Title: Hybrid Discussion
Description: Hybrid Discussion
llZeusll - May 5, 2005 10:40 AM (GMT)
Just want to find out what stat u guys consider as hybrid -.-
60clout 102edu - Hybrid Or Eduer?
60clout 120edu - Hybrid Or Eduer?
Personally I feel that when a char got 102 edu n above is considered as an eduer..A hybrid is u dont specialise in neither clout/edu..N 102 edu is like specialising in edu stats..(It means u have both stat but u dont specialise on any of the 2..Just like a saying "jack of all trades but master of none" o.O
So when pple tell me their stat 60/102 edu, i tend to think that they are the eduers instead of hybrid..if u were to tell me that hybrid is weak without 102 edu..actually 60/102sux too..i dont see our so called "hybrid" contribute much neither..It all depends on the units u are keeping for EG n how u use it
JADeIzar - May 5, 2005 11:57 AM (GMT)
I am 40/108/102/40
Wtf am I?
Haiwa - May 5, 2005 04:39 PM (GMT)
my definition of hybrid is a mix of clout and edu so can poc and frag.
my stat 40/120/82/52 or yif's 40/108/102/40 are considered as hybrid(super hybrid if got high reinc pts)
in fact, i can frag with pig, arb and poc with moth, meph,abo.
a pure clouter:
a pure eduer:
However, frequently we consider someone with 108+ as clouter(no matter what edu). Therefore the definition become:
clouter: 108+ clout (no matter what edu)
eduer: 60+ tac/82+ edu AND very low clout (5-26)
hybrid: eduer with 26+clout
neemo - May 5, 2005 10:01 PM (GMT)
actually now we need less clouters and more eduers.... :D
i like zhu's stats. pigs, ghasts, nixes, and he plays like an eduer. he's very useful in battle!
so zhu, i think you're an eduer. i've never seen you rein poccers yet to be called a hybrid. :lol:
llZeusll - May 6, 2005 02:17 AM (GMT)
-.- 40tact with so much clout n edu..
The tact is so low :P
why only these few replies ?~
I expecting more inputs lolx~
Neemo u never see me poccing in battle..because i use units to adapt to our regi(No AA blah blah)..At first, i kept max owls, nix,ghast,pigs n thus got no space for other units
The mk5 owls x 11 is so strong -.-
Anway I sold my owls for abom
-.- so maybe u will see me poc a bit soon
But only 1 set poccer though - -)z
neemo - May 6, 2005 10:42 AM (GMT)
that's the way it should be, plan your units according to what other people have. neemo1 is 3 sets AA, neemo2 is going to be 2 sets flame shee for hunting. anyone who wants to level neemo3 for mining (nonpayer), i don't mind. can be 100 5 82 39 nonpayer with 2 sets alb and 2 sets miner, 1 set sitter or AA.
SlayErXtreme - May 6, 2005 11:51 AM (GMT)
zues play 60 60 62 60... that is real hybrid
xlStriderlx - May 6, 2005 01:26 PM (GMT)
102edu need at least 60ma or more?
and 120edu edu 50ma juz enough or need more?
or juz depend on wat unit it use??
llZeusll - May 7, 2005 04:15 AM (GMT)
-.- ok Sex
I shall play 60 60 62 120
SINCE U REQUEST FOR IT
Haiwa - May 8, 2005 01:04 PM (GMT)
stridder, look at sgdesign or tofu webby...and see what ma better for your units ;p
TakuEDF - May 8, 2005 07:36 PM (GMT)
at least have 60 Clout with at least 62 Edu.. a stat tat can make ur unit poc and kill at same time.. tats is mostly Hybrid stats..
considering more edu giving u more damage and better armor..
lately pple will roughly get the stats of
this consider a strong Hybrid.. even can win a pure eduer compared with MK.
yawnz.. sleepy.. zzz
Justice-TLSC - May 8, 2005 09:48 PM (GMT)
Problem with 80/60/102/x is you need 300+ points for it...
