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floria
Posted: Oct 20 2006, 06:35 PM


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Does anyone have any news on the Duke Law School journalism forum today? Were there any interesting discussions? If anyone reads or hears something on that topic, please pass it on. Thanks.


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white_fang
Posted: Oct 20 2006, 07:44 PM


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Here is a link to WRAL which is reportin on today's forum.

Journalists Discuss Media's Coverage of Duke lacrosse Rape Case
http://www.wral.com/news/10117508/detail.html


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white_fang
Posted: Oct 20 2006, 08:53 PM


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Here is more from Brodhead (outtakes from 60 minutes). He does not help himself at all. He seems to be stuck on a set of facts that he belives to be true, or in fact, he wishes to be true. He is clearly much more concened about the feelings of theDuke AA students and alumni than anything else. We see in this clip where his heart really is (not with the lax players).

Brodhead on the Duke Case
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ma...tml?id=2109800n


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wts
Posted: Oct 21 2006, 02:12 PM


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QUOTE (white_fang @ Oct 21 2006, 01:53 AM)
Here is more from Brodhead (outtakes from 60 minutes). He does not help himself at all. He seems to be stuck on a set of facts that he belives to be true, or in fact, he wishes to be true. He is clearly much more concened about the feelings of theDuke AA students and alumni than anything else. We see in this clip where his heart really is (not with the lax players).

Brodhead on the Duke Case
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ma...tml?id=2109800n

Could you expand on what you are saying?
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dukeparentx2
Posted: Oct 21 2006, 09:58 PM


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I thought the out-takes of Brodhead were very interesting. Everyone should watch them. But I didn't have the same reaction as White Fang. In fact, I thought he was very candid. His comments about the AA community at Duke were in response to a direct question from Ed Bradley--was he supposed to ignore that question? It was pretty clear that he believes there are serious issues with the DA's case, and he stated that the captains categorically denied the allegations. I also felt he gave a pretty good description of what was going on in the immediate wake of the initial accusations--while we tend to view his actions with our current perspective, that is not really fair. I know people want him to take a Donna Shalala stand, declare the players innocent and call for Nifong's ouster, but I just don't think that is a realistic expectation.
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Brodhead certainly hasn't done all that he could as president of Duke University in this particular situation. His silence and his mouse-like effulgences have been anemic and embarrassing. Moreover, the editorial printed in the Herald-Sun on October 17 illustrates everything anyone needs to know about the position of many "leaders" in Durham. Still....after all the non-evidence of a crime, Brodhead and others sit by and do not make a stand of support. And to no one's surprise the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People----a hideous ode to blatant modern-day racism----has placed its support behind Nifong. Durham, North Carolina is turning itself into the leper colony of the United States.
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QUOTE (dukeparentx2 @ Oct 22 2006, 02:58 AM)
I thought the out-takes of Brodhead were very interesting. Everyone should watch them. But I didn't have the same reaction as White Fang. In fact, I thought he was very candid. His comments about the AA community at Duke were in response to a direct question from Ed Bradley--was he supposed to ignore that question? It was pretty clear that he believes there are serious issues with the DA's case, and he stated that the captains categorically denied the allegations. I also felt he gave a pretty good description of what was going on in the immediate wake of the initial accusations--while we tend to view his actions with our current perspective, that is not really fair. I know people want him to take a Donna Shalala stand, declare the players innocent and call for Nifong's ouster, but I just don't think that is a realistic expectation.

I share your sentiments. I don't agree with his handling of the case and have told him so. Today however, I'd like to move on and figure out how we can best help Brodhead and Duke IN ADDITION to helping the LAX students.
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floria
Posted: Oct 23 2006, 07:26 PM


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wts: What help do you think Brodhead needs from us? Please let us know if you have some ideas. Thank you. I thought we needed help from him!


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wts
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QUOTE (floria @ Oct 24 2006, 12:26 AM)
wts: What help do you think Brodhead needs from us? Please let us know if you have some ideas. Thank you. I thought we needed help from him!



I think our school needs help as does Brodhead. I have not heard from a single person that knows him that says he is a "bad" person - a person that "dumps" students, etc. True, he got involved in other political cases, but not here...why not? SO....that begs the questions, right? What's going on here?

I think we need to help him to do the right things here. His appearance in the 60 Minutes out takes were not perfect...but decidedly better in my opinion. He's being far more clear in his position - Students are presumed innocent. Period. No additional comments, no looking forward to being proved innocent, etc. etc.

Let's help him keep going in the right direction.....let's demand of him a statement of University Values. The LAX team came up with their statements...the Faculty of Duke should do the same if they want to be part of this family...

Let's help him insure that the rest of the world knows the good at Duke in addition to the things that have gone wrong re: the LAX case.

Let's help him to be able to publically state, even as the editor of N&O has begun doing that mistakes were made...

I say these things because our school is under siege and I don't believe in sacrificial lambs - be they accused students, administrators or otherwise.





