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Title: For You, What Is The Most Damning Evidence?
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GunStar1 - June 13, 2007 09:29 AM (GMT)
Please correct me if I'm wrong anywhere; if I have asked wrong questions.

:ph43r:

Eckolaker - June 13, 2007 03:33 PM (GMT)
There are quite a few things that stand out more then anything that involves the actual planes.

The Pakistani ISI connection: Lt. Gen Mahmoud Ahmad ordered the wire transfer of $100,000 to Mohamed Atta a few weeks before 9/11.

On the morning of 9/11 Lt. Gen. Ahmad was meeting with Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Bob Graham in Washington for a breakfast meeting.

Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Bob Graham headed up the joint Congressional inquiry into 9/11.

On 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference in which he discussed $2.3 Trillion dollars in missing pentagon funds were being investigated. Unfortunately the Offices and several of the people doing the investigation were either killed or destroyed in the attack on the pentagon.

Any of Sibel Edmonds testimony to the 9/11 commission (all of which was either omitted or redacted).

Norman Mineta's testimony before the 9/11 commission which contridicts the official account of Dick Cheney's where abouts on 9/11.

At the 2001 G8 World Summit, world leaders slept on boats due to specific threats that had been made suggestion commercial air liners would be used as missiles to crash into buildings.

The August 6th 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing entitled: Osama Bin Laden Determined to attack within the U.S.

Project Able Danger: A Joint Chiefs operation to track known terrorist and possible terrorist subjects within the U.S.. Just prior to 9/11 an FBI task force had identified several of the hijackers, but the project was abruptly halted by the joint chiefs.

darion - June 13, 2007 04:55 PM (GMT)
Don't forget the 2.3 trillion missing the day before 9/11. To be honest there isn't 1 point that's most damaging. It's the numerous anomalies prior to 9/11 during 9/11 and after 9/11 that make up the true objectives of the people behind 9/11.

Eckolaker - June 13, 2007 05:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (darion @ Jun 13 2007, 09:55 AM)
Don't forget the 2.3 trillion missing the day before 9/11. To be honest there isn't 1 point that's most damaging. It's the numerous anomalies prior to 9/11 during 9/11 and after 9/11 that make up the true objectives of the people behind 9/11.

QUOTE (Eckolaker)
On 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference in which he discussed $2.3 Trillion dollars in missing pentagon funds were being investigated. Unfortunately the Offices and several of the people doing the investigation were either killed or destroyed in the attack on the pentagon.

GunStar1 - June 13, 2007 07:48 PM (GMT)
I probably should have added the put-options too.


Those last couple of ideas from you guys would have been perfect too.


It would have been better if someone else formulated the questions, but they were just off the top of my head. :blink:



Good discussion anyway, guys, keep it coming ;)

GunStar1 - June 13, 2007 07:55 PM (GMT)
Did anyone see this edition of the BBC Conspiracy Files?. . .


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/cons...les/6160775.stm


I missed it, but looks interesting.

alive and still talking - June 15, 2007 05:05 PM (GMT)
all of the above, so i picked "other"I believe our women were abducted by aliens, everybody is walking around in a trance, like an zombie. aliens have been coming
here for years... NOT. BUT THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE TRANCE

there was a time when the tiniest little inconsistency would trigger
mass investigations, and immediate impeachment proceedings

GunStar1 - June 16, 2007 07:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 16 2007, 03:05 AM)
there was a time when the tiniest little inconsistency would trigger
mass investigations, and immediate impeachment proceedings

"I call on all nations, to stop these terrorist killers......... now watch this drive."

- George 'Dubbya' Bush


but give the poor man a break, his job: it's tough...


"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

:lol:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushquo...ushisms2006.htm

primarysuspect - June 17, 2007 10:05 PM (GMT)
I don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy.

What I don't "get" though is how the FBI confiscated video tape that may have captured the plane hitting the Pentagon. So I voted "other" because I didn't see that over there.

Maybe someone can tell me why the tapes were confiscated. I have not heard a good reason for that.

