Dialects And Words, new dictionary includes some romany word

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Are you in a puckaterry?


Many of the words only persist within rural farming communities

By Victoria King
BBC News

A major dictionary publisher is compiling a list of regional English words that have died out. But local dialects are not entirely extinct - as these words reveal.
Have you ever found yourself in a puckaterry or felt wambly after a drink or two?
If so, you're one of a dwindling breed - a user of an English regional dialect.
Where once your vocabulary would tie you definitively to a particular part of the country, the social upheavals of past few decades have stretched those verbal ties to breaking point.
Now dictionary maker Collins is launching a project - using that most modern form of communication Twitter - to try to identify whether there is any life left in a selection of weird and wonderful words.
What sort of words is it trying to find and how did they enter the language in the first place?
PUCKATERRY
In Norfolk, to be in a puckaterry is to be in a muddle or a panic. It is thought to come from the word "purgatory" - the religious place or condition of those neither in heaven nor in hell.
Consequently, as Keith Skipper, from Friends of Norfolk Dialect, explains, it was historically used by people who didn't know whether they were coming or going.

Yowm alis in the lezzer wen yow orta be in the lairne
Black Country for 'You're always in the wrong place'
"In Leicestershire, I believe, they have 'pucky wacky' that means the same thing," he says.
"It's difficult to pin down exactly when it originated, but it was certainly in a local dictionary from 1830. I still use it, my family uses it, I've heard several old boys out in the sticks using it. I think the real puckaterry resistance movement is in rural areas."
Broad Norfolk dialect has experienced something of a revival recently in defiance of the way people in the region are portrayed on film and television.
Many are put out, Mr Skipper says, because Norfolk folk tend to be given generic "rural" accents more akin to the South West than East Anglia.
Other Norfolk words include blar, meaning "to cry", and brawk, meaning "to burp".
BARI
The Northumberland dialect comes from Old English - and early form of the English language which dates back to at least the 5th Century - although further south in the county the Norse of the Viking invaders also has an influence.
In words like bari - meaning pretty - there are other influences too, as Kim Bibby-Wilson, of the Northumberland Language Society, explains.
"Bari is a Romany word, a gypsy word, and it's found right across the world," she says.
"It came into use in Northumbria towns like Morpeth, Hexham and Alnwick because that was where the jails were. Gypsy populations grew up around them and their words spread to the rest of the locals.
"You'll still hear some of the older generation using the phrase muckle bari, meaning very pretty.
"Bari actually originally comes from Urdu - it was picked up by gypsies when they spread east into Asia. Another one from Romany which is still in use in Northumberland is 'gadgie'. It's come to mean a miserable old caretaker-type of man, but to Gypsies it just means anyone who is not a Gypsy."
Other Northumberland words include shawm, meaning "to warm oneself" and hippetyclinch, meaning "to limp".
SQUADDY
Lincolnshire's dialect was preserved for longer than others because of its relative isolation.
Protected by the Fens to the south and River Humber to the north, it was sufficiently cut off to have developed several local lingos.

Looks like another dree day at Wimbledon...
Alan Mumby, of the Far Welter'd East Lincolnshire Dialect Society, says one of the words still used is squad - for mud - although it is pronounced to rhyme with bad, not mud.
"We have a cattle market and you'll hear farmers talking about squad, squaddy conditions," he says.
"Another one that we use in the name of our society is far welter'd. It comes from when a sheep with a full coat falls onto its back and can't get up again. You say it's far welter'd.
"It means stuck, trapped in a tricky situation or in a rut, something you can't get out of."
Dr David Britain, from the University of Essex who is working with Collins on the project, says many dialect words have faded as farming has declined.
"Far fewer people are employed in agriculture, even in rural areas," he says.
"And with counter-urbanisation, city people are moving to the countryside and they don't understand local dialect. They either learn it or it drops away - inevitably it's the latter."
Other Lincolnshire words include footpad, meaning "pavement", and roily, meaning "upset of stomach".
OMMUCK
Black Country dialect comes from Old English with some Germanic influence.
Brian Dakin, whose organisation Roosterspake performs songs and readings in the local tongue, says ommuck, meaning sandwich, is still in use.

