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 Some Questions about Mass, please help!
MrsPogle
Posted: Oct 31 2009, 01:43 PM


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Since I have been going to the Traditional Latin Mass, I find it harder to attend a N.O. Mass sad.gif It's just not the same, made worse by the fact that in my Parish Church there is very little reverence shown before Mass and the chatter is of a level that makes it sound like Costa Coffee on a Saturday afternoon! amyadvance.gif

The problem is, there is only a Latin Mass that I can get to once a month. So what do I do to fulfil my obligation on the other 3 Sundays? The lady who takes me to Latin Mass only goes to that Mass, and feels God understands her predicament. But I cannot imagine only receiving Christ in the Eucharist once a month! I do sometimes go to another N.O. Mass during the week at a Church not in my town, and that is better, as there is an attitude of quiet reverence and prayerfulness ~ but it's still not the same.

I also have a problem being a EMHC. I'm not sure I should be, because that doesn't feel right either. But should I be making decisions on what feels right? Rather, I would like to know what is right. I don't understand why, if extraordinary ministers are extraordinary, why are they used all the time? Should a layperson offer Christ's holy blood to others? More often than not, at an N.O. Mass I receive the host only (and on the tongue). My priest has already asked me not to genuflect in front of him before receiving sad.gif so I do it in the aisle before proceeding to the front of the line.

I am on the list to be an EMHC tonight, but don't know whether to phone someone and ask them to replace me. I feel torn. If anyone can answer these 2 questions for me, or at least point me in the right direction, I would be most grateful.

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QUOTE (MrsPogle @ Oct 31 2009, 12:43 PM)
The problem is, there is only a Latin Mass that I can get to once a month. So what do I do to fulfil my obligation on the other 3 Sundays? The lady who takes me to Latin Mass only goes to that Mass, and feels God understands her predicament.

Well, I think this is one issue where it is upto one's conscience.

I don't attend the Novus Ordo, so if I can't get to a Traditional Mass, I stay home and read the missal. The spirit of the law is to hallow the Sabbath. Normally going to Mass is how one does that. But if, for whatever reason, one cannot get to Mass, there are other ways of hallowing the Sabbath. An extra rosary, read the missal, etc.

But, that's all well and good when you're only faced with missing Mass occasionally. It's different when faced with missing Mass three weeks out of four. Though, I'd still be inclined to stay home. In fact, a couple of years ago, I couldn't get to a traditional Mass for a few months, and I stayed home.

The point is, I was not missing Mass out of laziness, being hung over, or some other non-reason. My reason was conscientious. So, I'm with your friend, that God understands. But He would also understand if you had qualms about missing Mass altogether.

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I also have a problem being a EMHC. I'm not sure I should be, because that doesn't feel right either. But should I be making decisions on what feels right? Rather, I would like to know what is right.


I don't know if this helps. If you want my opinion, I don't think laypeople should distribute Holy Communion. No surprises there!


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Posted: Oct 31 2009, 03:38 PM


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QUOTE (Clare @ Oct 31 2009, 02:08 PM)
I don't know if this helps. If you want my opinion, I don't think laypeople should distribute Holy Communion. No surprises there!

I also found this on the site you linked to: http://www.catholictradition.org/Priests/privilege11.htm which has helped clarify...

Thanks, Clare!


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QUOTE (MrsPogle @ Oct 31 2009, 12:43 PM)
I am on the list to be an EMHC tonight, but don't know whether to phone someone and ask them to replace me. I feel torn.

I made the phonecall wink.gif


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Posted: Oct 31 2009, 03:47 PM


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QUOTE (Clare @ Oct 31 2009, 02:08 PM)
QUOTE (MrsPogle @ Oct 31 2009, 12:43 PM)
The problem is, there is only a Latin Mass that I can get to once a month. So what do I do to fulfil my obligation on the other 3 Sundays? The lady who takes me to Latin Mass only goes to that Mass, and feels God understands her predicament.

Well, I think this is one issue where it is upto one's conscience.

I don't attend the Novus Ordo, so if I can't get to a Traditional Mass, I stay home and read the missal. The spirit of the law is to hallow the Sabbath. Normally going to Mass is how one does that. But if, for whatever reason, one cannot get to Mass, there are other ways of hallowing the Sabbath. An extra rosary, read the missal, etc.

But, that's all well and good when you're only faced with missing Mass occasionally. It's different when faced with missing Mass three weeks out of four. Though, I'd still be inclined to stay home. In fact, a couple of years ago, I couldn't get to a traditional Mass for a few months, and I stayed home.

