Title: al fan comic thoughts
Description: something of a review on nattys comic
ilushons folower - July 9, 2010 05:42 AM (GMT)
ok lets see if i cant make linkara proud
-the first cover has allot to do with the gist of the plot, but the second, well i don't really know what to say, i mean granted its nice looking, i just feel like we have no idea what's really happening to li. she could be passing on or coming back
-i wonder where li got that cool vail, and that giant rat (when i first saw it i thought it was a wolf)
-"leave me be" id lison to her if i where u fear
-FINALY some pay back for that gross and stupid name :nuts: the comic gets off to a grate start
-wait hold up fear r u saying that u don't have human senses, so theoretically u should have the concept of pain. and yet uv bichted about ace giving u ur limp and u also seem to feel those lighting bolts the guys fire them at ya. in short that makes no sense.
-"what is the consequence of my not complying" has a point there fear i mean after you've been kild, you can pretty much say uv had everthing done to u.
-"dead and yet...That should be the end of it" death has always been arguable for u guys hear, i mean u can just be brought back to life with the amulet right?
-a binding spell hue? well that settles my debate its magic not energy coming out of stafhead
-if u remember i once posted that lady illusbhon was in ADAMANTIUM RAAAAGE!!!!!! (p.s. i would like to thank rotgut for telling me about rand being voiced by wolverine that was interesting) well so far out of this one seen i have counted 5 of those rages. 5! that means that in one of those rages fear should have been dead if she had adamantium, this is one of them
-SEE? he can feel pain (a quick q over hear was that his bad leg she stamped on?)
-"you awser to me now fear" HELL YEAY, THSI COMIC IS GETING GOOD
-i love how she enthuses' minion
-i don't know why but when i read this part, "grave of guilt' by falconer plays in my mind. wired right?
-i just released something, when ur under i binding spell u can fell whatever the other person feels right? so why isn't illusion feeling the pain she's inflicting on fear?
the mini comic
-because fear keeps on calling her 'snokums"(seriously how can anyone virtual or not hold down there lunch) ill just give my opinion on it. it both a little gross and a little hart worming at the same time. buuuut seeing as how i support ace/li i cant help but feel that natty is trying to bring them back toge-OH MY GODS THERE MAKING OUT HAS MADE IT POSABLE TO INVAID CANDY LAND,no wait i think thats the hows of illusion. where was i? oh yes, like she's trying to bring them back together hear, she can support whatever couple she likes but still. i guess i wouldn't mink seeing another one of these things again, for background reasons.
-ya know that dram sean we have with sparks kind of reminds me of when i was playing nancy drew the curse of black more manner. and the game decided to takes on an acid ride of a nightmare, why? i have know idea, but i looked into it and this dose have a perps so i let it slide
-wait i need some clearness on this. ace has been searching for amulet pieces (like fear should have been doing) but HE never thought of using them, well in his defenc maybe mark told him about the programer and he wanted to use the ful power of the amulit to get both rick and li out of the 6d. thad make sence seeing as how we never saw them use it for no more than 1 item/person.
-so thats where staffy was hiding, i just hoped natty forgot about him complitly
- :lol: admitinly staffys reaction to rats respos of lis aperins is prislis (if not acurit)
-"we don't have a new boss" um helow, did u not see illushons entrince, u do now
-why staffy chose to debrief fear when he is clearly in pain is beyond me but still
-U EVEN THINK ABOUT BLASTING HER OUT OF EXISTENCE AND I SWER ILL BRAKE U LIKE THE BAMBO TWIG U ARE STAFHEAD :angry:
-he decides to leave stafhead outside (thank u) but doesn't it leave him defenclis?
-1 more adamantium rage for the win! :nuts:
-"no mater what happens i will stand with ace, not against him"oh whew, she supports al/li too (i think)
-u know for saying u have no idea how the spell u sure are positive the amulet can help u guys out (then again it is pretty powerful so maybe it can)
-"lets find duff mabey you can eat him insted"speking of duff where is he? dose he know u guys are back?
-why are we in the grand canyon? oh wait thats a place in the 6d.
-so thats where the minions where. according to natty gogglier is in charge, but at first i thought it was anvil.
-just out of curiosity, what are they doing? i mean ore they looking for weapons? supporters? a portal back to our world?
-"climbrick, the lighting nights won" hooray? :huh: maybe if i played the games id understand but im just not sure how to react to this
-YIPPIY KILOBIT IS GONNA BE IN THIS SAGA! :nuts: so is rick, im indifferent to this cus so far hes the only mortal caricature iv seen so far
natty hasn't finished the first comic but she did wright 2 pages of the 2nd comic so i thought id should say something about them
-"lord fear u have some nerve" that he dose ace, that he dose
-ACE IS A MAN!!*PUNCHES LORD FEARS GUTS*(in all serious wouldn't his fist get stuck? oh well im imprest)
-"no teleporting snokums" when thats said we have a pic of fear and illusion. dose she say that or is she just hearing it or none of the above?