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Posted: Oct 24 2006, 01:15 PM


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I agree with wts. I am not as harshly critical of Broadhead as many of you seem to be--but I agree that there is more that he should say, especially now that so much evidence points to not only the fact that this is a hoax, but that there was prosecutorial misconduct. But rather than dedicate our efforts to slandering him (and much of the sentiment I read hear goes well beyond criticism) we should be trying to elicit the behavior we would like to see from him and the administration. FODU had a good start with the letter it sent him a couple months ago, but what has happened since then? What constructive purpose is served by calling him names? Certainly, if he or anyone in his administration reads this blog, they are not going to be persuaded to change their behavior. There is a lot of brainpower here--let's put that to work and try to show him what we believe needs to happen. Another letter, complimenting the good things in his "60 Minutes" out-takes as well as Prof. Baldwin's letter to the Chronicle, followed by a few simple requests might be a start.
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floria
Posted: Oct 24 2006, 04:52 PM


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Okay, this is quite refreshing!

wts, you are suggesting that we help Brodhead do the right thing. I am on board; I am willing to give it a try. Let us take this to the next level. Let us collectively come up with some concrete ideas and present our ideas to him. If he responds in a positive way and engages in a dialog with us, perhaps that could be the beginning of a good thing.

On the other hand, if he rejects us like he rejected the recommendations made to him by FODU, in their Open Letter, than at least we will know where we stand. I am ready to roll up my sleeves and pitch in for this effort. It is worthwhile to try. However, we need to approach him fast. The elections are almost upon us and some things may need to be said before that.


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Texas Mom
Posted: Oct 25 2006, 11:26 AM


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Please read Jason Trumpbour's comment on the Talk Left board on the level of "support" given to the lax families. His comments are telling about Broadhead's cowardice.
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Leo
Posted: Oct 30 2006, 04:24 PM


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I just counted the members who already signed up for the new board. 44 people signed up. And, the old board is not even closed yet. So, I do not see the problem here.
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abb
Posted: Oct 30 2006, 06:41 PM


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abb checking in here - from the wild and wooly FreeRepublic forum...
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alice
Posted: Oct 30 2006, 06:45 PM


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I am also checking up, all looks fine. I am able to post without any trouble. I wonder why the others are worried about this little move. I hope everyone makes it safely over here. It is really not a big deal.
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Selah_Diva
Posted: Oct 30 2006, 07:37 PM


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So "abb"....you are a very busy little bee. :>)

You and others do a good job of posting daily news about the Duke lacrosse case on your message board.

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floria
Posted: Oct 31 2006, 09:45 AM


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From today's Herald Sun - Letters section

Don't vote for Nifong

Let's for argument sake give District Attorney Mike Nifong the benefit of the doubt that he is not prosecuting this lacrosse case for political gain. Let's say it's true that he is not. Then what we have is a buffoon acting as our DA and that is even worse. After making comments like: "Wonder why one would need an attorney if one was not charged and had not done anything wrong?", Nifong also called the players hooligans and said he believed there had been a crime committed. Had he not made these remarks, Nifong might have had the political freedom to back down following the negative DNA tests. That's right, two negative tests. Now we have the revelation this week that Nifong, after all these months, admits he has never spoken to the accuser about the alleged rape. Anyone who votes for Nifong is just as guilty as the people in Washington, D.C., who voted for Marion Barry for mayor after he was released from jail for drugs. Vote to recall Mike Nifong.

Wayne Gooch
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October 31, 2006


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LIZ
Posted: Oct 31 2006, 10:18 AM


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I watched Brodhead's outakes, and I must agree that he sounded more like a man there than he has in any previous statements. However, I still find it troubling that even though he obviously knows the guys are innocent and really said as much in the outtakes, he still maintained that he must wait for the trial before he makes any pronouncements. Why? If there is a trial and God frobid the boys are found guilty, then Brodhead will become a crusader for them? So, he will go visit them in jail or write letters on their behalf then? Oh my. How silly. How backwards the thinking!

He still does not get the importance of his job. He still does not get the message his being silent gives. He still does not get his part in the railroaiding of these kids.
He wants to straddle the fence so frightened is he of offending anyone. He is filled with fear. The fear he should be feeling is for these kids who could go to prison for something they did not do and something he could have taken an active role in preventing.

Yes, the outakes make him look much more a sympathetic man and less a silly buffoon, but no more a leader. He is probably a nice man, but that is not what a major univesity needs. He was the wrong pick for the job, and now the trustees must show what they are made of.
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duke09parent
Posted: Oct 31 2006, 11:08 AM


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Well, gang, here I am over from the previous board. I see some voices of moderation here, which I applaud.

Liz and floria are you in Europe or UK? The times of your posts haven't even occurred on the East Coast U.S. yet.

I sent Pres. Brodhead a proposed announcement to be made after the election. Since he has said he doesn't want to be seen as throwing Duke's weight around to influence the judicial system, in concern for Durham's electorate reacting adversely, I suggested he could say something once the election is over. I've actually received a couple of replies from him to previous messages I sent. Perhaps it is because I don't start out ranting and calling him names. I think he's coming to D.C. next month, maybe I can sound him out then.

I suggested he apologize to the indicted 3 on behalf of the university for actions elements of university had taken which could be interepreted as prejudging them. The proposed statement called upon Nifong to step down from this case (assuming he wins the election) in favor of a special prosecutor. I would't expect this statement to do anything concrete--just to raise the morale of the student body and partially to redeem himself in the eyes of critical students and alums.
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