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floria - October 20, 2006 11:35 PM (GMT)
Does anyone have any news on the Duke Law School journalism forum today? Were there any interesting discussions? If anyone reads or hears something on that topic, please pass it on. Thanks.

white_fang - October 21, 2006 12:44 AM (GMT)
Here is a link to WRAL which is reportin on today's forum.

Journalists Discuss Media's Coverage of Duke lacrosse Rape Case
http://www.wral.com/news/10117508/detail.html

white_fang - October 21, 2006 01:53 AM (GMT)
Here is more from Brodhead (outtakes from 60 minutes). He does not help himself at all. He seems to be stuck on a set of facts that he belives to be true, or in fact, he wishes to be true. He is clearly much more concened about the feelings of theDuke AA students and alumni than anything else. We see in this clip where his heart really is (not with the lax players).

Brodhead on the Duke Case
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ma...tml?id=2109800n

wts - October 21, 2006 07:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (white_fang @ Oct 21 2006, 01:53 AM)
Here is more from Brodhead (outtakes from 60 minutes). He does not help himself at all. He seems to be stuck on a set of facts that he belives to be true, or in fact, he wishes to be true. He is clearly much more concened about the feelings of theDuke AA students and alumni than anything else. We see in this clip where his heart really is (not with the lax players).

Brodhead on the Duke Case
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ma...tml?id=2109800n

Could you expand on what you are saying?

dukeparentx2 - October 22, 2006 02:58 AM (GMT)
I thought the out-takes of Brodhead were very interesting. Everyone should watch them. But I didn't have the same reaction as White Fang. In fact, I thought he was very candid. His comments about the AA community at Duke were in response to a direct question from Ed Bradley--was he supposed to ignore that question? It was pretty clear that he believes there are serious issues with the DA's case, and he stated that the captains categorically denied the allegations. I also felt he gave a pretty good description of what was going on in the immediate wake of the initial accusations--while we tend to view his actions with our current perspective, that is not really fair. I know people want him to take a Donna Shalala stand, declare the players innocent and call for Nifong's ouster, but I just don't think that is a realistic expectation.

Selah_Diva - October 22, 2006 05:22 PM (GMT)
Brodhead certainly hasn't done all that he could as president of Duke University in this particular situation. His silence and his mouse-like effulgences have been anemic and embarrassing. Moreover, the editorial printed in the Herald-Sun on October 17 illustrates everything anyone needs to know about the position of many "leaders" in Durham. Still....after all the non-evidence of a crime, Brodhead and others sit by and do not make a stand of support. And to no one's surprise the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People----a hideous ode to blatant modern-day racism----has placed its support behind Nifong. Durham, North Carolina is turning itself into the leper colony of the United States.

wts - October 22, 2006 09:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dukeparentx2 @ Oct 22 2006, 02:58 AM)
I thought the out-takes of Brodhead were very interesting. Everyone should watch them. But I didn't have the same reaction as White Fang. In fact, I thought he was very candid. His comments about the AA community at Duke were in response to a direct question from Ed Bradley--was he supposed to ignore that question? It was pretty clear that he believes there are serious issues with the DA's case, and he stated that the captains categorically denied the allegations. I also felt he gave a pretty good description of what was going on in the immediate wake of the initial accusations--while we tend to view his actions with our current perspective, that is not really fair. I know people want him to take a Donna Shalala stand, declare the players innocent and call for Nifong's ouster, but I just don't think that is a realistic expectation.

I share your sentiments. I don't agree with his handling of the case and have told him so. Today however, I'd like to move on and figure out how we can best help Brodhead and Duke IN ADDITION to helping the LAX students.

floria - October 24, 2006 12:26 AM (GMT)
wts: What help do you think Brodhead needs from us? Please let us know if you have some ideas. Thank you. I thought we needed help from him!

wts - October 24, 2006 05:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (floria @ Oct 24 2006, 12:26 AM)
wts: What help do you think Brodhead needs from us? Please let us know if you have some ideas. Thank you. I thought we needed help from him!



I think our school needs help as does Brodhead. I have not heard from a single person that knows him that says he is a "bad" person - a person that "dumps" students, etc. True, he got involved in other political cases, but not here...why not? SO....that begs the questions, right? What's going on here?

I think we need to help him to do the right things here. His appearance in the 60 Minutes out takes were not perfect...but decidedly better in my opinion. He's being far more clear in his position - Students are presumed innocent. Period. No additional comments, no looking forward to being proved innocent, etc. etc.

