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Credo

Posted: Nov 7 2009, 01:46 AM

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http://abidewithusru.blogspot.com/2009/11/funny-story.html

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I'm Melissa Pileiro, a 19-year-old junior majoring in Journalism at Rowan University in Glassboro, New Jersey. While raised Catholic, I left for several years to explore other religions before returning to the Church in April of 2007.

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(I'm not sure how relevant to anything this is, but oh well--let's call it off-beat Friday, okay?

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Yesterday, I learned that in times of crisis, having faith is so much better than not believing in anything. After a very reluctant chat with my mother in the morning, I trudged over to get my H1N1 vaccine at a student clinic on campus. My doctor said his grandkids had gotten it, and as a medical professional who has seen me for 18 years, he recommended I get vaccinated, too.

Ironically, I had just left my Online Journalism class, and said to my professor on the way out that I'd see him Tuesday, assuming I didn't have a reaction, oink oink.

Next time, I won't jinx myself. They asked me to wait around for ten minutes following my vaccination, just to be sure that I would be okay. Well, about five minutes into the observation period I felt like someone had shoved cotton in my ears. Weird. A minute later, I was lightheaded. Weirder yet. I went over to the nurse who had vaccinated me and told her that I wasn't feeling well. The next thing I knew, I was on the floor of the health center surrounded by a half dozen nurses.

Oops.

I'm fine now, but the recovery process was certainly scary--I had never blacked out before in my life, and I was shaking when I regained consciousness. (This is likely because of a muscular condition I've had since I was born--it acts up when I'm super stressed or weak.) As soon as I realized what was going on, I turned to prayer. I got a text message right after that from one of the girls at CCM: "Are you okay? I'm right here."

Talk about guardian angels! Lisa had coincidentally been vaccinated just as I lost consciousness at the other side of the room. She stayed with me after I was stabilized and brought into a back room to wait for my parents.

Thanks be to God, I'm doing just fine today; they think it was a combination of nerves and not having enough to eat that day. But as someone who doesn't do well at all under emergency situations, I learned two important lessons from the experience:

1) Faith in God's presence in our lives can be an incredible comfort when we are alone, afraid, and have no one to turn to. I probably would have had a complete meltdown without prayer to keep me alert and focused.

2) The Christian community is more than just a group of people that share religious beliefs--we are family because we share the same Father. Family is called to look out for and support one another, even when it's scary or inconvenient.

I'm just glad to be doing okay. My dad joked last night that it would be hilarious to find out next week that The Whit had covered the clinic--I work as a features reporter and copy editor for them. Of course, there would be a photo of the nurses vaccinating students, with yours truly blacked out in the background. I've got to admit, he cracked me up.

Credo	Posted: Nov 9 2009, 05:28 PM
Seraph Group: Members Posts: 2004 Member No.: 228 Joined: 13-November 07	My sister asked her doctor about the vaccine and he told her he wouldn't recommend his own children to get it and advised as a doctor for patients not to take this vaccine.

Clare	Posted: Nov 9 2009, 05:32 PM
Mother Flump Group: Admin Posts: 13076 Member No.: 2 Joined: 9-March 06	As an MS sufferer, I'm among those on the "vaccinate quick" list. I aim to resist! -------------------- S.A.G. �If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly.� - G.K. Chesterton Add yourself to our Play the Daily Trivia Quiz

Berengaria	Posted: Nov 10 2009, 10:06 PM
Elevated Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Member No.: 539 Joined: 30-October 08	This guy demonstrates how the vaccine is made: [/QUOTE] This post has been edited by Berengaria on Nov 10 2009, 10:07 PM

Pilgrimage of Grace	Posted: Nov 10 2009, 10:59 PM
Poor Old Grumpy Group: Members Posts: 6045 Member No.: 93 Joined: 26-January 07	Well found, Berengaria. That's more or less the strength of it!

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Posted: Nov 11 2009, 01:19 AM

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Former Chief Medical Officer of Lapland Warns World:

Swine Flu Inoculation Programme is Aimed at Reducing World Population by up to 5 Billion People

This nun doesn't get to the point as quickly as the lady in the video Pilgrim posted, but I thought she gives some good detail I hadn't seen elsewhere.

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TERESA FORCADES, doctor in Public Health, reflects on the history, and gives scientific data, of A type flu and lists all the irregularities related to this subject.� She tells how they've changed the definition of "Pandemic," and about how Baxter, whom our Governments are trusting to make our H1N1 vaccines, earlier this year mixed LIVE KILLER H5N1 with H3N2 seasonal flu virus. This WOULD have caused a Pandemic.� She explains the consequences of the declaration of a PANDEMIC, the political consequences from this declaration and makes a proposal to keep calm. She calls for an urgent activation of all legal mechanism and the participation of all citizens in this matter.�

Unfortunately it's nearly an hour long. I haven't even watched it entirely myself yet.

