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 Genesis General Discussion, Thoughts and ideas for the Cryst/Xivai.
Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 14 2006, 11:01 PM


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I think that the brown robot in the very middle of the robot picture would be a better one, provided the spear point thing were replaced with a drill head.
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Gamgee
Posted: Nov 15 2006, 06:15 AM


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Oathin search pf deflier in warhammer 40k. Preferably on gamesworkshop. I pictured Xiva troop suits to look like that. They can definatly hold there own but unless they can get back there ultimitly doomed.

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http://uk.games-workshop.com/chaosspacemar...aos-defiler.jpg


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 15 2006, 04:52 PM


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No, the Xivai will absolutely phail in land technology. Think of it - it'll be tough enough to build it, let alone test it properly. A good Xivai land machine will be near impossible to make, and will truly require an innovative mind and approach to making it.

The way I see it, the Xivai will have one or two tried-and-true machines that will help them flood the land so they can bring in the big guns, but will not assault from water, because that is doom-phail. They will only assault IN water.


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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 15 2006, 06:00 PM


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By the way, I thought of another possible land unit for the Xivai: A large, heavy, tracked vehicle with large spade-like protrusions on the tracks. It uses these to tear up the ground, and then drops explosives in the trenches it leaves behind. These explosives make the trenches even larger. Then when the Xivai fire the rain-cannon, they fill up, becoming rivers that act as access points for Xivai to launch shorter-range weaponry from.
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Gamgee
Posted: Nov 15 2006, 06:59 PM


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We need some sort of suite for our men.... or xiva... not just vehichals thats extremely hindering.

Think about it would it be easier to capture or kill a group of soldiers that are hiding out of reach in a cave with a big ass tank or would it be easier to go in with small armored suites to clear them out.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 15 2006, 08:56 PM


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Seb, that's a brilliant idea.

Gamgee, you're right, but think about the impractibility of such a suit being developed by the Xivai, a deep-sea dwelling people. That'd be like us humans developing a suit for walking in the deep-sea, which we haven't done yet. We have made a suit for walking underwater, like the one in Bioshock, but not one for such extremes like that.

And even if the Xivai did, that technology would be immeasurably inferior to the technology of their enemies on land. Suits go boom boom if attacked.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 19 2006, 07:51 PM


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Come on peeps, come up with your own ideas too. You want Genesis alive, yet do nothing to help it? That doesn't make me want to update.


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Posted: Nov 19 2006, 09:02 PM


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humans arnt Xiva they are a completely different mind set litteraly. If you think about it evolution wise our brains are very different.

I was thinking along the lines of the suit being an extension of our carapace so that it is not to big and clunky but enough to get around in.

We may specialize in water but long term seige warfare will take along time and to make small advances on land into big lakes and such would be extremely helpfull. It would keep the land forces distracted. Not to mention going above the water in some form will be needed to develop some essential technologies for space flight. Theres everything to gain and not much to lose from making these suits. OH and of course its not a standard issue battle suit.

The other races of the land will most likely invent ways to come down to us but I admit them coming down in armoed suites would be suicidal. Its always harder going down than it is to go up.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 19 2006, 10:11 PM


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I agree with Gamgee. It'd be cool if the suit looked like one of those first deep-sea diving suits, but with four legs or something wacky like that.


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Posted: Nov 20 2006, 04:20 AM


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http://www.fisicx.com/riven/images/riven046.jpg <--this, while not nessecarily Crystalli or Xivai, looks pretty cool

http://www.fisicx.com/riven/images/riven047.jpg <--the inside

You may recognize this as the rebel base in the game 'Riven'


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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 20 2006, 06:26 AM


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Okay, picture this: a small-ish platform consisting of a Ysugtha chassis, several hydraulic legs protruding from said chassis, along with some tubes made from the same Ysugtha as the chassis, leading up to an obsidian (or Ysugtha, or hardened mucus, etc) faceplate through which to breath. The Xivai would sit atop the Ysugtha chassis, which would be a specially grown variety of Ysugtha which would have a large, hollow area in which to store water, and several tubal sections extending up to the faceplate. The Xivai would move the Ysugtha by transmitting shocks to certain nerves, which would activate the hydraulics in the legs.