Let's help him keep going in the right direction.....let's demand of him a statement of University Values. The LAX team came up with their statements...the Faculty of Duke should do the same if they want to be part of this family...

Let's help him insure that the rest of the world knows the good at Duke in addition to the things that have gone wrong re: the LAX case.

Let's help him to be able to publically state, even as the editor of N&O has begun doing that mistakes were made...

I say these things because our school is under siege and I don't believe in sacrificial lambs - be they accused students, administrators or otherwise.






dukeparentx2 - October 24, 2006 06:15 PM (GMT)
I agree with wts. I am not as harshly critical of Broadhead as many of you seem to be--but I agree that there is more that he should say, especially now that so much evidence points to not only the fact that this is a hoax, but that there was prosecutorial misconduct. But rather than dedicate our efforts to slandering him (and much of the sentiment I read hear goes well beyond criticism) we should be trying to elicit the behavior we would like to see from him and the administration. FODU had a good start with the letter it sent him a couple months ago, but what has happened since then? What constructive purpose is served by calling him names? Certainly, if he or anyone in his administration reads this blog, they are not going to be persuaded to change their behavior. There is a lot of brainpower here--let's put that to work and try to show him what we believe needs to happen. Another letter, complimenting the good things in his "60 Minutes" out-takes as well as Prof. Baldwin's letter to the Chronicle, followed by a few simple requests might be a start.

floria - October 24, 2006 09:52 PM (GMT)
Okay, this is quite refreshing!

wts, you are suggesting that we help Brodhead do the right thing. I am on board; I am willing to give it a try. Let us take this to the next level. Let us collectively come up with some concrete ideas and present our ideas to him. If he responds in a positive way and engages in a dialog with us, perhaps that could be the beginning of a good thing.

On the other hand, if he rejects us like he rejected the recommendations made to him by FODU, in their Open Letter, than at least we will know where we stand. I am ready to roll up my sleeves and pitch in for this effort. It is worthwhile to try. However, we need to approach him fast. The elections are almost upon us and some things may need to be said before that.

Texas Mom - October 25, 2006 04:26 PM (GMT)
Please read Jason Trumpbour's comment on the Talk Left board on the level of "support" given to the lax families. His comments are telling about Broadhead's cowardice.

Leo - October 30, 2006 09:24 PM (GMT)
I just counted the members who already signed up for the new board. 44 people signed up. And, the old board is not even closed yet. So, I do not see the problem here.

abb - October 30, 2006 11:41 PM (GMT)
abb checking in here - from the wild and wooly FreeRepublic forum...

alice - October 30, 2006 11:45 PM (GMT)
I am also checking up, all looks fine. I am able to post without any trouble. I wonder why the others are worried about this little move. I hope everyone makes it safely over here. It is really not a big deal.

Selah_Diva - October 31, 2006 12:37 AM (GMT)
So "abb"....you are a very busy little bee. :>)

You and others do a good job of posting daily news about the Duke lacrosse case on your message board.


floria - October 31, 2006 02:45 PM (GMT)
From today's Herald Sun - Letters section

Don't vote for Nifong

Let's for argument sake give District Attorney Mike Nifong the benefit of the doubt that he is not prosecuting this lacrosse case for political gain. Let's say it's true that he is not. Then what we have is a buffoon acting as our DA and that is even worse. After making comments like: "Wonder why one would need an attorney if one was not charged and had not done anything wrong?", Nifong also called the players hooligans and said he believed there had been a crime committed. Had he not made these remarks, Nifong might have had the political freedom to back down following the negative DNA tests. That's right, two negative tests. Now we have the revelation this week that Nifong, after all these months, admits he has never spoken to the accuser about the alleged rape. Anyone who votes for Nifong is just as guilty as the people in Washington, D.C., who voted for Marion Barry for mayor after he was released from jail for drugs. Vote to recall Mike Nifong.

Wayne Gooch
Durham
October 31, 2006

LIZ - October 31, 2006 03:18 PM (GMT)
I watched Brodhead's outakes, and I must agree that he sounded more like a man there than he has in any previous statements. However, I still find it troubling that even though he obviously knows the guys are innocent and really said as much in the outtakes, he still maintained that he must wait for the trial before he makes any pronouncements. Why? If there is a trial and God frobid the boys are found guilty, then Brodhead will become a crusader for them? So, he will go visit them in jail or write letters on their behalf then? Oh my. How silly. How backwards the thinking!