I have also heard that Boeing has refused to answer questions about the performacnes of the 767 and 757 aircraft when asked. What could be the possible reasoning for that?

But every time I think there may be some official shenanigans, some jerk like Webster Tarpley finds a microphone and lets me know that the 911 conspiracy mongers are honeycombed with some real loonies. :ph43r:

alive and still talking - June 18, 2007 03:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
But every time I think there may be some official shenanigans, some jerk like Webster Tarpley finds a microphone and lets me know that the 911 conspiracy mongers are honeycombed with some real loonies. 

there's an old saying, birds of a feather FLOCK TOGETHER. that's why youre here!
my opinion is, those who prefer to always believe EVERY PIECE OF CRAP FED TO THEM are not mentally competent, they just THINK they are, they dont have a clue. THERE ARE RUMORS that borderline autism is more prevalent than previously thought, would then explain BUSHMANIA. they would prefer to believe the government, even if they were told the FRIGGIN sky was falling

google georgewashingtons blog, message me ANYTIME, welcome to the forum!

phoenixrises - June 19, 2007 10:02 AM (GMT)
I think there are smoking guns that are even more damning than the ones you listed, such as the lack of aircraft defense for hours on 9/11 (probly the biggest one of all) along with the standown of Norad. But from the ones you did list, I chose WTC7.

alive and still talking - June 19, 2007 10:09 AM (GMT)
half the families of dead new yorkers interviewed point to norad as their 1st clue

wildbill - June 19, 2007 09:59 PM (GMT)
Hello everyone! My first post here but I follow this issue on DU and 911blogger.

One thing too that gets me is how the heck did the Secret Service know they, Bush, and those children at that school weren't targets and that a plane wasn't going to come crashing onto their heads any second! They should have whisked Bush to safety IMHO!

And the BBC reporting that #7 had collapsed as it still stood there in their video!

primarysuspect - June 21, 2007 02:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (wildbill @ Jun 19 2007, 04:59 PM)
Hello everyone! My first post here but I follow this issue on DU and 911blogger.

One thing too that gets me is how the heck did the Secret Service know they, Bush, and those children at that school weren't targets and that a plane wasn't going to come crashing onto their heads any second! They should have whisked Bush to safety IMHO!

And the BBC reporting that #7 had collapsed as it still stood there in their video!

Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack. From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the $20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers? Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation? I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy. Cheney? Same problem. He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too.

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:

wildbill - June 22, 2007 02:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (primarysuspect @ Jun 21 2007, 02:00 AM)

Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack. From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the $20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers? Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation? I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy. Cheney? Same problem. He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too.

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:

Nope! It was public knowledge where he'd be! Ever hear of google maps?
It's not hard to pick out a school!

As far as Bush himself planning or organizing it, no he didn't, duh! Others did that part! His part is to reap the rewards!
By the way, here's a link for am interesting video for you and others to consider.
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Why do I get the feeling you won't appreciate it?


Big Mowma - June 22, 2007 03:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (primarysuspect @ Jun 20 2007, 09:00 PM)
Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy.  Cheney?  Same problem.  He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too. 

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:

QUOTE

First time posting here. Of course Bush isn't smart enough to run this show...never was! He's the puppet and others are pulling the strings. I think Cheney is the liason between the string pullers and Bush. Where are the passengers? That's my big question but when people are given power to rule over others, anything is possible. But we're not supposed to question anything, right? Color me unpatriotic.

DILLIGAF - June 22, 2007 03:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 17 2007, 10:57 PM)
there's an old saying

4. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video)

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl...dumbquotes2.htm

-bush

primarysuspect - June 24, 2007 04:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (wildbill @ Jun 21 2007, 09:47 PM)
QUOTE (primarysuspect @ Jun 21 2007, 02:00 AM)

Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack.  From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the $20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers?  Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation?  I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy.  Cheney?  Same problem.  He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too. 

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:

Nope! It was public knowledge where he'd be! Ever hear of google maps?
It's not hard to pick out a school!

