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Title: What If Bill Clinton Were Still President?


Gunstar 1 - June 18, 2007 04:38 PM (GMT)
Hey all,

I tried my best with the questions, but if you feel they are inadequate, or even if you liked them, please feel free to discuss the hypothetical scenario----------->>> That Bill Clinton had never had to step down as President (just pretend a President's term was not limited to 8 years), and was in office still at the time of 9/11, and of course, to this very day.

Just imagine it, and try also to imagine how different America, and the world may (or may not) be today.


I for one, as a non-American, I can guarantee you that I would sleep a lot better every night, with Clinton at the helm, than I do now, with Bush and his Neo-Cons.

I just think that Clinton was so much smarter than Bush, and the fact that Clinton had so many friends around the world would mean that if America were in genuine trouble, they would be more than happy to assist- not because they are fearful of America (i.e. 'you are either with us or against us'), but because they had genuine respect for Clinton (many top leaders being close personal friends).

Look, I am not an American, so I have no idea whether or not Clinton was loved or hated by America/domestically, but I can assure you of this one undeniable fact.........


When Bill Clinton comes to visit any country, even to this very day, he is welcomed as a hero, and people totally love him, and want to meet him desperately (mostly to say, 'you were my favorite President: I wish you still were President! Why did you have to leave? and so on').

When Bush, or any of the current government comes to another country, people would love nothing more than for them to be assassinated. They would do it themselves if it were worth the risk...... There are mass-protests wherever they go, especially Bush and Cheney (and Rumsfeld, when he was still lurching around).


Clinton: Flowers, Love, Respect


Bush: Hatred, loathing, mass-rage/protest



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Maybe you Americans never think of this issue, but we sure as Hell do~!

For my part, bring back Bill before it's too late, if it's not already.



But of course I can only speak for myself. I'm sure the opinions vary greatly between all you guys, but I'm fascinated to read any further discussions on the issue.


GS1


PS. Just for anyone who may say that Clinton, while in office, was perhaps protested too (I'm sure he was sometimes), but I'm sure we can all agree, no matter what we think, that it was nothing like what Bush gets these days. I'm sure we can agree that America is far more hated now than it was pre-Bush. I mean, these are solid facts.
Just in case you don't believe me, try waving an American flag in 99% of countries around the world now------------>>> Jesus Christ, you'd have to have serious BALLS to attempt something like this, anywhere... anywhere!

And one final thing:::: Can you imagine Bush, Cheney and Co., after leaving office, going around the world like Bill does, and getting warm, sometimes hero-like welcomes for years? If you think they would. . . . . . What do YOU smoke?

Gunstar 1 - June 18, 2007 04:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gunstar 1 @ Jun 19 2007, 02:38 AM)
For my part, bring back Bill before it's too late, if it's not already.

^^^^^^^^


A correction:

Obviously you can't bring back Bill, as President at least. . . i.e. 8 years max. Sorry.

((( in my country, a leader can be in office as long as the people believe they are worthy to be. Our current leader has been re-elected 4 times, and is going for a 5th term. That's 11 years as leader so far. Second longest leader ever. unlimited time. I think this is the best system, for a proper democracy. I think it's crazy to have a system where a leader has to leave after 8 years, even if their own people love them. This is totally twisted.......................... If it's NOT broken, DON'T fix it! If a leader is doing a brilliant job and all is well, why would you want to ruin this??? I don't get it. I simply don't ))) :blink: :blink:



GS1 :huh: :huh: :huh:

alive and still talking - June 18, 2007 05:07 PM (GMT)
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE WORLD WOULD BE AT PEACE WITH THE CLINTONS IN CHARGE

911 INVESTIGATION WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED IN ERNEST. WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ

Gunstar 1 - June 18, 2007 05:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 19 2007, 03:07 AM)
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE WORLD WOULD BE AT PEACE WITH THE CLINTONS IN CHARGE

911 INVESTIGATION WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED IN ERNEST. WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ

Would you have even gone to Iraq in the first place?