He still does not get the importance of his job. He still does not get the message his being silent gives. He still does not get his part in the railroaiding of these kids.
He wants to straddle the fence so frightened is he of offending anyone. He is filled with fear. The fear he should be feeling is for these kids who could go to prison for something they did not do and something he could have taken an active role in preventing.

Yes, the outakes make him look much more a sympathetic man and less a silly buffoon, but no more a leader. He is probably a nice man, but that is not what a major univesity needs. He was the wrong pick for the job, and now the trustees must show what they are made of.

duke09parent - October 31, 2006 04:08 PM (GMT)
Well, gang, here I am over from the previous board. I see some voices of moderation here, which I applaud.

Liz and floria are you in Europe or UK? The times of your posts haven't even occurred on the East Coast U.S. yet.

I sent Pres. Brodhead a proposed announcement to be made after the election. Since he has said he doesn't want to be seen as throwing Duke's weight around to influence the judicial system, in concern for Durham's electorate reacting adversely, I suggested he could say something once the election is over. I've actually received a couple of replies from him to previous messages I sent. Perhaps it is because I don't start out ranting and calling him names. I think he's coming to D.C. next month, maybe I can sound him out then.

I suggested he apologize to the indicted 3 on behalf of the university for actions elements of university had taken which could be interepreted as prejudging them. The proposed statement called upon Nifong to step down from this case (assuming he wins the election) in favor of a special prosecutor. I would't expect this statement to do anything concrete--just to raise the morale of the student body and partially to redeem himself in the eyes of critical students and alums.

duke09parent - October 31, 2006 04:10 PM (GMT)
I see my own post is 5 hours ahead of east coast time.

fodu_admin_1 - October 31, 2006 04:10 PM (GMT)
There is a good article in the Newsobserver today about the Finnerty family. Here is the link:

Challenging assumptions
http://www.newsobserver.com/339/story/504654.html

floria - October 31, 2006 04:16 PM (GMT)
Duke09Parent: Thank you for catching the timestamp problem. I will go figure out what I need to do to fix it. No, I am not in Europe. Thank God I could not afford it. I am on the East Coast.

I think, I need to go to My Controls and set up the correct time zone from there. I will let you guys know. But, I first I have to read this new article about the Finnerties -- in Newsobserver.

floria - October 31, 2006 04:31 PM (GMT)
The Newsobserver article is truly fascinating. Mr. Finnerty had to borrow money to purchase his wife's engagement ring. Basically, these people worked real hard and succeeded in life, they were not born into wealth and comfort. And, here they are fighting for everything they have including their son just because of a bunch of lies! Where is justice in this, where is it? I fail to see it. I hope those who inflicted these pains and all this suffering on these innocent people will be punished to the fullest soon - by man and by God.

Okay, on the issue of the timestamp, you need to go to My Controls. Then, under the Options, you need to click on Board Settings. This will show you the menu to choose the appropriate time zone from. Since I am in the East Coast, I had to choose GMT - 5:00 Eastern Time - Bogota, Lima, etc. No, do not look for New York or Washington in the list. Those will be way too sensible to include in the list. Anyhow, I am all set with the correct time and everything.

Next, I might venture to send a private message to someone. But, I will wait for the right occasion to do that.

fodu_admin_1 - October 31, 2006 04:38 PM (GMT)
Hello everyone, it is good seeing some of you over here.

On the issue of the timestamp, each of you needs to adjust that setting based on your own geographic location. I see that Floria beat me to it. Just follow her instructions above and adjust your time zone. After that, the time stamps will make sense. If you have any difficulty send a PM to me or post a message here and I will help out. Good luck.

LIZ - October 31, 2006 04:57 PM (GMT)
I changed the time of my posts. I live in NC!

LIZ - October 31, 2006 04:59 PM (GMT)
Oh please. I hope I did it right this time.

K.P. - October 31, 2006 07:31 PM (GMT)
I read the story on the Finnerty's. I didn't know Collin had any other siblings. I feel really bad for his sister. I hope Collin and his family are doing well.

On the Record last night ? They said that the defense has no change to get this tossed out of court, on the ground of Nifong's misconduct.

They did say what we all have been saying for months. The DOJ needs to come in, and a judge from outside of N.C. also needs to be brought in.

WJDinNJ - October 31, 2006 08:29 PM (GMT)
Nifong said it himself, he is going through this persecution to solve the racial issues in Durham. Maybe he is setting himself up to be a social worker, after he is disbarred.