As far as Bush himself planning or organizing it, no he didn't, duh! Others did that part! His part is to reap the rewards!
By the way, here's a link for am interesting video for you and others to consider.
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Why do I get the feeling you won't appreciate it?

Okay, what are the rewards?

primarysuspect - June 24, 2007 05:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (wildbill @ Jun 21 2007, 09:47 PM)
QUOTE (primarysuspect @ Jun 21 2007, 02:00 AM)

Well, a non-descript school house in the middle of a neighborhood is pretty good cover from aerial attack.  From the air doing 700 knots, it is hard to pick out such a building unless it is shaped like a huge pentagon or stands over 1,100 feet in the air or has other distinguishing characteristics such as a large white dome or appears on the back of the $20.00 bill.

Furthermore, securing the exit route was likely a good idea which is why he stayed put in the schoolhouse for the time that he did.

Again, if you think 9/11 was a conspiracy and that Bush or whomever was in on it, would it not be appropriate to coincidentally have him touring a military base when the planes hit the towers?  Then he could go to the CIC or bunker or where ever and at least project that he is in command of the situation?  I mean, really, do you think the political spin doctors rife in the GOP would allow their leader to have been portrayed so ineptly if they could have controlled it?

Frankly, I don't think Bush is smart enough to organize a fantasy baseball league much less the four-part tango of a conspiracy.  Cheney?  Same problem.  He could have "accidently" been touring a military facility at the time too. 

I guess my question is that if you think it was a conspiracy designed to do _______, why would the political considerations of looking scared and inept be left to chance like they were???

:unsure:

Nope! It was public knowledge where he'd be! Ever hear of google maps?
It's not hard to pick out a school!

As far as Bush himself planning or organizing it, no he didn't, duh! Others did that part! His part is to reap the rewards!
By the way, here's a link for am interesting video for you and others to consider.
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Why do I get the feeling you won't appreciate it?

I scanned through the video. At 53:19, the part I really am confused about--the video cameras from Citgo and the Marriott hotel were confiscated.

Why?


SPreston - June 24, 2007 03:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (darion @ Jun 13 2007, 12:55 PM)
Don't forget the 2.3 trillion missing the day before 9/11. To be honest there isn't 1 point that's most damaging. It's the numerous anomalies prior to 9/11 during 9/11 and after 9/11 that make up the true objectives of the people behind 9/11.

QUOTE (Eckolaker)
On 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference in which he discussed $2.3 Trillion dollars in missing pentagon funds were being investigated. Unfortunately the Offices and several of the people doing the investigation were either killed or destroyed in the attack on the pentagon.

Yes it is the sum total of unanswered questions and contradictions and impossibilities which totally convinces me that 9-11 was an inside-job attack on our nation by our own government, most likely done with a highly trained and experienced US Military team. The overall 9-11 op was so complex and technically difficult, that it had to be carried out by a government and military force with all their expertise and sophisticated secrecy controls. The US Military is quite capable of keeping military secrets, but the bumbling politicians such as Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice and Mineta and Bush are not. Their OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory) is falling apart despite their best efforts at censoring and gag-ordering and threatening and lying and color-coded alerts. Quite obviously, angry insiders have been quietly leaking critical evidence all along. The NeoCONs at PNAC, needing their New Pearl Harbor Event had been planning 9-11 years in advance. But it seems even yet, we will have their heads.

