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 Chimps Observed Making Spears., The planet of the Apes comes!
Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Mar 3 2007, 04:18 AM


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Chimps making spears

This is definately interesting. So it turns out that humans aren't the only tool-making creatures on Earth. It makes me wonder what kind of technology they might develop in the future.
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MinotaurWarrior
Posted: Mar 3 2007, 09:24 AM


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Well, we always knew that other primates used tools, but spears?!? Maybe this is the first sign of a new race of sentient primates smile.gif YAY smile.gif
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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Mar 3 2007, 09:36 AM


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QUOTE (MinotaurWarrior @ Mar 3 2007, 05:24 PM)
Well, we always knew that other primates used tools, but spears?!? Maybe this is the first sign of a new race of sentient primates smile.gif YAY smile.gif

Yeah, plenty of animals use tools (eg, other chimps using sticks to dig insects out of fallen logs, otters using rocks to bash open shells), but this is the first example of another animal actually making tools. If the chimps prove intelligent enough, then with human help their technological development could be accelerated massively, shortening what would take dozens of generations naturally to just a few.
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MinotaurWarrior
Posted: Mar 3 2007, 10:04 AM


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QUOTE (Seb (sjvan0) @ Mar 3 2007, 09:36 AM)
QUOTE (MinotaurWarrior @ Mar 3 2007, 05:24 PM)
Well, we always knew that other primates used tools, but spears?!? Maybe this is the first sign of a new race of sentient primates smile.gif YAY smile.gif

Yeah, plenty of animals use tools (eg, other chimps using sticks to dig insects out of fallen logs, otters using rocks to bash open shells), but this is the first example of another animal actually making tools. If the chimps prove intelligent enough, then with human help their technological development could be accelerated massively, shortening what would take dozens of generations naturally to just a few.

Maybe. If we tried, for example, to give them a bow and arrow, or built them a hut, they'd probably just dissasemble them and sharpen the sticks.

However, if we can help them, we should. This is absolutely amazing, like 1092nd contact, but first time we realized that they were sentient. But, how far along evolution-wise are they? I mean, pre-humans could make tools, but most of them would be considered retards when compared to a human. If we do help them, could we possibly be destroying any chance of them becoming similar to humans intellect-wise?
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Posted: Mar 3 2007, 12:34 PM


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QUOTE (MinotaurWarrior @ Mar 3 2007, 06:04 PM)
QUOTE (Seb (sjvan0) @ Mar 3 2007, 09:36 AM)
QUOTE (MinotaurWarrior @ Mar 3 2007, 05:24 PM)
Well, we always knew that other primates used tools, but spears?!? Maybe this is the first sign of a new race of sentient primates smile.gif YAY smile.gif

Yeah, plenty of animals use tools (eg, other chimps using sticks to dig insects out of fallen logs, otters using rocks to bash open shells), but this is the first example of another animal actually making tools. If the chimps prove intelligent enough, then with human help their technological development could be accelerated massively, shortening what would take dozens of generations naturally to just a few.

Maybe. If we tried, for example, to give them a bow and arrow, or built them a hut, they'd probably just dissasemble them and sharpen the sticks.

However, if we can help them, we should. This is absolutely amazing, like 1092nd contact, but first time we realized that they were sentient. But, how far along evolution-wise are they? I mean, pre-humans could make tools, but most of them would be considered retards when compared to a human. If we do help them, could we possibly be destroying any chance of them becoming similar to humans intellect-wise?

Well, obviously I don't mean building things for them, but rather try to indirectly teach them things, for example, the way that humans found out how to make fire probably went something like this:

Fire=hot
Rubbing things together makes them hot
Wood burns
Dry grass burns very, very quickly.
Rubbing two pieces of wood together for a while makes them hot enough to set fire to dry grass.
Once dry grass starts burning, it can set fire to more wood.

Now, this probably took us a LONG time to figure out. IF the chimps are smart enough, we might be able to help them figure it out a lot faster.
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Posted: Mar 3 2007, 02:16 PM


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Sapient is the correct word, I think. And that's incredible.


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MinotaurWarrior
Posted: Mar 4 2007, 08:02 PM


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QUOTE (Seb (sjvan0) @ Mar 3 2007, 12:34 PM)
QUOTE (MinotaurWarrior @ Mar 3 2007, 06:04 PM)
QUOTE (Seb (sjvan0) @ Mar 3 2007, 09:36 AM)
QUOTE (MinotaurWarrior @ Mar 3 2007, 05:24 PM)
Well, we always knew that other primates used tools, but spears?!? Maybe this is the first sign of a new race of sentient primates smile.gif YAY smile.gif

Yeah, plenty of animals use tools (eg, other chimps using sticks to dig insects out of fallen logs, otters using rocks to bash open shells), but this is the first example of another animal actually making tools. If the chimps prove intelligent enough, then with human help their technological development could be accelerated massively, shortening what would take dozens of generations naturally to just a few.

Maybe. If we tried, for example, to give them a bow and arrow, or built them a hut, they'd probably just dissasemble them and sharpen the sticks.

However, if we can help them, we should. This is absolutely amazing, like 1092nd contact, but first time we realized that they were sentient. But, how far along evolution-wise are they? I mean, pre-humans could make tools, but most of them would be considered retards when compared to a human. If we do help them, could we possibly be destroying any chance of them becoming similar to humans intellect-wise?

Well, obviously I don't mean building things for them, but rather try to indirectly teach them things, for example, the way that humans found out how to make fire probably went something like this:

Fire=hot
Rubbing things together makes them hot
Wood burns
Dry grass burns very, very quickly.
Rubbing two pieces of wood together for a while makes them hot enough to set fire to dry grass.
Once dry grass starts burning, it can set fire to more wood.

Now, this probably took us a LONG time to figure out. IF the chimps are smart enough, we might be able to help them figure it out a lot faster.

Ah, I see what you mean, but I'm still wondering if helping them would be the right thing to do at this point, because it very well might ruin any chances of them becoming as (or more) intellegent as us.
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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Mar 5 2007, 02:46 AM


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QUOTE (MinotaurWarrior @ Mar 5 2007, 04:02 AM)
Ah, I see what you mean, but I'm still wondering if helping them would be the right thing to do at this point, because it very well might ruin any chances of them becoming as (or more) intellegent as us.

That's why we would only help them indirectly, probably by providing the resources needed. If they aren't smart enough to make leaps of logic, then the resources will probably be useless to them. The big step towards making fire was probably the realisation of a connection between fire and rubbing things together: both things produce heat. If the chimps can't make those kinds of connections, then us helping them would indeed probably do more harm than good.
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