The point is, I was not missing Mass out of laziness, being hung over, or some other non-reason. My reason was conscientious. So, I'm with your friend, that God understands. But He would also understand if you had qualms about missing Mass altogether.

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I also have a problem being a EMHC. I'm not sure I should be, because that doesn't feel right either. But should I be making decisions on what feels right? Rather, I would like to know what is right.


I don't know if this helps. If you want my opinion, I don't think laypeople should distribute Holy Communion. No surprises there!

Basically I will just back up what Clare said. I'm with your friend and Clare; I would stay home when I can't get to the Latin Mass, and pray the Missal. There are also some Mass videos you can buy, which you could play while praying the Missal, if you found that helpful.

If you really can't stand to miss Mass on those other weekends, you might look to see if there is an Eastern Rite offered near you. I'm not too familiar with the Eastern Rites, although I went to a Ukrainian Rite during my transition, and it was infinitely more reverent & Traditional than the Novus Ordo. And for a while the sermons were decent too!

Likewise on giving out Communion. I agree with Clare, and the Michael Davies pamphlet is a good one to help with understanding that issue.

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I also have a problem being a EMHC. I'm not sure I should be, because that doesn't feel right either. But should I be making decisions on what feels right? Rather, I would like to know what is right.


You are correct to want to go with what is right, and not just feelings. Although I must say it sounds like what you are describing as "feelings" are some Catholic instincts & graces kicking in! But of course ask questions & do the research, so you know for sure. That's what I did.

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Thanks for your helpful reply, Berengaria smile.gif
Could anyone direct me as to where I could obtain a dvd of the Latin Mass?


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QUOTE (MrsPogle @ Oct 31 2009, 03:19 PM)
Thanks for your helpful reply, Berengaria smile.gif
Could anyone direct me as to where I could obtain a dvd of the Latin Mass?

This DVD, available from Southwell Books, might be of interest:

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The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven (DVD)
Kieron Wood

Synopsis:
An instructional DVD on how to celebrate the traditional Latin Mass (1962 Missal), suitable for clergy wishing to learn the Tridentine Mass, and for laity wishing more fully to understand the traditional liturgy.

Further Information:
With interest in the traditional Latin Mass increasing amongst clergy and laity alike, the release of this film in DVD format couldn’t come at a better time. Kieron Wood, former Irish TV journalist, originally made this instructional video in 1991. It received widespread praise for its clarity, professionalism and beauty. He has now updated it to incorporate technical improvements and the latest historical developments regarding the status of the Mass (including the text of the recently published motu proprio Summorum Pontificum).

The DVD takes the viewer step-by-step through the movements and gestures of the traditional Latin Mass. Filmed during a regular Sunday Mass in Dublin, it looks at the history of the Mass, examines the origin and meaning of the altar and vestments, and stresses the importance of precision and care in the celebration of this 1500-year-old rite.



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Posted: Oct 31 2009, 05:16 PM


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QUOTE (MrsPogle @ Oct 31 2009, 03:19 PM)

Could anyone direct me as to where I could obtain a dvd of the Latin Mass?

I wish I could find a good place for you. I know there was one of Fr. Doran offering Mass at St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary years ago. Also there used to be one of Archbishop Lefebvre offering Mass at Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet. I wouldn't be surprised you could find one at:

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Posted: Oct 31 2009, 05:17 PM


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I recall seeing this video. I haven't seen the DVD. I know Eamonn Gaines features in the old video smile.gif
Young Gaines, the Latin Mass Ireland secretary has come along way since.
http://irishpilgrim.blogspot.com/
They had happy news recently and whilst Eamonn thinks I'm "too pixish" or "extreme", I do fondly remember him introducing me to Philosophy in 1999.
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Carmel Books stocks several excellent DVD's of Holy Mass, Vespers and Benediction, Mrs. P.

You could phone them on 01392 824255 to see what they currently have in stock and find out prices &c.

If you explain that you are looking for a Mass DVD so that you can follow it in your missal at home and unite yourself spiritually to the Holy Sacrifice, they will advise you which one they consider best for the purpose.
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Thank you, Pilgrimage of Grace smile.gif


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Posted: Oct 31 2009, 11:01 PM


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Mrs.Pogle,
This was posted elsewhere but important in regard your question.
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ELEISON  COMMENTS  CXXI  (Oct. 31, 2009) :  VALID  BISHOPS ?
Remarkable confirmation of the Society of St. Pius X's balanced position on the validity of the Newchurch sacraments appeared last week in the bulletin of a fighting Gaul, "Courrier de Tychique". From a "reliable source" it appears there that Freemasonry, ancient enemy of the Church, planned for the Conciliar Revolution to invalidate the Catholic sacraments, not by alteration of their Form, rendering them automatically invalid, but rather by an ambiguity of their Rite as a whole, undermining in the long run the Minister's necessary sacramental Intention.