This video of the 30 top stories of the South Tower toppling and suddenly destroying itself with steel beams and debris flying up over the debris cloud was quite convincing that at least the South Tower was a top down demolition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHGLI1Ihv0

The C-130 present at both the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crime scenes and the lies told by Colonel O'Brien are another damaging item. Perhaps an airborne command center for the two flights? That tiny hole in the ground in Pennsylvania with the tall unburned grass around it is a joke. Just how stupid do they think we are?
Lt Colonel O'Brien discusses witnessing two 9-11 crashes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUqbOgFiPDI
http://www.dma.state.mn.us/press_room/e-zi...dex.php?item=75

http://killtown.911review.org/images/fligh...rater-stahl.jpg
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc.../pacrater3.html

FBI stores Flight 93 wreckage under high security deep underground at Iron Mountain, Pennsylvania.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBkJrqV2qkQ

DILLIGAF - June 24, 2007 07:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SPreston @ Jun 24 2007, 10:04 AM)
Yes it is the sum total of unanswered questions and contradictions and impossibilities which totally convinces me that 9-11 was an inside-job

Exactly man. Even if we don't know exactly what happened, we certainly know what did not happen... i.e. the 'official story'.

It's not just one or two tiny little anomalies, it's every friggin thing. Literally nothing adds up about anything! The whole thing - and u don't have to be a god damned genius to see this - is a sloppy load of shit. It's crazy.

The question is, not whether it was an inside job, but what the hell are we going to do about it? That's the challenge. That's our challenge.

jinga.mohawk - July 5, 2007 07:03 PM (GMT)
I am a Doctor in Physics and I believe the hardest thing to explain (in my opinion) is the molten steel at the bottom of WTC7.

ixnay - July 11, 2007 07:13 AM (GMT)
For me, it's Other. Although it is a collection of everything.

The ones that are truly damning to me are the connections to the event and to AQ from the Government's side. While I agree with most of what is theorised above, there's still no 100% unquestionable proof (although it's pretty much 100% correct). So the damning evidence to me are the 100% factual sourced and confirmed connections surrounding the event and things that happen in the Middle East before, during, and after the event.

Such as the US flying Taliban members to Pakistan etc... Or as listed above, the CIA regional chief meeting with Osama bin Laden in 2001 prior to 9/11.

They get labeled as "mistakes" :rolleyes:

marcusnavy - July 28, 2007 05:12 AM (GMT)
you have to take into account that any passenger flight will carry roughly 200 passengers. any american ive ever talked to said that they would ever let 4 men with of all things boxcutters take over their plane. it lowers your intelligence to imply that other people have no care for their own life. thus leaving the option for remote control, or the hijakers were piloting it the whole time, or maybe it wasnt even a passenger airliner... if theres this much crap on the fan what are we to not speculate.

SPreston - July 28, 2007 04:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
For you, what is the most damning evidence?

The Pentagon
How in some miraculous way did that huge fuselage slip down and flow between the ground and 2nd floor slab into the interior 1st floor of the building through a 16' hole without gouging the ground outside and without destroying those cable spools, and then tearing holes through 5 more 1st floor walls and destroying numerous support columns? Why was the left wing engine or engine parts not found somewhere to the north? It is not possible for that engine without hitting something to change direction, and to enter the building through the 16' fuselage hole, is it? And it certainly did not pierce its own hole through the reinforced wall into the 1st floor Pentagon interior. This entire official Pentagon scenario is ridiculous and I can't see how anyone with a lick of common sense could believe it. <_< :lol:

Frames from Purdue University Simulation showing 757 in scale with Pentagon facade
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Arrogant Deception - Or an Attempt to Expose a Cover-up?
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/asce_en.htm

SPreston - July 28, 2007 04:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (DILLIGAF)
QUOTE (SPreston)
QUOTE (SPreston)
Yes it is the sum total of unanswered questions and contradictions and impossibilities which totally convinces me that 9-11 was an inside-job

Exactly man. Even if we don't know exactly what happened, we certainly know what did not happen... i.e. the 'official story'.

It's not just one or two tiny little anomalies, it's every friggin thing. Literally nothing adds up about anything! The whole thing - and u don't have to be a god damned genius to see this - is a sloppy load of shit. It's crazy.

The question is, not whether it was an inside job, but what the hell are we going to do about it? That's the challenge. That's our challenge.

If this was a mystery novel and the hero of the story had to investigate along the plot of the Official Conspiracy Theory,
the novel would never sell because the storyline would be too farfetched and ridiculous. :lol: :lol:

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earthica star - August 1, 2007 11:44 PM (GMT)
I think the explosions in the towers say it all... if people dont know what theyre looking at when they see them tho..
then wtc 7 is the next best evidence.