RevJames - October 31, 2006 08:47 PM (GMT)
Does anyone know if Nifong even goes to church?

floria - October 31, 2006 08:55 PM (GMT)
Rev James, I asked that question myself. I said, Nifong's priest should talk to him and tell him how he will burn in hell for what he is doing. But then again, perhaps, he is not a believer. That should not be very difficult to establish. His neighbors will certainly know the answer to that question.

K.P. - October 31, 2006 09:10 PM (GMT)
If we all think back, there was an article in the N&O about the ABN went and placed flyers in cars in a church parking lot. That was the church that Nifong attends. He was not at services at the time. I will try and find the article and post the link later. I was unable to find the link.

Can someone help me out? I can't find the link to the N&O 4/2 it is the wanted poster if the lacrosse team.

Leo - October 31, 2006 09:49 PM (GMT)
if you have not seen this video on the 60 Minutes site, it is worth watching. Someone who works at the stripping club where the accuser was dancing shortly after the incident talks to Ed Bradley.

Here is the link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/11/...in2082140.shtml

usa - October 31, 2006 11:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (floria @ Oct 31 2006, 08:55 PM)
Rev James, I asked that question myself. I said, Nifong's priest should talk to him and tell him how he will burn in hell for what he is doing. But then again, perhaps, he is not a believer. That should not be very difficult to establish. His neighbors will certainly know the answer to that question.

Nifong has a pastor not a priest.

usa - November 1, 2006 12:58 AM (GMT)

anon_y_mous.qqq - November 1, 2006 01:55 AM (GMT)
Hello to Duke09parent, I hope you are happy now. You don't have to worry about the time, just the name.

usa - November 1, 2006 02:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (anon_y_mous.qqq @ Oct 31 2006, 08:55 PM)
Hello to Duke09parent, I hope you are happy now.  You don't have to worry about the time, just the name.

Duke09 has identified themselves as a Duke parent. Show some respect and stop harassing this person. The nice feature about the new site is the ability to ban posters.

WJDinNJ - November 1, 2006 02:34 AM (GMT)
This site obviously censors the posters, no profanity, just a little criticism and people have a stroke. Just because someone has a sibling at Duke, doesn't mean that we are critcsizing him. I thought this whole site was about free speech and the right to criticize Nifong and Broadhead, and their actions. Now someone has decided to censure the content of the messages. Wow I did not realize that Nifong was running this site. If we don't like what you say just shut up and go away. That is real "Free Speech". I don't know why I spent 30 year in the Marine Corps for, except to get censored. I wonder what those troops in Iraq and Afganistan are fighting for, obviously not freedom of speech. No one here has used profanity and some post are being pulled, for no other reason, except they may hurt the feelings of another poster. What a joke.

usa - November 1, 2006 02:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (WJDinNJ @ Oct 31 2006, 09:34 PM)
This site obviously censors the posters, no profanity, just a little criticism and people have a stroke. Just because someone has a sibling at Duke, doesn't mean that we are critcsizing him. I thought this whole site was about free speech and the right to criticize Nifong and Broadhead, and their actions. Now someone has decided to censure the content of the messages. Wow I did not realize that Nifong was running this site. If we don't like what you say just shut up and go away. That is real "Free Speech". I don't know why I spent 30 year in the Marine Corps for, except to get censored. I wonder what those troops in Iraq and Afganistan are fighting for, obviously not freedom of speech. No one here has used profanity and some post are being pulled, for no other reason, except they may hurt the feelings of another poster. What a joke.

I commend you for fighting for our freedom. Read the first part of my post. It said "show some respect". Some people keep insisting one member caused the creation of this new site. We have been told by the moderator that this is not the case. There is nothing wrong with a little civility on this or any other board.

duke09parent - November 1, 2006 02:56 AM (GMT)
I have read several posts from different sources that lax players were told early on they shouldn't call their parents about the investigation. Can someone who knows tell us who (by name) told the players this? I'd like to have this in my memory bank if I ever get a chance to confront someone about this. I fully expect it to be denied, but I'd like to press the point that such a thing should never happen.

I'm not really interested in sniping back and forth with other posters unless it's on a substantive point. I haven't seen evidence of censorship here so far. It is the moderator's right, though. First Amendment free speech is a prohibition against the government censoring speech. Private forums, like private employers, can limit speech as much as they want, although heavy monitoring tends to chase people away.

WJD--thank you for your service to our country.




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