Thanx for Reply, AAST. I appreciate it. ;)


GunStar

Patriotsrule60564-270 - June 19, 2007 12:18 AM (GMT)
yeah its true bill clinton cheated on his wife i mean boohoo seriously i am pretty sure ALOT of people have comited that act. sure not the best choice we all have something to hide don't we. i mean seriously the press just rants and raves about how bush is a dumb as a doorknob...well think of this why the h*ll did you vote for him why did HE win seriously people :angry:

darion - June 19, 2007 01:51 AM (GMT)
Bill was also tied to setting the stage to the Iraq war. If he wasn't involved in 9/11 then he surely didn't do anything to stop the planning during his administration. The 1993 WTC bombing was planed and executed in his turm in office. 9/11 wasn't something just thought up in the past 7 years. To think Bill would have been a better leader during 9/11 is simply absurd. A muppet is a hand controlling a doll regardless what color or type of muppet it is.

Gunstar 1 - June 19, 2007 08:54 AM (GMT)
Interesting. . .


So who is the 'Grand Puppet Master'?


Satan?


Illuminati?


New World Order?


Religious Right?


Other?


Judging by that last post, some assume that there are far darker, permanent forces working behind the scenes, regardless of who is the 'puppet' in 'charge' at the White House. Correct?


Either way, like I said, I'd still sleep better at night if Bill were there instead of Bush.


Here's a Q:

Let's say Bill also chose to attack Iraq like Bush did. . . would he have handled it better? Would it all be wrapped up and better by now? I mean, he handled Kosovo quite well from what I recall. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any US casualties in Kosovo. It sure turned out better than Iraq, much quicker too.

Thoughts on this? Other thoughts?


Please continue. . .

phoenixrises - June 19, 2007 09:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 18 2007, 12:07 PM)
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE WORLD WOULD BE AT PEACE WITH THE CLINTONS IN CHARGE

911 INVESTIGATION WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED IN ERNEST. WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ

Uh...you're joking right? Please say you are...

It's so difficult for me to believe how many "truthers" still buy into the phoney paradigm of "right vs. left". What an embarassment.

You say that if Clinton was still in charge, we wouldn't have remained in Iraq. Well uh...using your pathetically selective "logic", if Clinton were in charge, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place. We would have hunted down "the real" Osama Bin Forgotten.

Moron.

p.s. Europeans are right about us: "Progressive" U.S. citizens are stupid, lazy, and brainwashed sleepwalking robots who believe anything their grand masters say to them, so long as they pretend to be "liberal".

phoenixrises - June 19, 2007 09:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gunstar 1 @ Jun 19 2007, 03:54 AM)



Either way, like I said, I'd still sleep better at night if Bill were there instead of Bush.



Either way huh? Aren't you embarassed??

alive and still talking - June 19, 2007 10:02 AM (GMT)
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Either way huh? That's pathetically sad. 


whatsamatta, sad because you know ron paul isnt winning?

Gunstar 1 - June 19, 2007 10:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 19 2007, 08:02 PM)
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Either way huh? That's pathetically sad. 


whatsamatta, sad because you know ron paul isnt winning?

hehe


Angry little man syndrome.

Gunstar 1 - June 19, 2007 10:12 AM (GMT)
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alive and still talking - June 19, 2007 10:29 AM (GMT)
nobody wants to say it, that dude would have been re-elected for a second term
99.9%of all world leaders cheat on their wives, clinton's misfortune was that he got caught. only clinton can make peace with world leaders, we have alot of enemies now, thanks to republicans. when the shit hits the fan in iraq, the religious right will get a wakeup call.

Im predicting the religious right will forgive bill like they did their pastors
" " hillary clinton will get elected, just to get bill back in the white house
" " the wall separating the u.s. with mexico will fall down
" " the republican party will not regain power for decades to come
" " no child left behind will not include taas tests
" " parents will use voucher program to educate their kids
" " most immunization shots will no longer be forced on school children
" " israel will fall after pumping aid in the form of billions to the enemy
" " we will get our asses kicked in iraq

ILikePie - June 20, 2007 04:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 18 2007, 12:07 PM)
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE WORLD WOULD BE AT PEACE WITH THE CLINTONS IN CHARGE

911 INVESTIGATION WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED IN ERNEST. WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ

Laugh Out Loud

DILLIGAF - June 20, 2007 07:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ILikePie @ Jun 20 2007, 11:38 AM)
Laugh Out Loud

another comedian

primarysuspect - June 21, 2007 02:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 18 2007, 12:07 PM)
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE WORLD WOULD BE AT PEACE WITH THE CLINTONS IN CHARGE

911 INVESTIGATION WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED IN ERNEST. WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ

I don't think we would have gone into Iraq.

