Whither Goest Thou, Angelus Press?

True. Pilgrim posted these maps, found on The Hermeneutic of Continuity blog, here, a couple of years back.

Don't be silly, Berengaria! Of course he can't...

Ignis Ardens, what have they done to you!

This thread started out as a sensible, intellectual discussion of an interesting topic. With every new page it plumbs new depths...!

Ignis Ardens, what have they done to you!

This thread started out as a sensible, intellectual discussion of an interesting topic. With every new page it plumbs new depths...!

Oh yes, thanks for reminding me, Gregorio...

Would any of the menfolk who haven't already done so, like to vote in this poll, and share your stories on the subject?!

Don't be silly, Berengaria! Of course he can't...

I know. I just wanted to corner him on that, and it seemed to work, as he said:

Looking for clear specific teachings is asking to prove a negative in most instances, because we are dealing with ethics in theory and practice here, which is the role of casuistry. Circumstances in individual cases vary widely, so we need to judge them on a case by case basis.

That whole post of mine was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because we had already gone over the doctrine, early in the thread, at least about tyrannicide, which he's been ignoring throughout the thread. Although you're right - I don't know why any of us bother; as you said somewhere once I think, bad for the blood pressure or something....

This post has been edited by Berengaria on Nov 14 2009, 08:43 PM

I dunno.

Ignoring all the abuse and name-calling in this thread, I think that both sides have made good cases.

But then I'm a who knows nothing about history. But, disagree violently, as they do, to me, it seems that Pilgrim, QVP, et al, and PeterII are all intelligent and know a lot!

That is what happens when trolls are allowed on a forum or people feed them by responding, rather than ignoring them.

But it is very difficult not to respond in order to correct the nonsense of a troll. And that is just what the troll wants.

When the educational value of a thread is hidden amongst a plethora of irrelevant and unedifying mush, due to a troll being allowed to run amok, the thread becomes pretty worthless.

Reasoned arguments, for or against, backed up by facts and, particularly, Catholic doctrine, theology or philosophy are always welcome. Everyone learns something.

Constant lack of reasoned argument, lack of sourced and referenced facts when appropriate, the presentation of deceit and lies, and a distinct policy of ad hominem attacks and calumnies, are not acceptable and must end in a ban (after due warning) if Ignis wants to be taken seriously as a worthwhile educational Catholic discussion forum.

I don't think PII is a troll. He's provocative, definitely.

And, even if he is wrong, he gets his information from somewhere and presumably believes it, so I don't think he is being deceitful either.

If I wanted Ignis to be taken seriously as a worthwhile educational Catholic discussion forum, I'd have banned myself long ago!

Don't be silly, Berengaria! Of course he can't...

I know. I just wanted to corner him on that, and it seemed to work, as he said:

Looking for clear specific teachings is asking to prove a negative in most instances, because we are dealing with ethics in theory and practice here, which is the role of casuistry. Circumstances in individual cases vary widely, so we need to judge them on a case by case basis.

That whole post of mine was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because we had already gone over the doctrine, early in the thread, at least about tyrannicide, which he's been ignoring throughout the thread. Although you're right - I don't know why any of us bother; as you said somewhere once I think, bad for the blood pressure or something....

And where are the official condemnations of Von Stauffenberg? Your little game can be played both ways. Instead there are numerous Catholic publications praising him and evidence of complicity from German Bishops with the German Resistance during his time. You appear to be completely ignorant of casuistry and its role in moral theology.

If I wanted Ignis to be taken seriously as a worthwhile educational Catholic discussion forum, I'd have banned myself long ago!

Way to go Clare

I certainly would have been banned long ago if that was the case. There are sufficient armchair popes possessing infallible knowledge of all things--oops all things Catholic--oops all things traditional alive and spouting on “the other” blog. Let them blog there!

Yes, What he said.

The secret today is not to have a firm view about anything but to develop the art of juggling different views at once. In that way, you succeed in politics, business and society by acquiring the biggest audience. Better still is not to have a view about anything, free oneself of complicated thinking and pose as a professional in any sphere. Image and style is everything; even on the altar!

If I wanted Ignis to be taken seriously as a worthwhile educational Catholic discussion forum, I'd have banned myself long ago!

Way to go Clare

I certainly would have been banned long ago if that was the case. There are sufficient armchair popes possessing infallible knowledge of all things--oops all things Catholic--oops all things traditional alive and spouting on “the other” blog. Let them blog there!

Read the source of your quoted quote and you'll see that, whilst I agree, that's hardly the point.

To wit:

Differing opinions on the crisis in the Church is one thing...

... asking people whether they have a little square mustache(sic) is clearly another.
This isn't the level of conversation that will atract or retain or interest in any way whatever serious Catholics there are out there. P2 can go off and form his own little clowny circus forum.

6 million

Somehow these don't seem to go together considered from a Catholic moral point of view seeing that legitimate - law - is for the common good; not the perception of but the actual common good. I say this because I think that Hitler felt he was doing it for the common good.

For that matter haven't the recent popes also been making changes to Traditional beliefs and teaching for the common good? Hmmmmm...