-believing lord fear is telling the truth, or implying a fear/sprx *shutter* relationship? U MAKE THE CALL!
well until natty gives us more pages to read thats all i have, i know my spelling is much to be desired but please go easy on me.
nattherat - July 9, 2010 06:11 PM (GMT)
:D First of all, thank you very much for taking the time to do this review ilushon's folower! I'm glad to see my comic is so appreciated. :)
I think I answer a lot of your questions in my posts that accompany the pages, but in all honesty the point is that you don't know the answers right now, and you learn the answers later in the story when the characters start to meet up and explain everything. However, it looks unlikely I'll be able to finish this comic or the story afterwards, so I might as well post the answers again. :)
By second cover do you mean the one with both Fear and LI? Again, the vague nature of what is going on is vital to the story. At no point does Lord Fear say exactly what he has done. This comic is the same as the series in that it's largely from the point of view of the heroes (even if the villains do feature heavily in this intro) and they don't know what Fear has done.
On Lord Fear and his senses - Lord Fear is not a physical being but more of a sentinent magical construct with the density to mimic physicality. He doesn't experience the world in the same way as the rest of the characters. His senses are based on magic. Being able to see the flame but not feel it represents the fact that his vision picks up the abstract and the non-physical. He can see the chemical reactions, and watch the energy interact with each other because thats part of his plane of existence. He does not feel the fire in the same way because human and other living creatures senses are again based on physical sensation. For standard living creatures, feeling the fire means feeling heat, or worse, feeling a burn. For him its feeling the chemicals (and magic if it is a magical fire) react with his 'exoskeleton' (outer layer of magical energy, serving a similar purpose as skin, whilst being invisible). This is why his limp and other injuries pain him, because they have interfered with his magical order. In the case of broken bones, those injuries have permanently altered his magic field, warping it. So to clear that up, he has senses, he can feel pain, but he does not experience those senses in the same way as living creatures, so he can hardly pretend to understand the same 'feeling' Lady Illusion is referencing.
On death for the CGI characters - I give you a clue with this in the fact that Rotgut bleeds in the Sixth Dimension, whereas he would fade in ours. Whether the 6D is virtual or not doesn't change the fact that for the CGI characters it is their reality, so to them, dieing has the same gravity. The other clue is the fact I sent the minions to the 6D. Every other time they have been defeated, they have remained on earth, so why all of a sudden do they return to the 6D this time? My answer is that Lord Fear, just as he distributes power to his minions when he has more Amulet pieces to do so, he also supports his minions power levels when they are defeated. The did not return to the 6D because Lord Fear would act as a constant anchor to this dimension, keeping them housed in those inanimate objects until he can give them/they gain enough energy to regain their physical forms. Lord Fear is the only character with the knowledge and power to do this. When he defeated his own minions, her purposefully let their strands return to the 6D because he needed to find out the situation in their homelands (the references to time running out, and the Lightning Knight's having won). When Lady Illusion was killed, he was in too much shock to remember to support her physical body, he only managed it in half bursts, which is what caused their current situation. The reason Lady Illusion wonders why she isn't dead is a combination of both not comprehending why Lord Fear would save her from death, thinking he despises her, and also because had she been killed in the 6D, she would be dead permanently. (Further to that, resurrected and otherwise undead creatures in the 6D are solely Lord Fear's doing and once again constructs of magic rather than true physical creatures)
On the leg stamping - Well I might be wrong, but I do believe that was his good leg she broke. It was my intention to make her break the good one, which is why he struggles more than usual with basic walking.
On the binding spell - Lord Fear has a great deal of control over the spell than he lets on, even if he pretends to be ignorant about it. Throughout the comic he demonstrates the ability to directly tap into her powers, and in the second comic he even blocks them (The bit when he says no teleporting - she is unable to hear him saying that, its just to demonstrate thats what he is blocking). The fact of the matter is he has now combined their coding (yep, another big twist there, he has worked out how to tamper with the way the game works himself, remotely), and should he choose to, he can exercise complete control over it, to the point of rewriting/deletion, or he can give her independance up to being on almost equal par. Currently he is somewhere between, blocking her from being able to sense anything through/from him unless it's beneficial for him to do so (for example, it's to his advantage to make her experience Ace's assault, but not to his advantage to allow her to know his knowledge and find out he has that final piece of the amulet already).
On the Lord Fear/Lady Illusion pairing - I'm sure it's more than a little obvious that I support it. However, I'm not going to negate two series' worth of relationship development for Ace/LI, so don't worry about that. My mini comic was just a bit of fluffy background story. Lord Fear's development throughout the two series, and yes, some of Illusion's suggests that they did once share a close and willing relationship. The fact that Lord Fear is so struck by her betrayal also suggests there was a deep trust between them, and I like to explore the past and the reasons why she forsakes it. So, just to reassure you, they will not be getting back together. My continuation of the series follows the Ace/LI pairing they've been establishing.
