The Holocaust

Holocaust institute

Gypsies & the Holocaust

Gypsy & Holocaust

Nazi Persicution

:rolleyes: it would be nice to see some actual web addresses for these links or to read extracts or peices on the subjects.cathayb :unsure:

:o ah now i see i need to click on the subject and then it will bring the article up in another window.thank you and well done.cathayb ;)

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Arab leaders and media outlets have long been addicted to comparing Israel to the Nazi regime, while at the same time demeaning the extent of the Holocaust. This obsession with defaming and antagonizing the Jewish people and state was on full display in recent months and reached a crescendo – or rather nadir – the day before Pope John Paul II visited the Temple Mount during his Holy Land pilgrimage. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Ekrima Sabri, just hours before hosting the Pope, gave a series of press interviews, first telling the AP: "The figure of 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust is exaggerated and is used by the Israelis to gain international support… It’s not my problem. Muslims didn’t do anything on this issue. It’s the doing of Hitler who hated the Jews," asserted the acid-tongued Mufti – a figure appointed by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. "Six million? It was a lot less," Sabri repeated for an Italian newspaper. "It’s not my fault if Hitler hated the Jews. Anyway, they hate them just about everywhere." The Mufti finished the day with Reuters, charging, "We denounce all massacres, but I don’t see why a certain massacre should be used for political gain and blackmail." However, as a matter of record, there was a well-documented, thriving relationship between the Arab/Muslim world and Nazi Germany, with perhaps the most significant figure linking Hitler to the Middle East being none other Sabri’s very own predecessor, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini

Wasn't this the basis for a theory by Joan Peters in 1984, and revamped for the millenium. I think anyone who was involved in the killing of humans in the Holocaust would play the figures down..

Well im not sure but I think the gist of the article was that many people were killed in the Holocaust not just Jews as we all know but they seem to get more press coverage I think because they are to get compensation where as they havent inluded the many Gypsies .Mentally Ill and handicapped and of course ordinary european folk that were killed which they say was higher than the jews? I dont know i just know it was wrong and pray God ot will never happen again but the way things are going what with one religion killing another person because of his faith and then one culter fighting another I guess thats why I dont agree with the Gypsy Gorga debate as I think it is another case of leading to seperation as if we keep saying im this or that then its going backwards and not forwards because in the end we all live on this planet and we need to be united especially in this day and age what with all the Terroists and extremists that threaten our Western culture and we are all part of it wether we are gorga or gypsy so i think folk should worry over that more? i know that some deny the Holocaust but i reember when i was small my dad had some old books and when i lookked at them i remember these awfull pictures of ples and piles of bodies all stacke don top of one another and other gruesome pictures and now i realise it was war books so yes i believe it ,but the older you get you realise that politics play a big part and still do to-day and they also have a bearing on whats happening to-day in the middle east .

that the holocaust happened is for sure.i think we have all seen the photos.it was jews and gypsies that were targetted thats also for sure.who would believe that only 60odd years ago some folk could do that to another folk?its scarey and could easily happen again. :( :( :( :( :(

this isnt the christian forum so i must be careful but it is all prophcied in the bible.at the end of the age in the battle of armegeddon 2/3 of the jews will be wiped out!i often worry when i am doing family history am i just putting records together that will help some corrupt goverment in the future route out the gypsies and kill them again? :( :(

I dont know how some dare dispute the holocaust happened. It beggars belief. I think to my self that it could never happen again, but then you look around the word and know its full of crazy people. Its not long since Saddam Hussien swung... Where is Bin Laden? Politics and religeon always overlap. I cant understand the concept of holy war. The neglect of the lead poisoned children by the UN.... sick stuff still goes on in this world.

Hello All,

I'm happy to say that I have friends from many races and cultures. As a Romnichal I have known the pain of racism and exclution and try to be tolerant of all breeds and creeds. Extremism in all forms is the cause of conflicts around the world. Moderate Muslims in my experience don't deny the Holocaust and have many things in common with Romany culture. After all we have so many ties with Pakistan. Extremist Muslims, who are not even considered as part of Islam by my Muslim friends, are blinded by anti Semitism. What they fail to recognise is that many Rom killed in the Holocaust were Muslim. A high percentage of Gypsies in places like Macedonia, were and are still of that faith. Therefore we have a situation where Asian/ Middle Eastern, extremists are denying the extermination of Muslim people of recent Asian/ Middle Eastern origin.

I don't tend to have too many heroes in life but I don't think that Simon Wiesanthal gets enough recognition from the Gypsy community. He refused to let our Holocaust be forgotten. Many Jews thought that to include the Gypsies in their quest for reparation would be to the detriment of their own cause. Wiesanthal fought against this. Frankly how many of us would have done this had the shoe been on the other foot.