BELL TOLLING for the Swine Flu (CAMPANAS por la gripe A) subtitled from ALISH on Vimeo.

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Posted: Nov 11 2009, 02:39 AM

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and about how Baxter, whom our Governments are trusting to make our H1N1 vaccines, earlier this year mixed LIVE KILLER H5N1 with H3N2 seasonal flu virus. This WOULD have caused a Pandemic.� �

Since the nun's video is rather long, I thought I'd post this article about one thing she talked about. Don't know if this was addressed earlier in this thread or not. It is really chilling...

http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2009/270409Baxter.htm

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Baxter To Develop Swine Flu Vaccine Despite Bird Flu Scandal
The fox has been given the duty of guarding the henhouse
Steve Watson
Monday, April 27, 2009

A U.S. based pharmaceutical company that just weeks ago was involved in a scandal involving vaccines tainted with deadly avian flu virus has been chosen to head up efforts to produce a vaccine for the Mexican swine flu that has seemingly migrated into the U.S. and Europe.

Baxter confirmed over the weekend that it is working with the World Health Organization on a potential vaccine to curb the deadly swine flu virus that is blamed for scores of deaths in Mexico and has emerged as a threat in the U.S., reports the Chicago Tribune.

Baxter has previously worked with governments all over the globe to develop and produce vaccines to protect against infectious disease or potential threats from bioterrorism. After 9/11 Baxter helped supply stockpiles of a smallpox vaccine and in 2003 the company was contracted to develop a vaccine to combat the SARS virus. In 2006 the UK Government announced plans designed to inoculate every person in the country with Baxter's vaccines in the event of a flu pandemic.

However, Baxter has a very recent and most disturbing connection to flu vaccines.

As reported by multiple sources last month, including the Times of India, vaccines contaminated with deadly live H5N1 avian flu virus were distributed to 18 countries last December by a lab at an Austrian branch of Baxter.

It was only by providence that the batch was first tested on ferrets in the Czech Republic, before being shipped out for injection into humans. The ferrets all died and the shocking discovery was made.

Czech newspapers immediately questioned whether the events were part of a conspiracy to deliberately provoke a pandemic, following up on accusations already made by health officials in other countries.

Initially, Baxter attempted to stonewall questions by invoking �trade secrets� and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident.

Since the probability of mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible, this leaves no other explanation than that the contamination was a deliberate attempt to weaponize the H5N1 virus to its most potent extreme and distribute it via conventional flu vaccines to the population who would then infect others to a devastating degree as the disease went airborne.

The fact that Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun. The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it is less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super-airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent, super-airbone, super deadly biological weapon.

Indeed, some have already suggested that the current scare could represent the use of such a weapon.

Now it has been announced that Baxter is seeking a sample of the potentially lethal never before seen form of swine/avian/human flu virus in order to assist the World Health Organization in developing a new vaccine, reaping billions in the process.

Why should Baxter be trusted, when they have already been proven to be at the very least criminally negligent, and at worst a prime suspect in attempting to carry off one of the most heinous crimes in the history of mankind?

The company has already put the safety of the entire human race at risk, and now, just a few weeks later, we're expected to invest our confidence in them and take their shots with a smile and a still tongue?

As Mike Adams of Natural News has commented, "If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter � which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world � getting away with saying, essentially, 'Oops?'"

WHO officials are reportedly still closely monitoring the investigation into Baxter's contaminated flu vaccines, seemingly they are not too concerned. Perhaps we should be.

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Posted: Nov 13 2009, 03:03 PM

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...ab-targets.html

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GPs to get bigger bonuses if they meet swine flu jab targets

By Daniel Martin
Last updated at 8:15 AM on 11th November 2009

Cash incentive: GPs will get paid �7.88 for each swine flu vaccination

Doctors are in line for huge bonuses if large numbers of their patients sign up for swine flu jabs.

Managers at a major health trust are offering extra payments on top of the �5.25 that GPs already get per injection.

If they vaccinate more than 90 per cent of those deemed at risk of the disease in their area, they will get 50 per cent more per jab - �7.88 per person.

An uptake of just 40 per cent will earn doctors an extra 10 per cent.

The extra payments are being offered by Heart of Birmingham primary care trust, according to Pulse magazine.

It is not known whether the bonuses, which would be worth thousands of pounds per practice, are available elsewhere in the country.

Last night, critics expressed outrage that GPs were getting yet more money for effectively pushing drugs on to their patients.

They said medics should not be given extra rewards simply for doing their jobs.

Doctors insist the money will go towards overtime and the extra staff needed to give the jabs.

Yet GPs have seen their pay soar since the introduction of new contracts. The average salary is now more than �106,000 - 47 per cent higher than the �72,000 they earned in 2002/03, according to the Department of Health.

Pulse reports that officials in Birmingham are worried about a second wave of swine flu over the winter.

Vaccinations are initially being offered to pregnant women and patients with underlying health problems such as asthma and diabetes.