The use of Ysughta flesh provides a chassis that is tough enough to withstand attacks, yet flexible enough to maneuver over difficult terrain. It would also be self-repairing. To get an idea of how it would look, imagine a convertable car, only replace the wheels with six legs and the car's body with flesh. However, the Ysugtha chassis also means that the vehicle would only be useful on land for a few days, and it would be rather difficult to get it there through the water at any great speed. I guess it would probably be best used as an invasion vehicle brought over on a carrier.

Also, am I the only one that sees augmented Ysugtha as being the primary shock-troop vehicles on ground? Imagine an AT-AT from Star Wars stomping towards you. Now replace the main body with a mass of purple flesh and muscle, gaping, tooth-filled maws, and tentacles as thick as tree trunks, and you have one of the most terrifying vehicles ever created. It'd stamp its way onto the battlefield, crushing everything under foot and leaving a desolate landscape in its wake. Enemy soldiers would flee from the earth-shaking footfalls, which would be felt from over a kilometre away, and heard even from further. The ultimate moral crusher.
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Posted: Nov 20 2006, 02:01 PM


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Since we will not be developing land based homes for obvious reasons another useful tactic which relates to the flood cannons above. Load up an extremely potent acid and launch it over a base or city to invlict considerable damage.

I actually think Yasgutha will be shock troops due to there bigger size ad need of water. Any vehichal that has a mix of biology in it would be a more straighht up attack vehichal. Where as the mechs would be for quick hit and strike and for more longer bases missions.

With a fusion of bio tech and normal tech we can make a wide range of vehichals. The exreme technological ones like the mech suits and then ones that are almost all yasgutha. Or balance of both, it allows for great flexibility for us :nod:


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Yup definitely. And of course there is always the possibility of us finding a new symbiote.


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Posted: Nov 20 2006, 04:16 PM


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...purple?


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Posted: Nov 20 2006, 08:47 PM


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Wait what? If that was spam Im disapointed. Mauinly because you wanted us to discuss genesis now we are. Its great then you came in and say purple. I know its your forum but its not encouraging.

If it was a genuion question Im also mystified as to what you mean.


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Posted: Nov 20 2006, 09:20 PM


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QUOTE (OathinBlood @ Nov 21 2006, 10:16 AM)
...purple?

I was under the impression that the Ysugtha were dark purplish-brown.
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Seb (sjvan0)
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QUOTE (Gamgee @ Nov 21 2006, 08:01 AM)
I actually think Yasgutha will be shock troops due to there bigger size ad need of water. Any vehichal that has a mix of biology in it would be a more straighht up attack vehichal. Where as the mechs would be for quick hit and strike and for more longer bases missions.

That's pretty much what I meant. Due to their dependance on water, the Ysugtha vehicles could only be used for a few days at most. Xivai tactics will revolve around causing the maximum amount of fear, and Ysugtha vehicles will provide that in spades. They might not actually be the best in regards of physical damage, but their main purpose will be to crush the morale of the enemy troops in order to make them easier to kill.

Also, I think the Crystalli's modern-day infantry weapons will consist of mainly rapid-firing, air-powered flechette guns that fire needle-sharp crystal shards (if you've played C&C: Renegade, the tiberium flechette gun is pretty much what I'm talking about), knives and swords made from the tougher crystal, and a whip made of highly-strung, extremely tightly-bound vines.

Another possible weapon for the Xivai to use in their rain-cannons is traces of bacteria that thrive in low temperatures, but are also dangerous to the target species. They could spread disease in the rainfall.
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Posted: Nov 21 2006, 01:05 PM


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I think the Xivas control of electricity will lead to some interesting weapons developments. Also tactics for interogastion would be good since we can semi read minds.

For a long battle Xivai will rely on mech suites and vehichals that arnt biological because in a long fight there wont be time to go back for water time and time again. There suites would enable pronlonged assaults while the Yasguths stuff would be brought in to induce fear.


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Mechs are teh lamb. There is a way to do everything biologically, though some pure tech implants and bits would add greatly to the coolness and fear factor of the Xivai, mech suits would be very lamb.
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Posted: Nov 21 2006, 04:46 PM


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QUOTE (Seb (sjvan0) @ Nov 21 2006, 05:20 AM)
QUOTE (OathinBlood @ Nov 21 2006, 10:16 AM)
...purple?

I was under the impression that the Ysugtha were dark purplish-brown.

You know when you have a funny feeling in your nose, and you pick it, and can feel a huge booger, but are frustrated that it's just beyond your reach? And hours later, you manage to pick it out?

That's the colour of the Ysugtha.

Maybe I went too in-depth...


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