The "reliable source" is a Frenchman who heard directly from a venerable old priest some of what Cardinal Lienart on his deathbed confessed to the priest. No doubt fearing Hell, the  Cardinal begged the priest to reveal it to the world, and thus released him from the Confessional seal. The priest was thenceforth discreet in public, but in private he was more forthcoming as to what the Cardinal revealed to him of Freemasonry's three-point plan for the destruction of the Church. Whether or not he entered Freemasonry at the precocious age of 17, the Cardinal rendered it supreme service when only two days after the opening of Vatican II he wrenched the Council off course by demanding irregularly that the carefully prepared Traditional documents be rejected altogether.

According to the Cardinal, Freemasonry's first objective at the Council was to break the Mass by so altering the rite as to undermine in the long run the celebrant's Intention: "to do what the Church does". Gradually the Rite was to induce priests and laity alike to take the Mass rather for a "memorial" or "sacred meal" than for a propitiatory sacrifice. The second objective was to break the Apostolic Succession by a new Rite of Consecration that would eventually undermine the bishops' power of Orders, both by a new Form not automatically invalidating but ambiguous enough to sow doubt, and above all by a new Rite which as a whole would eventually dissolve the consecrating bishop's sacramental Intention. This would have the advantage of breaking the Apostolic Succession so gently that nobody would even notice. Is this not exactly what many believing Catholics are now afraid of ?

Howsoever it may be with the "reliable source", in any case today's Newchurch Rites of Mass and Episcopal Consecration correspond exactly to the Masonic plan as unveiled by the Cardinal. Ever since these new Rites were introduced in the late 1960's and early 1970's, many serious Catholics have refused to believe that they could be used validly. Alas, they are not automatically invalid (how much simpler if they were !).  They are worse!  Their sacramental Form is Catholic enough to persuade many a celebrant that they can be validly used, but they are designed as a whole to be so ambiguous and so suggestive of a non-Catholic interpretation as to invalidate the sacrament over time by corrupting the Intention of any celebrant either too "obedient" or insufficiently watching and praying.

Rites thus valid enough to get themselves accepted by nearly all Catholics in the short term, but ambiguous enough to invalidate the sacraments in the long term, constitute a trap satanically subtle. To avoid it, Catholics must on the one hand shun all contact with these Rites, but on the other hand they must not discredit their sound Catholic instincts by exaggerated theological accusations which depart from sound Catholic doctrine. It is not always an easy balance to keep.                                 

Kyrie eleison.

                       
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Posted: Nov 1 2009, 01:59 AM


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62 reasons why no Catholic can in good conscience attend the New Mass.

http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec020.html

You can listen to many good, traditional sermons here:
http://www.audiosancto.org/
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thankyou.gif DeMaistre, that is very enlightening!
It's hard though sad.gif I did go to Mass this morning (N.O) because I have never missed a day of obligation in the 3 years I have been a Catholic except through illness or not being in the vicinity of a Catholic Church (ie whilst on holiday). I offered the Mass up in reparation for the insults shown to Christ by a lack of reverence and prayerfulness. I also resigned from being an EMHC and felt a great weight fall from my shoulders.



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QUOTE (MrsPogle @ Nov 1 2009, 01:13 PM)
thankyou.gif DeMaistre, that is very enlightening!
It's hard though sad.gif I did go to Mass this morning (N.O) because I have never missed a day of obligation in the 3 years I have been a Catholic except through illness or not being in the vicinity of a Catholic Church (ie whilst on holiday). I offered the Mass up in reparation for the insults shown to Christ by a lack of reverence and prayerfulness. I also resigned from being an EMHC and felt a great weight fall from my shoulders.

I have to go to the Novus Ordo whenever my parents make me, but other than that, I tend to stay far away from liberal Catholic churches.

Well, if anyone in the future confronts you about being to proud to be an EMHC than you can reply that it is not pride but humility that prompted you to quit, since only the priest's consecrated hands can touch the Sacred Host (laypersons are not even supposed to touch the sacred vessels).
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