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Title: Does anyone object to this PC tokenism?


Clare - January 21, 2012 11:05 PM (GMT)
I maintain that not everything that can be called PC is wrong!

Whether these companies are good or bad, or the fashions are horribly casual, are not the point. I'm specifically referring to the tokenism aspect.

In principle, is it wrong and dangerous and subversive to place someone with Down's Syndrome alongside other people?

Is it politically correct? Yes.
Is it subversive and dangerous? No.

Now all we need is for people to stop killing them before they're born.

(I expect there'll be objections to the presence of little coloured children though! That is dangerous! We can't have people treating them normally!)

LifeSiteNews

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Target, Nordstrom praised for using child model with Down syndrome

by Peter Baklinski
Tue Jan 17, 2012 14:10 EST


January 17, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – If you were thumbing through Nordstrom’s 2011 Anniversary Catalog or browsing through Target’s early January ads, you may have noticed a little boy about 6 years old. He was sporting a stylish leather jacket and wearing dapper blue jeans, or wearing a bright orange shirt with black striped sleeves.

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But even if you did notice him, you might be surprised to discover that the boy happens to have been born with Down syndrome. His name is Ryan.

The fact that Ryan was placed side-by-side with other children who don’t have Down syndrome has been hailed by pro-life and disability rights advocates as a great example of how people with a disability should be treated.

Rick Smith, creator and administrator of a website and blog that offers a daily glimpse into the life of his family as he and his wife raise their 2 year-old son Noah, who has Down syndrome, says that he is “glad” that mainstream companies are finally starting to cast an eye on children with Down syndrome as models in their regular ads.

Smith says that such ads give the message that people born with Down syndrome “deserve to be treated the same as every other person on this planet.”

Currently, most children with Down syndrome are not treated the same as every other person. In fact, when parents discover through prenatal testing that their child bears the genetic anomaly of having an extra 21st chromosome, 90% of them decide that their child does not deserve to see the light of day, and will get an abortion. This despite the fact that recent studies show that 99% of people with Down syndrome say they are happy, 96% like how they look, and 97% like who they are.

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Smith says that the time has come for the world to see people born with disabilities with a “fresh set of eyes.” It is time to “lay down all the inaccurate stereotypes from the past and move forward embracing the future with true and accurate ones,” he says.

Smith finds it humorous when people tell him that they will pray for Noah’s healing. “Down syndrome,” he says, is Noah’s “entire genetic code … If you were to ‘take away’ Down syndrome [from our son], you would take away our son. He would have a completely different genetic code, thus being a completely different person.”

“Please don’t pray for our son to be ‘healed’ of Down syndrome,” begs Smith jokingly, “we really like our son, and would prefer to keep him!”

Ryan’s mom Amanda agrees with Smith’s sentiment.

“Our children with Down Syndrome are amazing! So many have had huge health obstacles to overcome from the very beginning of their lives. We, their families, know how far they have come, and how much more is ahead of them. Every day is a journey, and a celebration,” she wrote on a blog.

Ryan’s mother is pleased that her son is called to model in ads for prestigious companies. “We are honored that Ryan is making the Down Syndrome community proud. He is a beautiful boy inside and out. He makes us better parents, and a better family.”

Smith has nothing but thanks for companies like Target that turn to children like Ryan for that extra special ingredient that makes their goods look good.

“As a father of a son born with a disability I want to sincerely thank you,” he wrote on his blog.

“I hope that more companies choose to follow the great example that you guys have set. By choosing to embrace the exciting future and limitless opportunities for people like my son [with Down syndrome], organizations like yours are leading the way in showing the world that our world isn’t forced to live in the past.”

Clare - January 21, 2012 11:28 PM (GMT)
Conversely, not everything that is politically incorrect is good and Catholic.

National Catholic Register

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Logan was 3 weeks old and the boys and I went to McDonald�s for lunch. While we were there, a young man with Down syndrome (who worked there) came in and started cleaning the tables. A father and son were eating lunch together a table over from ours. The son (he appeared to be a young teenager) said, �Oh look, Dad! A retard! They have a retard cleaning the tables.� The dad started laughing and said, �Well, that�s all they�re good for, cleaning my messes and mowing my yard.� It was quite awful. The man with DS totally heard them and just left the room.


Politically incorrect and utterly wrong.

My point is that, traditional Catholics shouldn't judge everything that is politically correct as liberal and unCatholic, and everthing that is politically incorrect as traditional and therefore acceptable for Catholics.

Things should be judged objectively, regardless of what current opinion says. That means sometimes we will agree and sometimes not. But to take a reactionary position of always disagreeing because it's what people today think, and people in the past didn't, is irrational.

That would mean that laughing at "retards" was acceptable for Catholics to do.

Land and Faith - January 22, 2012 01:18 AM (GMT)
It's another reason to just ignore the hypocrisies of the PC crowd, on the one hand they don't wan't to keep the disabled behind closed doors but on the other, they'd have them all killed in the womb.

I see a scarily low amount of down syndrome children in today's Britain compared to the amount I'd see as little as five or six years ago!

Maximilian - January 22, 2012 04:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Clare @ Jan 22 2012, 12:05 AM)
I maintain that not everything that can be called PC is wrong!

In principle, is it wrong and dangerous and subversive to place someone with Down's Syndrome alongside other people?

Is it politically correct? Yes.
Is it subversive and dangerous? No.

Yes, it is. Notice that every child in the ad is a token. And the Down's syndrome child replaces the white boy. This is very common practice these days. Represent every token group except white males.

This is part of the process of the deconstruction of society. They are taking it apart piece by piece right in front of your eyes. They are deliberately destroying the notion that there is any such thing as "normal." And you, Clare, cheer them on, not just in this instance, but in every instance.

Clare - January 22, 2012 09:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Land and Faith @ Jan 22 2012, 01:18 AM)
It's another reason to just ignore the hypocrisies of the PC crowd, on the one hand they don't wan't to keep the disabled behind closed doors but on the other, they'd have them all killed in the womb.

Quite.

Clare - January 22, 2012 09:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maximilian @ Jan 22 2012, 04:38 AM)
And the Down's syndrome child replaces the white boy. This is very common practice these days. Represent every token group except white males.

The Down's Syndrome boy is a white male, isn't he?

Anyhow, Our Lord did a bit of tokenism.

I can imagine reactionaries complaining:

"Typical subversive political correctness. Present the Samaritan heretic as the good guy!"

Oldavid - January 22, 2012 09:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Clare @ Jan 22 2012, 05:18 PM)
"Typical subversive political correctness. Present the Samaritan heretic as the good guy!"

:lol:
Yair.
Gotta watch those Samaritans... give'm an inch and they'll want to be classified human. :lol:

Clare - January 22, 2012 09:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maximilian @ Jan 22 2012, 04:38 AM)
QUOTE (Clare @ Jan 22 2012, 12:05 AM)

Is it politically correct? Yes.
Is it subversive and dangerous? No.

Yes, it is. Notice that every child in the ad is a token. And the Down's syndrome child replaces the white boy. This is very common practice these days. Represent every token group except white males.

It's beside the point.

My point is that PC tokenism is not always wrong.

You may argue that the absence of a white male (who doesn't have Down's Syndrome!) is subversive, but surely not that the presence of a person with DS is subversive, and that is the issue. That is what I asked was subversive. And I maintain that it isn't. But it is still PC.

If everyone in that advert was white, and there was a token disabled white person, it would not be subversive, would it?

If there were a photo of white couples, and one of those couples was a same-sex couple, that would be subversive.




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