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 Genesis General Discussion, Thoughts and ideas for the Cryst/Xivai.
OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 11 2006, 11:37 PM


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I've been thinking, and I want to change the general image of the Carcharas. Previously they were bad-ass starfish, who happen to have claws and mouths and be parasitic. Now I want them to more closely resemble Earth's pycnogonids, also known as sea spiders. I've recently been looking at some deep sea photography, and some of these guys are really spindly and creepy looking, and I think would make more logical sense as well as look way cooler on a Xiva. Check this out -
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Now imagine that, but black, slightly bigger, and Carcharas-it up a notch. Thicken the legs a little, but not too much, add some claws and a hell of a mouth at the bottom - I think that would look so much cooler than the current starfish-like Carcharas.


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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 11 2006, 11:41 PM


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*Looks at weird spider-like creature*
*Adds carcharas features in imagination*

AHHHHHH!
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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 11 2006, 11:45 PM


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Hooray, it is scary!

Also, I want clearance on the Xivai's approach to technology in the future. Do they reject technology and want only biotechnology, like Star Wars' Yuuzhan Vong, or will they combine both, like....the....uhhh....Borg? (Sorry, I'm not a Star Trek fan.)


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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 11 2006, 11:49 PM


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I'd say combine both. The Xivai are all about being the best killers they can be, and if tools and other non-biotech things help them to kill, then they'll most likely use it.
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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 11 2006, 11:51 PM


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Makes sense. So, Seb, are you going to pick up the Tanaxai, or are you going to let sleeping dogs lie?


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 12:27 AM


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I have a picture of warfare for the Xivai, when they reach a period of time that we, right now, would consider 'modern', - or maybe a bit past modern. Or alot past modern, but not any major off-planet stuff yet.
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The Xivai will invent COLOSSAL guns that stem up from the deep sea-floor to the surface, guns that look somewhat like two-barreled anti-aircraft guns. There will be about five over the whole planet, but they are so vast and integral to the Xivai, that they will probably be the most heavily defended strongholds of the Xivai, perhaps being at the center of major Xivai 'cities'. These guns will run off steam and thermal energy from an unthinkable amount of hot-water vents on the sea floor, and their purpose - heh, here comes the good part - their purpose will be, simply, to create rain. They'll fire huge shells of Silver Iodide into the atmosphere, and that will cause huge amounts of rain to fall on the area which they have specified.

Rivers will overflow, the sea level will ride, and dams will break. This, combined with special Xivai terraforming technology that will cause tsunamis and earthquakes, will wreak havoc among the land that the Xivai have targeted. As the water level rises, the Xivai will swim in, and destroy anything that is submerged. To keep from being seen, they will breed special breeds of a rapid-breeding black deep-sea jellyfish, and release them into key areas that they have 'seeded'. (Seeding an area refers to submerging it, if it wasn't previously underwater.) The jellyfish will spread rapidly, and soon, the water will appear black. The Xivai will use these as cover, and send infantry to eliminate any threat.

Also, by this time, the Xivai will have developed powerful water filtration/purification systems, which will render harmless any poison released into the water. It does not matter whether the jellyfish die or not, since their bodies are only used for cover, living or not.

These warfare tactics will force the Xivai's enemies to migrate to the highest areas of the land, which will be very impractical and difficult. The alternative is migrating to large ships, but it is a risky idea, since being in a ship is being amidst the Xivai's best terrain. Most boats will be destroyed from the bottom, or harassed until they are forced to go back to land.
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So, what do you think?


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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 01:08 AM


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I do believe that that idea is made of win and awsome. Would like to see more use of symbiotes, though (although I guess it would be implied that most of the symbiotes were helping the Xivai under the water).
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Posted: Nov 12 2006, 01:11 AM


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Coolios. Now answer the post above that post.


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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 01:25 AM


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Not quite sure, to tell you the truth. I'll try writing some stuff and seeing how it feels.
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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 05:15 PM


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Come on, guys. You say you want Genesis alive, yet you won't discuss it?


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Gamgee
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 05:34 PM


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I dont think things would just change like that... while I do like the way they look (new one) I dont like how they magically changed. It doesnt fit with the game you know?


Oh and for there warfare tactics those would work until we can actually harness a way to go above ground. Since it is easier to go up rather than down. Not to mention we already have a minor poison filtering ability.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 06:00 PM


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It's not like there's anyone watching over canon strictly, and making sure it's accurate. Plus, this way, it's logically more correct, and it looks cooler. Just a little update of it's looks, like superheroes do.

Plus, I checked, and there were no evolutions that would only apply if it had a starfish body.


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Posted: Nov 12 2006, 06:57 PM


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...... rhine already drew them they looked starfish you said it was a star fish its been a "killer starfish" since we got it qwhy change to killer under watter spider? It doesnt sound unexpected.... more cliche than anything. Would you expect a fairly inocent starfish of being one of the most deadly parasites? NOOOPE! Would you expect an evil looking underwater spider YEP!!!!!!!

I like the old look better anyways. They both look cool but wjhen it comes down to it I prefer the starfish look.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 08:36 PM


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Rhine didn't draw it, and anyways, I've seen killer parasite starfish in a game anyways. Call of Cthulhu, mutha-sucka. On the island, in the prisons, they jump on you when you get close.

Spiders are cliched, but sea spiders are not. Sea spiders are very different from spiders. In fact, they're not even arachnids. Plus, as said, logical sense would make them sea spiders - if I knew about sea spiders at the time, they'd be that, instead of starfish.

I'm still on the sea-spider side of them for canon.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 11:22 PM


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With some adaptations, such as submerging it underwater, making it blacker, grimier, and far more organic, I think this would make a very menacing Xivai city. I like the look of the evenly spaced vent-things - water purification, perhaps? Or maybe a fountain system for phytoplankton, to feed the Ysugtha buildings?


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Seb (sjvan0)
Posted: Nov 12 2006, 11:48 PM


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Gamgee: The old starfish form of the Carcharas were more suited to the old style of Xivai (ie, before we got the exoskeleton). The new spindly/spikey/spider-like Carcharas are more suited to the current Xivai form.
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Posted: Nov 13 2006, 01:00 AM


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And we did vote for alot of 'Carcharas adapting to our newer form' things...anyways, what do you guys think of the city?


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Posted: Nov 14 2006, 01:41 PM


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Fine whatever.... city looks good.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 14 2006, 09:31 PM


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Okay tourists, please look at the third brown robot to the right, from the top. The one with the mining pick in his hand. I think that the Xivai, if they have any land robots, should have something like that, sent in teams for mining/destroying work on land - say....destroy a dam, or dig a hole, or something. Just something to help spread water around. If attacked, they'd probably be able to hold their own for a little while, but ultimately, be doomed in the end - their sole purpose is to undermine strategic points on land.


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OathinBlood
Posted: Nov 14 2006, 09:42 PM


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This just kind of inspired me to think about the Xivai's spacefaring technology. Not much to say on here, but I have some food for thought. Imagine Xivai fighters, blitzing through space firing here and there - then imagine one getting shot and blowing up - but no fire. Instead (completely soundless, because in space there is no sound), the hull kind of shatters apart from the inside out, and what's left is a large glittering sphere of water, floating aimlessly in space...since the Xivai will fill their cockpits with water, presumably. Awesome, or no?


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