Norman Lamb, Liberal Democrat health spokesman, said: 'It is hard to justify yet more payments to GPs. There is already an agreed payment which means that substantial amounts of money will flow to GPs.

'This agreement works on the assumption that GPs aren't motivated by what is best for their patients.

'The danger is that swine flu will become a massive money-spinner for drugs companies.'

Jackie Fletcher, of vaccination support group Jabs, said: 'There are huge questions about the integrity of vaccine decisions if doctors are paid to give them.'

A spokesman for the trust said Birmingham had been badly hit by swine flu over the summer and the bonus scheme was a carefully-considered response.

The scale of the impact of swine flu on the working-age population is starting to emerge.

Figures from the NHS Information Centre show that almost a half of all those admitted to hospital after catching the disease over the summer were aged between 17 and 59.

The figures are surprising because flu usually affects the young and the old.

They show that a bigger second wave of the illness could have a devastating impact on the economy, and could put the NHS under severe pressure.

The number of bed days spent in hospital by flu patients soared from 207 in July 2008 to 3,976 in July 2009.

Last week, an estimated 84,000 new cases of the virus were reported and experts are predicting a spike over the winter months. In July the figure stood at 100,000 a week.

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Posted: Nov 16 2009, 04:44 PM

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Leading Croatian Priest: Don't get the H1N1 Vaccine
Saturday, 14 November 2009
Controversy in Croatia after famous Croatian priest Miroslav Bustruk appealed to Croatians not to get vaccinated against the Swine flu vaccine.

In a church ceremony dedicated to St Martin, father's Bustruk statement caused an avalanche of reactions in Croatia.

What is it that he said?

"I appeal to you, to not get vaccinated for the so called Swine Flu under any circumstance. There is a plan for massive destruction of humanity worldwide. For this purpose we will see new diseases springing up everywhere" reports Croatian daily "Jutarnji List", quoting father Bustruk.

"The H1N1 vaccine itself is a very sophisticated weapon whose implanted microchip will control the health of the human being" added the Croatian priest which prompted a great deal of disagreement by Croatian officials.

In defense of his colleague stood Don Jure Zubovik who said father Bustruk's statement only defended the Church, adding - "certain people who have spoken out or warned against the vaccine are already in jail".

More will be known in few weeks when the Vatican is expted to issue a press release addressing all World's Governments.

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Mother Flump Group: Admin Posts: 13076 Member No.: 2 Joined: 9-March 06	Does anyone know if "our leaders" (ie. Obama, Brown) have been or will be vaccinated? -------------------- S.A.G. �If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly.� - G.K. Chesterton Add yourself to our Play the Daily Trivia Quiz

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Posted: Nov 17 2009, 06:23 PM

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Does anyone know if "our leaders" (ie. Obama, Brown) have been or will be vaccinated?

I've heard that Obama didn't but his daughters did. However, I must point out that I don't always believe what the goverment and/or media puts out.

It wouldn't surprise me if all his daughters got was a B12 shot, but I suppose we'll never really know. I also heard somewhere, there is some doctor who I guess is some sort of celebrity? - Dr. Oz? He was recommending getting the SF vaccine, but his wife would not let their children get it. hmmmm....

Speaking of spouses disagreeing on getting vaccinations, here is a sermon by an SSPX priest. I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but he mentions the swine flu vaccine early on. He mentions that Fr. Peter Scott, who is also a physician, warns not to get the Swine Flu Vaccine.

[I also like that this priest mentions how prospective spouses ought to make sure they agree on issues like vaccines. I have been dismayed at how sometimes it seems there is a 'warm body' approach to matchmaking in Traditional circles: "He's male & breathing; she's female & breathing. Voil�, it's a match!" (Well, okay, maybe they add the criteria that they both go to the Latin Mass, at least sometimes.) I just like it any time that the priests point out that compatibility matters in courtship. But I digress.....]

http://www.voiceofcatholicradio.com/091115...inal,20_min.mp3

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[I also like that this priest mentions how prospective spouses ought to make sure they agree on issues like vaccines...

But if one changes his/her mind, when presented with previously unknown information?

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QUOTE (Berengaria @ Nov 17 2009, 06:23 PM)

[I also like that this priest mentions how prospective spouses ought to make sure they agree on issues like vaccines. I have been dismayed at how sometimes it seems there is a 'warm body' approach to matchmaking in Traditional circles: "He's male & breathing; she's female & breathing. Voil�, it's a match!" (Well, okay, maybe they add the criteria that they both go to the Latin Mass, at least sometimes.) I just like it any time that the priests point out that compatibility matters in courtship. But I digress.....]

This is a great sermon on that kind of thing:

Holy Families Don't Just Happen

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[I also like that this priest mentions how prospective spouses ought to make sure they agree on issues like vaccines...

But if one changes his/her mind, when presented with previously unknown information?

Well, I guess that falls into the "for better or for worse" aspect.

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