VaBch80 - August 12, 2007 09:05 PM (GMT)
This is my first post on this forum. Ive been researching 9/11 for some time now, but forgive me for any lack of knowledge.

I dont think any one thing is more impotant or more damning than the other. Im with a few of the others who posted here saying that its the cumulation of all the "evidence."

Every single piece of information is just as mind blowing as the next.

castrix the defiant - August 13, 2007 11:03 AM (GMT)
Personally I think the most damming piece of evidence for 9/11 is that, there is none.

-No major wreckage from flight 93 or the pentagon. are we to believe that two passenger aircraft along with the passengers were completely vaporised, which to my understanding is almost impossible.

-Also the fact that the data from the recovered black boxes from groud zero have never been released to the public.

-Note also that while the other black boxes are listed as bestroyed, the passport of one of the alleged hi-jakers survived the crash.

-Plus all the wreckage from the WTC buildings were sent over seas for recycling before any real evidence coud be collected.

if i have you some more info or i am wrong about the possibility being wrong then please let me know.

SPreston - August 13, 2007 03:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (earthica star)
I think the explosions in the towers say it all... if people dont know what theyre looking at when they see them tho..
then wtc 7 is the next best evidence.

I would choose the Pentagon scenario as the weakest link in their rusty and badly corroded chain of evidence holding up the Bush Regime Official Conspiracy Theory fantasy from total destruction and public ridicule. The entire Bush Regime 9-11 fantasy is filled with improbabilities and contradictions and impossibilities, and gagged and threatened crime scene witnesses, and confiscated and censored crime scene evidence, and destroyed and exported crime scene evidence, and thousands of holes and ludicrous perpetrators and outright nonsense. But I would choose the Pentagon scenario as the most outrageous. :rolleyes:

Take a look at the threads in the Pentagon Forum in the 9/11 Research area, concerning the two contradictory flight paths north and south of the Citgo gas station and the witnesses supporting the North flight path. More witnesses have been found and are being interviewed by the CIT team. The official south flight path with a 757 colliding with the Pentagon wall and exploding is quite impossible and being carefully investigated and studied. The north flight path could not correspond with the damage though the Pentagon interior and must result in a flyover above the Pentagon roof hidden behind a spectacular Hollywood effects fireball explosive cloud witnesses from the Reagan National control tower to the south, and internal preplanted explosives causing the damage to the Pentagon external wall and interior. These explosive smells and sounds and effects were witnessed by experienced military personnel inside the Pentagon. :rolleyes:

Here is what the flyover likely looked like, but unfortunately all the Arlington County 911 call-in tapes and transcripts were as usual confiscated by the FBI and kept from
the American public and investigators, and the worthless US mainstream news media would not touch this issue with a ten foot pole, and we do not know what the
people in their homes and yards surrounding the Pentagon actually saw and called-in reporting do we
? The confiscated and permanently sequestered 911 calls.
QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT) (edit) Carefully crafted video showing possible remotely piloted ?757? flight path along witnessed north of the Citgo route by Pentagon police
officers SGT William Lagasse and SGT Chadwick Brooks with bridge and fallen light poles to right of aircraft and pullup of aircraft where witnessed by Robert Turcios)
Or this?
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Ronald Reagan National Airport proximity to Pentagon where planes taking off
and landing and circling in holding patterns were a common sight.
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ChasRobSC - August 13, 2007 05:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SPreston @ Jul 28 2007, 11:04 AM)
QUOTE
For you, what is the most damning evidence?