ILikePie - June 21, 2007 08:16 AM (GMT)
Wed be in Iran by now.

IVXX - June 21, 2007 10:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 18 2007, 12:07 PM)
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE WORLD WOULD BE AT PEACE WITH THE CLINTONS IN CHARGE

911 INVESTIGATION WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED IN ERNEST. WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ

We'd be in the same mess.

IVXX - June 21, 2007 10:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 18 2007, 12:07 PM)
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE WORLD WOULD BE AT PEACE WITH THE CLINTONS IN CHARGE

911 INVESTIGATION WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED IN ERNEST. WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ

We'd be in the same mess.

SPreston - June 26, 2007 01:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gunstar 1 @ Jun 19 2007, 04:54 AM)
Interesting. . .

So who is the 'Grand Puppet Master'?

Satan?

Illuminati?

New World Order?

Religious Right?

Other?

Judging by that last post, some assume that there are far darker, permanent forces working behind the scenes, regardless of who is the 'puppet' in 'charge' at the White House. Correct?

Either way, like I said, I'd still sleep better at night if Bill were there instead of Bush.

Here's a Q:

Let's say Bill also chose to attack Iraq like Bush did. . . would he have handled it better? Would it all be wrapped up and better by now? I mean, he handled Kosovo quite well from what I recall. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any US casualties in Kosovo. It sure turned out better than Iraq, much quicker too.

Thoughts on this? Other thoughts?
Please continue. . .

Answer: The New World Order which is basically Corporate Fascism. Satan is most likely their religious head similar to the devil worshippers Bush, Walker, Bush, Bush, and Kerry in their Skull & Bones Secret Society. The New World Order motto is endless wars for endless profits. Bush is trying his best and the next DemoPublican will likely do the same. Republican Libertarian Congressman Ron Paul is dead set against a New World Order and wide-open borders and outsourcing of American jobs and endless wars for endless profits, but the elitists will likely assassinate him long before he gets anywhere near the White House.
As to the 1999 bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, there were no gigantic oil fields and no chance for Halliburton and the other war profiteers to make the big bucks rebuilding.
But the war profiteers made plenty of money there, because they make mucho moola off every side in every war. War is good for profits.
Nah the New World Order still wanted their endless wars for endless profits in the Middle East, so Clinton would have made little difference. Don't forget Kerry said he would have kept us in Iraq, so it would have continued a quagmire for profit.
These DemoPublican traitors are very much alike. They just choose different methods to bamboozle the gullible American sheeple.

Club of Rome
http://www.honestmoneyreport.com/archives/2007/0105.php

What is the New World Order?
http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm

Novus Ordo Seclorum New World Order Globalization
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt...wworldindex.htm

Shadow - July 25, 2007 07:50 PM (GMT)
I think something like 9/11 was bound to happen sooner or later regardless of whether Clinton or Bush was President. If 9/11 was an inside job, like most people in here (including myself) tend to believe, then it just would have happened at a later time when some other control freak became President. Bill Clinton could've remained President for the rest of his life, but sooner or later the events of today (patriot act, other losses of rights, etc...) would have taken place.

alive and still talking - August 2, 2007 09:00 AM (GMT)
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Im predicting the religious right will forgive bill like they did their pastors
" " hillary clinton will get elected, just to get bill back in the white house
" " the wall separating the u.s. with mexico will fall down
" " the republican party will not regain power for decades to come
" " no child left behind will not include taas tests
" " parents will use voucher program to educate their kids
" " most immunization shots will no longer be forced on school children
" " israel will fall after pumping aid in the form of billions to the enemy
" " we will get our asses kicked in iraq
whether anyone thinks we would be in the same mess or not, the american people are too predictable, the outcome is inevitable, the only thing republicans have to throw at them is mitt romney
ron paul is the obvious choice, but the republican party is too busy trying to suffocate
his chances to be heard




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