Are these footballers in a squad or covered in it?
"We have always used it round our way. I think what's so interesting about these words is how isolated they can be to very specific localities.
"Someone somewhere else in the Black Country, not very far away, wouldn't know what an ommuck was.
"A dialect phrase I heard again and again as a kid was 'Yowm alis in the lezzer wen yow orta be in the lairne.'
"Lezzer is field and lairne is lane, so it means you're always in the field when you should be in the lane - in other words you're never where you ought to be!"
Other Black Country words include settul, meaning "home", and wassuck, meaning "fool".
PARZLE
Donald Bemrose, founder of the East Riding Dialect Society, says the traditional East Yorkshire tongue can be very beautiful.
"To parzle, for example, means to saunter or stroll in," he says.
"It's been in our vocab for centuries, but the best example, I think, is in a poem by Francis Austin Hyde. He was a school teacher in Pickering in the 1930s and 40s, and he wrote about a Yorkshire shepherd talking to his dog.
"'Thou has parzled tha way in again', he says, meaning the dog just strolled in looking for attention when he was having his tea. We're not totally sure where parzle comes from, but it's probably to do with paws or pads - the way the dog walks."
Other East Yorkshire words include galasses, meaning "braces" and agglesteans, meaning "hailstones".
DREE
Lancashire's dialect, strongly linked to the region's 19th Century cotton industry, was recorded for future generations in the works of the poet Edwin Waugh.
Brian Foster, from the Edwin Waugh Dialect Society, says he came across the word dree - originally from Old English - in the poet's most famous work, Come Whoam to Thi Childer An' Me.

Did this sheepdog parzle to victory at Crufts?
"He talks about the rain coming down 'very dree'. It means steadily, monotonously. It's like the Scottish 'dreich'," he says.
"I remember my grandmother using it and I might use it occasionally, but I don't think they've been said widely for quite a while."
Dr Britain says while words were undoubtedly disappearing, new dialect was being introduced.
"Immigration definitely plays a part, but also technology," he says. "What do you call you remote control? Zapper, flipper... that sort of dialect is socially rather than geographically defined."
Other Lancashire words include fratching, meaning "arguing" and wambly, meaning "unsteady".source BBC Magazine

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That makes good reading & its a bit like other stuff its related in a way but the language well id say blame they Normans for it after they invaded & forced the land to change not only the ways but allso the speech the highly educated europeans lording it high over the nameless peseants but thats how its allways gon on the thing is the language has allways had differances depending on the location n,s,e,w but the areas of invasion or close to large trading ports is wear much new talk n stuff came frome evan now theres a big differance between Geordies & Londoners or black country n west country thing is talk was like dance or songs n storeys it travelled & on the way it changes so folks frome one area arriving in another would leave there talk,dance & songs etc but same time pick up on that areas stuff equally then take some bits onboard as they moved on again surley this is a thing about romany in blighty its a combination of words thats come frome many places & has taken on fresh words just as its left words behind that become part on the commoners talk then theres slang & not forgetting backslang today its still going on but it could be evan faster because of texting chat & the interweb folks frome allover the planet typing away many revisiting the same sites so each one being an influence on each other like it was realtime verbal talk on some places the moderators has to constantly remind users not to use to much abreveation or texting chat because its nearly like a foreign language to some then its like how a words actually saide by reading a typed word it dont explaine how a person should say the word & the sociall background ,location or region will make some differance as to how a words spoke id think today things shift much faster so back then it was the incommers to a area that brought a window on the rest of the lands wherever folks lived so if any travellers or military or traders & drovers or the stalion men arrived they brought fresh language or pronounced it a new way they brought true news frome the places theyd come frome & often brought new types of dancing/music or songs take the word shanks pony its a term thats made up but in nearly every bit of the land most will know it thers ramsoms for garlick phizog for face or oak apples day is chikchak day or who heares muckle anymore or libbets,jipper,flummox , or like the term nave used for hub n cut n shut was like for re tyering well its not like being a mallyshag that still gets used in its way for whos who it aint just the words or how they sound but when used & not many books can tell that
most say bottle but some do say bokkle -_-

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:lol: OH DORDI DORDI!!!!!

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I feel like iv wandered into hogworts ,, havent a clue what thats all about hmv lol :D