. Clarke’s writing was unmistakable. Lucifer, the "light bearer" shines his knowledge (occult "truth") upon all humanity, chasing away fear and ignorance, and providing mankind with the opportunity to discover his own intellect.

Vladimir Dmitriyevich Nabokov(1869 - 1922), the Uncle of Vladmir Nabokov the writer was a member of the Russian Freemasons: Grand Orient of Russia’s Peoples. The 'Lolita' author himself has Freemason ties and was well-known for translating the works of notable freemasons such as Pushkin.

And, as for 'Freemasons smashing the illuminati', take a look at this:


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt...exagramseal.gif

Hierosis - July 8, 2007 03:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 8 2007, 03:43 PM)
QUOTE (Hierosis @ Jul 8 2007, 10:05 AM)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 8 2007, 03:01 PM)
QUOTE (Bruno @ Jul 7 2007, 02:16 PM)
 

This is true, but, if you look at, both Nabokov and Arthur C. Clarke and do a little research, you will find that, both, were real life pedophiles and that, both, had connections to the illuminati.


No they didn't.

Clarke's first venture into film was the Stanley Kubrick-directed 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick and Clarke had met in 1964 to discuss the possibility of a collaborative film project. As the idea developed, it was decided that the story for the film was to be loosely based on Clarke's short story The Sentinel, written in 1948 as an entry in a BBC short story competition. Originally, Clarke was going to write the screenplay for the film, but this proved to be more tedious than he had estimated. Instead, Kubrick and Clarke decided it would be best to write a novel first and then adapt it for the film upon its completion. However, as Clarke was finishing the book, the screenplay was also being written simultaneously.

Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke knew, as they were writng it that it would have illuminati themes.

And, as for 'Freemasons smashing the illuminati', take a look at this:


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt...exagramseal.gif

OK, I looked at it. Yes, there's masonic imagery with super-imposed red lines that form a pentagram. Am I missing anything else?

Further, what are "illuminati themes?" Again, the importance of this particular society has been beyond overstated. They were NOT anti-Christian. At least, it wasn't a mission goal for that. The freemasons helped spread the idea that they were trying to destroy Christianity to make people fear them. 220 plus years later, Christianity seems to be doing just fine.

Hierosis - July 8, 2007 03:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (EARTHQUAKE @ Jul 8 2007, 03:26 PM)
Dear Tower,

I think you are probably an Illuminato member, though nothing past 'the Nursery' for you to have spotted the Kubrick post, replied so passionately, have illuminated written under your username and your signature picture being questionable too.

Preparation, Novice, Minerval, or Illuminatus Minor?

I suggest you watch the documentary, freely available on the internet, Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove, which is an offshoot of Skull and Bones, which, itself, is an offshoot of Illuminati.

Though you will predictably try to bring the documentary into question as suits your side of the arguement.

To Everybody Else,

To many people, the Illuminati did not disappear after the French Revolution, but went underground, assuming different names, with the ultimate goal of one day reaching a New World Order.

This Order would consist of a one world government, in which every nation will be destroyed, to be led by the few powerful men of the Illuminati. Within the New World Order are plots to centralize banks and have a single world currency, centralize and control the media and schools and to abolish all religion and morality. Where, one might ask, can those plots be seen today? One look into the history of the United States allows a bit of understanding of the conspiracy to control the world.

The Illuminati extend into many different parts of society today, with each segment bent on a New World Order.

http://www.unc.edu/~ltolles/illuminati/flowchart

Do you have a source of any of this Earthquake?

EARTHQUAKE - July 8, 2007 04:09 PM (GMT)
Dear Hierosis,

I updated the post you last replied to, including more information and the links at the bottom of some of the posts should take you to a lot of sources.

Did you require a source for a particular piece of information? If so, let me know.

As for the 'super-imposed red lines that form a pentagram', the letters that each point of the triangle touches spell the word 'MASON'.

EARTHQUAKE - July 8, 2007 04:18 PM (GMT)
Tower,

You posted two images earlier, which were of the All-Seeing Eye and the Clockwork Orange Poster. Print out a copy of the image of the All-seeing eye and draw a pentogram on the front of it. What do the letters that each point of the triangle touches spell out? Because, I think they spell MASON. And, as for the Clockwork Orange poster, I see Alex (Malcolm McDowell) stood in a triangle with an giant eye hanging just below his sleeve. A triangle and an eye. Do you not see that?




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