A truly great man.

gosh i am ashamed to say i hadnt heard of him.does he have any books or a web site where we can read about what he did for us?i would be very interested.cathayb :blink: :blink:

I'm sure that he does. There have been so many books, documentarys etc. He was best known for being the nazi hunter who tracked Eichmann to South America and along with Mossad I believe, brought back to Israel for trial and execution.

There is also a Wiesanthal institute that continues the work.

All this imfo is very approximate, I'm a man of limited education and very often get things wrong.

I found this article this morning, and thought I would share it. Love grew in the Nazi camps and here's a personal story.


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/broward/co...ory/809861.html

The Holocaust - the systematic annihilation of six million Jews - is a history of enduring horror and sorrow. The charred skeletons, the diabolic experiments, the death camps, the mass graves, the smoke from the chimneys ... In 1933 nine million Jews lived in the 21 countries of Europe that would be occupied by Germany during the war. By 1945 two out of every three European Jews had been killed by the Nazis. 1.5 million children were murdered. This figure includes more than 1.2 million Jewish children, tens of thousands of Gypsy children and thousands of handicapped children.

Yet there were acts of courage and human decency during the Holocaust - stories to bear witness to goodness, love and compassion. This is the story of an incredible woman and her amazing gift to mankind. Irena Sendler. An unfamiliar name to most people, but this remarkable woman defied the Nazis and saved 2,500 Jewish children by smuggling them out of the Warsaw Ghetto. As a health worker, she sneaked the children out between 1942 and 1943 to safe hiding places and found non-Jewish families to adopt them.

For many years Irena Sendler - white-haired, gentle and courageous - was living a modest existence in her Warsaw apartment. This unsung heroine passed away on Monday May 12th, 2008.

Her achievement went largely unnoticed for many years. Then the story was uncovered by four young students at Uniontown High School, in Kansas, who were the winners of the 2000 Kansas state National History Day competition by writing a play Life in a Jar about the heroic actions of Irena Sendler. The girls - Elizabeth Cambers, Megan Stewart, Sabrina Coons and Janice Underwood - have since gained international recognition, along with their teacher, Norman Conard. The presentation, seen in many venues in the United States and popularized by National Public Radio, C-SPAN and CBS, has brought Irena Sendlers story to a wider public. The students continue their prize-winning dramatic presentation Life in a Jar.


Irena Sendler

Irena Sendler was born in 1910 in Otwock, a town some 15 miles southeast of Warsaw. She was greatly influenced by her father who was one of the first Polish Socialists. As a doctor his patients were mostly poor Jews. In 1939, Germany invaded Poland, and the brutality of the Nazis accelerated with murder, violence and terror. At the time, Irena was a Senior Administrator in the Warsaw Social Welfare Department, which operated the canteens in every district of the city. Previously, the canteens provided meals, financial aid, and other services for orphans, the elderly, the poor and the destitute. Now, through Irena, the canteens also provided clothing, medicine and money for the Jews. They were registered under fictitious Christian names, and to prevent inspections, the Jewish families were reported as being afflicted with such highly infectious diseases as typhus and tuberculosis.

But in 1942, the Nazis herded hundreds of thousands of Jews into a 16-block area that came to be known as the Warsaw Ghetto. The Ghetto was sealed and the Jewish families ended up behind its walls, only to await certain death. Irena Sendler was so appalled by the conditions that she joined Zegota, the Council for Aid to Jews, organized by the Polish underground resistance movement, as one of its first recruits and directed the efforts to rescue Jewish children.



The Warsaw Ghetto


To be able to enter the Ghetto legally, Irena managed to be issued a pass from Warsaws Epidemic Control Department and she visited the Ghetto daily, reestablished contacts and brought food, medicines and clothing. But 5,000 people were dying a month from starvation and disease in the Ghetto, and she decided to help the Jewish children to get out. For Irena Sendler, a young mother herself, persuading parents to part with their children was in itself a horrendous task. Finding families willing to shelter the children, and thereby willing to risk their life if the Nazis ever found out, was also not easy.

Irena Sendler, who wore a star armband as a sign of her solidarity to Jews, began smuggling children out in an ambulance. She recruited at least one person from each of the ten centers of the Social Welfare Department. With their help, she issued hundreds of false documents with forged signatures. Irena Sendler successfully smuggled almost 2,500 Jewish children to safety and gave them temporary new identities.

Some children were taken out in gunnysacks or body bags. Some were buried inside loads of goods. A mechanic took a baby out in his toolbox. Some kids were carried out in potato sacks, others were placed in coffins, some entered a church in the Ghetto which had two entrances. One entrance opened into the Ghetto, the other opened into the Aryan side of Warsaw. They entered the church as Jews and exited as Christians. "`Can you guarantee they will live?'" Irena later recalled the distraught parents asking. But she could only guarantee they would die if they stayed. "In my dreams," she said, "I still hear the cries when they left their parents."

