I'm writing a little work comparing the offertory rite in Extraordinary form and the preparation of gifts i Ordinary form of the roman rite. Unfortunately I'm not very familiar with english-language liturgical publications. Could anybody help me, where I can find good description of the theological meaning of words and gestures in offertory and preparation of gifts.
I'll be very grateful for any help.

Lex Orandi Lex Credendi by John Wetherell might be relevant.

I wonder if Carmel Books stocks it...? :mega:

:D You called again, dear? :notlisten:

This may be just what emek is looking for: a short magazine-style collection of Angelus articles that contains a comparative-table of the Offertory Prayers and the words contained in the New Rite.

To quote from the cover-page of The Theology and Spirituality of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass

"What follows is a study comparing the theology and spirituality of the Latin Mass of 1962 with the Novus Ordo Mass which succeeded it. They are not two forms of the same Rite".



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Lex Orandi Lex Credendi




The Mass of All Time




The Problem of the Liturgical Reform




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I don't want to "crowd into" Carmel Books' territory, but I highly recommend Fr. Anthony Cekada's book: "The Work of Human Hands: A theological critique of the Mass of Paul VI".
He does explain quite thoroughly (quoting the very men who wrought the changes)_ that the new "offertory" has a heretical significance, by its denial of the "propitiatory" end of the Mass, and its replacement by a happy meal get-together signification.

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Work of Human Hands




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Can you expound on this please. What is denied in the Novus Ordo? I don't doubt you, I'm just curious as to Fr. Cekada's explanation.

Edit:_________________________________________________________
I just discovered that Fr. Cekada has a YouTube page
http://www.youtube.com/user/WorkofHumanHands

I watched 3 of the videos and I have to say, his reference to "assembly"...that's tricky. Because in the Eastern Church they cannot have Liturgy unless one other person i.e. assembly, is present. The Eastern priest cannot have a "prviate mass." There is no such thing. There must be people (even only one person) present in order for an Eastern priest to say Mass/liturgy.
So...
I have not read Fr. Cekada's book therefore I do not know where his sources come from or if he even includes this factor (that of the Eastern understanding of the Mass/liturgy). I only introduce this in order to give a fuller picture. Because as we all know the Western Rite is not the ONLY rite and/or not the ONLY theological understanding of the Mass/Liturgy; however, with some (not all) Traditional Catholics they often times forget that the Church is very big and She has many theologies, but only one Faith.

ACS,
Fr. C, quotes from the authors of the innovations themselves, including the members of the commission who designed the N.O. The purpose of their changes was indeed (by their own admission) to deny the "propitiatory" end of the sacrifice.
I don't have the book available right now, to direct you to the relevant pages.
Also, in reference to the Eastern rights; the changes wrought in the N.O. Were not towards the Byzantine type liturgies (although "going back to the primitive rites" was often cited an excuse for the changes); the direction was unfortunately towards the protestant especially Lutheran and Anglican liturgies.
Also, Fr. Cekada's book has received (over-all) favorable reviews from twp recognized N.O. Liturgical experts; and while the book is complete, the research done by Fr. Cekada is only scratching the surface of the problems with the new rite.

I have heard that Fr. C's book is good and I have no doubt that he is very capable on the subject matter. Full disclosure, I'm not a fan of Fr. C's rhetoric. He seems to still be very bitter in regards to the SSPX and has said some pretty nasty things abou them and Archbishop LeFebvre.

But to the point....If the purpose of changing the Mass was to conform more fully to the Anglicans and Lutherans it worked in regards to the Episcopalians here in America because they ended up chaning their service to something pratically identical to the Novus Ordo. I asked a Episcopal priest about this and he said the Episcopal Church changed their service about 9 or 10 years after the Catholic Church did roughly 1979/1980. That's funny to me! Episcopalians (Anglicans) spent centuries denouncing and persecuting the Catholic Church and yet they still seem to "look to Rome." From my understanding, the traditional Anglican service was already very similar to the Tridentine Mass. So it is very odd that conformity was one of the motives behind the Novus Ordo.

It's true ACS. The Vatican II reforms really hit the Anglicans. I remember the Anglican clergy telling me how they shifted the altars forward and changed the Mass to face the people, and eventually began using the Novus Ordo if they were 'Traditional Anglicans'.
The Book of Common Prayer Mass was very similar to the Tridentine, I served it when I was an Anglican - it was almost identical. I wouldn't know what to do at a Novus Ordo Mass though.
There are still Anglicans that have pride in not having gone with the reforms, it helps solidify the mentality of being 'more Catholic than the Pope'. It's all very upsetting that the Catholic prelates have managed to make even heretical sects worse.

Thanks AT! Your statement about the Catholic prelates making the heretical sects worse is certainly true with the Episcopalians. Good grief! That church is practically dead because of all its liberalizing.

Thank you! Now I'll try to get John Wetherell and Anthony Cekada books.
I tried to find literature in my native language - Polish. To study offertory I have here a lot of major publications published before 1969. Unfortunately for the preparation of the gifts is worse. Polish liturgists at the moment are at the stage of glorifying the liturgical reform. So I can only find texts which says that preparation of the gifts brought back the intended meaning of the rite, according to ancient tradition, which later was lost, etc. In my work I would like to go deeper, to show the the advantages and disadvantages of reform and theological changes that have taken place through the reform. Therefore, I'm searching books in English.
I'll be very grateful for any further help

I second that one, Miss Books! I am presently reading it a second time.

Laboure! :swoon: You've escaped from General! :swoon:

Yes, Clare. I found out that Sunny-Gem is part of the IA Underground, so I am trying to find a safe haven.