The Pentagon
How in some miraculous way did that huge fuselage slip down and flow between the ground and 2nd floor slab into the interior 1st floor of the building through a 16' hole without gouging the ground outside and without destroying those cable spools, and then tearing holes through 5 more 1st floor walls and destroying numerous support columns? Why was the left wing engine or engine parts not found somewhere to the north? It is not possible for that engine without hitting something to change direction, and to enter the building through the 16' fuselage hole, is it? And it certainly did not pierce its own hole through the reinforced wall into the 1st floor Pentagon interior. This entire official Pentagon scenario is ridiculous and I can't see how anyone with a lick of common sense could believe it. <_< :lol:

Frames from Purdue University Simulation showing 757 in scale with Pentagon facade
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Arrogant Deception - Or an Attempt to Expose a Cover-up?
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/asce_en.htm

First post. I think there is plenty of evidence regarding all of the attacks to show that the 9/11 commission's report is inaccurate. For me, the most damning evidence it the 16' hole in the Pentagon. When I saw that, it became very clear that there is no way a Boeing 757 crashed into the building. It is just plain common sense that if the entire plane went into the building, the hole would be MUCH larger. And if the wings and tail section WERE sheared off during impact, then I could accept that the fuselage went into the building, BUT the wings and tail would have been outside. What is probably more upsetting to me is that the US government thinks that the American people are dumb enough to simply accept this story and not question it. Unfortunately, and to a large degree, at this time they appear to be correct. What is it going to take to get people to stand up and take notice?! :unsure:

abztraktmynd - August 19, 2007 10:33 PM (GMT)
2012.

alive and still talking - August 20, 2007 05:30 AM (GMT)
it's 2029, a near miss

SPreston - August 20, 2007 02:45 PM (GMT)
Do you think a 757 crashed into this building? The Gingerbread House What do you see? Large photo A building collapsed outward from internal pressures?
9-11 an Inside Job by H Titan PhD A 757? Internal planted explosives? Both?
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alive and still talking - September 9, 2007 04:32 AM (GMT)
the most damning evidence? there is so much, I dont know where to begin ...

Trapster - September 14, 2007 05:06 AM (GMT)
How about the 6 live Arab Terrorist Hijackers?

If the FBI can not identify the real perps then there is a serious problem with the Official account.

Live Terrorists=Intelligence Service Operations

IanK - September 14, 2007 12:58 PM (GMT)
The most damning evidence it what the Bush Administration have gained from the 9/11 attacks.

Look at a map of the world. Thier biggest threat was China. China made no bones about their expasionist plans.

The US has bases in the Philipines, Japan, Korea and Guam. Australia is an Ally. That covers the Pacific Region and the east. North of China doesnt matter - Only Mogolia and Siberia up there.
The invasion of Afghanistan gave them Allies and bases all around China's western and south/western region in return for aid... India, Phakistan Kurdistan etc.

Now the US controll the Afghani pipe line and they have bases close enough to threaten China on three sides.

The major US export is arms. It's always been arms. When the Cold War ended arms sales plumeted. So a war in Iraq was started. Arms sales increased.

A funny coincidence (if coincidence it is). For some reason all represionist empires in the world The Romans, Napoleon, The Nazis, the USA and the Catholic Church have all used the Eagle as their symbol. Maybe it's just the unconsionus collective. Nothing to do with this page but it just makes me wonder.

alive and still talking - September 26, 2007 01:45 AM (GMT)
there are world powers waiting for us to exhaust all resources, thus weakening our military positions in the world

Avenged62 - September 28, 2007 10:11 PM (GMT)
I think something that really needs to be talked about more is the lack of interest of getting a 9/11 investigation going right away hours after it happened. It seems that the high ups in the government tried to stop all efforts of an investigation and even when the 9/11 Commission got going they were only given 14 million dollars to do the investigation. They only wanted to give them 3 million. Not only that but there were documents that they would not let the commission view. And the special documents that were declassified to take a look at only a couple of the commission members were given the opportunity to view and after that they had to have there notes checked over before sharing the info with the rest of the group! ALSO the final report had several pages taken out because of there content. What kind of investigation is that?????

waterflaws - September 30, 2007 05:43 PM (GMT)
Also significant; the evidence that Thermate was used, and the residual subterranean pools of mmolten metal.




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