Irena Sendler accomplished her incredible deeds with the active assistance of the church. "I sent most of the children to religious establishments," she recalled. "I knew I could count on the Sisters." Irena also had a remarkable record of cooperation when placing the youngsters: "No one ever refused to take a child from me," she said. The children were given false identities and placed in homes, orphanages and convents. Irena Sendler carefully noted, in coded form, the childrens original names and their new identities. She kept the only record of their true identities in jars buried beneath an apple tree in a neighbor's back yard, across the street from German barracks, hoping she could someday dig up the jars, locate the children and inform them of their past.

In all, the jars contained the names of 2,500 children ...



Nazi Genocide


But the Nazis became aware of Irena's activities, and on October 20, 1943 she was arrested, imprisoned and tortured by the Gestapo, who broke her feet and legs. She ended up in the Pawiak Prison, but no one could break her spirit. Though she was the only one who knew the names and addresses of the families sheltering the Jewish children, she withstood the torture, that crippled her for life, refusing to betray either her associates or any of the Jewish children in hiding. Sentenced to death, Irena was saved at the last minute when Zegota members bribed one of the Gestapo agents to halt the execution. She escaped from prison but for the rest of the war she was pursued by the Nazis.

After the war she dug up the jars and used the notes to track down the 2,500 children she placed with adoptive families and to reunite them with relatives scattered across Europe. But most lost their families during the Holocaust in Nazi death camps. The children had known her only by her code name Jolanta. But years later, after she was honored for her wartime work, her picture appeared in a newspaper. "A man, a painter, telephoned me," said Sendler, "`I remember your face,' he said. `It was you who took me out of the ghetto.' I had many calls like that!"


The Holocaust


Irena Sendler did not think of herself as a hero. She claimed no credit for her actions. "I could have done more," she said. "This regret will follow me to my death." She has been honored by international Jewish organizations - in 1965 she accorded the title of Righteous Among the Nations by the Yad Vashem organization in Jerusalem and in 1991 she was made an honorary citizen of Israel. Irena Sendler was awarded Poland's highest distinction, the Order of White Eagle, in Warsaw Monday Nov. 10, 2003, and she was announced as the 2003 winner of the Jan Karski award for Valor and Courage. She has officially been designated a national hero in Poland and schools are named in her honor. Annual Irena Sendler days are celebrated throughout Europe and the United States.

In 2007, she was nominated to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. At a special session in Poland's upper house of Parliament, President Lech Kaczynski announced the unanimous resolution to honor Irena Sendler for rescuing "the most defenseless victims of the Nazi ideology: the Jewish children." He referred to her as a "great heroine who can be justly named for the Nobel Peace Prize. She deserves great respect from our whole nation."

During the ceremony Elzbieta Ficowska, who was just six months old when she was saved by Irena Sendler, read out a letter on her behalf: “Every child saved with my help is the justification of my existence on this Earth, and not a title to glory,” Irena Sendler said in the letter, “Over a half-century has passed since the hell of the Holocaust, but its spectre still hangs over the world and doesn’t allow us to forget.”


Irena Sendler

This lovely, courageous woman was one of the most dedicated and active workers in aiding Jews during the Nazi occupation of Poland. Her courage enabled not only the survival of 2,500 Jewish children but also of the generations of their descendants.

The Nobel Prize recipient, Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, has dedicated his life to ensuring that none of us forget what happened to the Jews. He wrote:

"In those times there was darkness everywhere. In heaven and on earth, all the gates of compassion seemed to have been closed. The killer killed and the Jews died and the outside world adopted an attitude either of complicity or of indifference. Only a few had the courage to care ..."

- Louis Bülow source http://www.auschwitz.dk/Sendler.htm

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Irena Sendler
There recently was a death of a 98 year-old lady named Irena. During WWII, Irena, got permission to work in the WarsawGhetto, as a Plumbing/Sewer specialist. She had an ' ulterior motive ' ... She KNEW what the Nazi's plans were for the Jews, (being German.) Irena smuggled infants out in the bottom of the tool box she carried and she carried in the back of her truck a burlap sack, (for larger kids.) She also had a dog in the back that she trained to bark when the Nazi soldiers let her in and out of the ghetto. The soldiers of course wanted nothing to do with the dog and the barking covered the kids/infants noises. During her time of doing this, she managed to smuggle out and save 2500 kids/infants. She was caught, and the Nazi ' s broke both her legs, arms and beat her severely. Irena kept a record of the names of all the kids she smuggled out and kept them in a glass jar, buried under a tree in her back yard. After the war, she tried to locate any parents that may have survived it and reunited the family. Most of course had been gassed. Those kids she helped got placed into foster family homes or adopted.
Last year Irena was up for the Nobel Peace Prize ... She was not selected.
* Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.
LET'S SEND THIS ONE AROUND THE WORLD!!!!!!!!

Im sure i saw a film of her on tv it was 3 short storys of people who helped the Jews in the holocaust , cant remember what it was called though , the hiding place is another good film and book corrie ten boom, another amazing woman