On the Amulet - The show establishes the fact that only Lord Fear can use the Amulet confidently and consistently. The few times other characters use it, it is either by accident or they show surprise at what they managed to do. I stick to that and have it so Ace can collect as many Amulet pieces as he wants and he still would not know how to use them to bring back LI. The Amulet is a magical artifact, not an object of science, just like Lord Fear, so only Lord Fear can utilise it's power with control.
On the Sixth Dimension - You don't need to have played the games to understand. If you had played the games the only thing that would be familiar is place name and designs. My explanation and backstory to the sixth dimension is separate from the very little the game established. There are no Lightning Knight airships in the game, and no mention of Lightning Knights other than Ace, Sparx and Random, so all of that material is what I have made up. Googler is in charge because he possesses far more cunning than the others, and his anger at Lord Fear for blasting them is the greatest. They are searching for a way back to Earth, though as I've said earlier, LF secretly wanted them there because he knew they would come back for him and he knew that through them he would be able to get an idea of what state their homelands are in without putting himself in danger. I have the Lightning Knights and the Carnival be huge warring factions. It isn't just Lord Fear and Ace battling, it's much larger than that. The war reached its climax just after Lord Fear and his minions were transported to earth. When the minions return to the 6D in my comic, they are shocked at how their homes have changed under Lightning Knight occupation.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!END MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually an easier way to answer all these questions is; 'Lord Fear is doing it for the personal gain'. If you don't know why something happens, think about what way it would be of advantage to Lord Fear and that's probably the reason :P
Hope all that clears some stuff up. :)
ilushons folower - July 9, 2010 08:26 PM (GMT)
when i said second cover, i meant the one where lady illusion was surrounded by wight light and on her giant rat the one u described was the first one i meant. i thank u for those spoilers that u cave me. (but in my opinion those are more of explanations than they are spoiler, in my definition of a spoiler is reviling later points in the story, which i saw none of) and i think i should be a little more on that "death is arguable" line, u see i would believe that if a caricature died back in 6d the death is permanent, i meant when they die hear that its arguable. take for example sparks when she died (pretty early in her apartness if i might say) she was sent back to the game, they even say so.
nattherat - July 9, 2010 09:06 PM (GMT)
I think you must be mistaken, I never drew her riding on Snappie as a cover. :)
They're spoilers because it isn't information you're supposed to know yet. Surely you can see that knowing the exact nature of the link and realising that Lord Fear is mere energy has a huge bearing on the story. This is stuff that would be revealed later.
I explained the deaths in my previous post though. Lord Fear is the one responsible for whether characters go back to the 6D or not. That's why Sparx did get sent back - after all, why would he save her? But he does prevent his minions from going back when he wants to, that's the point. In this case he doesn't want to, and they return to the Sixth Dimension just like Sparx did.
ilushons folower - July 9, 2010 09:12 PM (GMT)
i meant this onehttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/tho...class/page0.jpg
anyways i guess ur right about that. anwyas, i do hope u find time to try to work on the comic cus i dont think i can take another cliff hanger.
ilushons folower - August 25, 2010 01:44 AM (GMT)
oh my gods i just resived the most trobuling news ladys and gentalmen,natty is dumping the progect... :( i-i think im going to cry.i honistly thing im going to ball a river :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Rotgut - August 25, 2010 11:02 AM (GMT)
We shall share your pain. It really feels like when I found out the series was cancelled. :unsure:
nattherat - August 26, 2010 01:39 PM (GMT)
:( I am sorry guys, it's just not plausible for me to continue. I'm working on my own original graphic novels and projects now, and will continue to do so from here on out. Please by all means feel free to check them out. They don't have eccentric skeletons, spidery shapeshifters or a military force based on electricity but I'm hoping they're just as exciting.
Something you may be interested in, I've given the comic a page on my smackjeeves account here; http://thegamebegins.smackjeeves.com/
. It's set to update with the next page every day until the last one (page 36), so if you'd like to relive the comic again, you can follow it there. Feel free to comment/rate your favourite pages too! :lol:
It is a shame for me to have to make this decision, because I loved telling the story I had thought up - but with the last page being dated from back in May, it was time to stop kidding myself that I'd have time to do it. Like I said, I'll have a think about making a post with the entirety of the plot written down, so that there's at least some closure for the story. :)
Rotgut - August 26, 2010 08:57 PM (GMT)
My mood was lifed by watching Scott Pilgrim yesterday, so I have no problems. :)
ilushons folower - August 26, 2010 10:02 PM (GMT)
well,im gonna promot the online comic in a reviw on the school paper. it will be soraly mist. but i will look at your other comics just cus i :heart: u natty
nattherat - August 27, 2010 10:15 AM (GMT)
Haha, I'm glad you're ok Rotgut :D
Thats very kind of you ilushon's folower! Perhaps you could point the readers towards the version hosted on smackjeeves so they can enjoy it as a webcomic.
:D I'm also very glad to hear that you will give my other projects a chance! When you've made a bit of a name for yourself doing one thing (in this case the Ace comic), it's quite hard usually to get people to see that you do other things. XD I'll be sure to post the projects up in the self-promotion thread as soon as they're ready to be viewed. :)