TakuEDF - May 11, 2005 02:47 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Justice-TLSC @ May 8 2005, 09:48 PM)|
| Problem with 80/60/102/x is you need 300+ points for it...|
arhh.. u are rite.. tats why i say.. nowadays pple using these stats.. cos mostly is 300++ points~
iMiSsY - May 12, 2005 03:46 AM (GMT)
51 ma enuff 4 tt stat? if so u require 293 stat pts..@ least it isnt 300+ pts..
xlStriderlx - May 14, 2005 03:43 PM (GMT)
eh i tot 102 edu need at least 60ma oO? or maybe im wrong? correct me if im wrong.
btw my nxt reinc stat is ... 120/5/102/55+
iMiSsY - May 15, 2005 02:23 PM (GMT)
60 ma is usualli a plus 2 mi...been usin 50+ ma last few reincs...doable mi guess..
xlStriderlx - May 16, 2005 01:43 PM (GMT)
so is it effective with my nxt reinc stat? or need more ma/edu?
iMiSsY - May 17, 2005 03:18 AM (GMT)
mi nt sure...4 u mi noe imps, owls shld b fine..actualli mi thinkin of 120 6 120 ma miself nxt reinc...but mi ma wld b ard 46..if when max units doesnt seem efficient gona reset 2 ur stats
iMiSsY - May 17, 2005 03:21 AM (GMT)
aniwae mi guess need more input frm eduers lolz..alot of clouter discussions ard..
tho qt a few eduers mi noe play safe wif high ma..
Solera - May 18, 2005 12:02 AM (GMT)
Hmmm.... Well I'm currently running
It gives me the high tech stuff and with the higher Ma I can actually fit most of it into my units. I think the one problem I do have sometimes is that because I cant get high enough MK units that I can run into space issues. If I drop Eedu I would go with 104 not 102 edu and increase MA. This will give units using cloak strats to use the heavy weapons and stay cloaked while on solar/gamma drives. the 104 edu allows for the tech 112 sensors. Worked out fairly well.
iMiSsY - May 18, 2005 03:46 AM (GMT)
ya mi run into those probs alot of times...so mi rather go 26 clout if mi can afford it..like dis reinc 80 26 120 61..as long as ma doesnt go 2 low it's alrite 4 mi..most prob tryin 120 6 120 46 nxt reinc...nt sure if 46 ma will work tho
Solera - May 18, 2005 03:49 AM (GMT)
iMiSsY - May 18, 2005 03:55 AM (GMT)
ya it seems 2 b...was juz playin ard wif e tofu virtual lab..tried imps n moths..nt 2 gd tho...esp if e moths r supposed 2 b phasic...is e tofu lab updated ar? n does ani1 noe where mi can get e latest updated sg designer?
JADeIzar - May 18, 2005 04:59 AM (GMT)
Tried phasic mephits? I always though mephits would be better than moths when it comes to phasic?
Solera - May 18, 2005 06:34 AM (GMT)
Mephits can be both phasic and cloakable.
The unit I had a lot of fun with with 84 MA were Apps. I could set them up with 75 range and 650 damage. Wouldn't stop heavy poccers but I could wreak havok at a portal from half way across it. Just took out the camo on them and left them cloaked. Was able to use heavy weapon and heavy Gamma with a sensor. Could get around 40 kills a battle before eg. I would rarely ever want to keep them in at eg though. I've had a few rare cases though mostly when I was portal raping and they just couldn't find me and I could spot for our nukers. Once I can get my core max units fully up I'll look into working in a set of apps, but the upkeep will cost a bit.
iMiSsY - May 18, 2005 06:55 AM (GMT)
lolz apps...c if mi haf e time may play em...
hmm yifx..will 6 clout moths b 2 slow? if they arent phasic mi guess e stats arent 2 bad...may go n try moths again...havent tried mephits yet tho...wad other units can mi try wif 120 6 120 46? if it doesnt work out/units nt efficient tink haf 2 go 120 6 102 ma
lHnRlHikarU - May 18, 2005 02:51 PM (GMT)
missy for play 120 5 120 47 .. as 47 is better .. cos most of the units cna use 47 ma ..
LeiTeo - May 18, 2005 04:22 PM (GMT)
Hey Guys am also think bout my next rein stats...
i would have at least 286 pts of points or +1 ot make 287.
Am thinking of
i keep 2 x max imps , max nix
i keep max moths , max abom , max owls(practically those that already have good weight units)
What do u guys thing?
JADeIzar - May 18, 2005 04:54 PM (GMT)
Haiwa - May 18, 2005 06:09 PM (GMT)
leiteo, for the first stat...2ximps is a lot ^^;.
i suggest to keep only 1 set of imp and get another set of sitter(moth, meph>ap weapon, etc) or clearer (arb, pig). I suggest arb or pig since imp can also be sitter and clearer can stop fp or save poc espcially with 120tac hehe. That's my 2cents.
for the second stat i remember that owl require quite a lot ma(around 54-60) for hweapon, armor and sensor...they will be better with the first stat. Anyway, try sgdesign for owl and nix for sure.
JADeIzar - May 18, 2005 06:39 PM (GMT)
Could also play phasic aboms.
Either way if you got jorias take advantage of them like you planned. Let other people pig/arb etc ^^.
neemo - May 18, 2005 08:55 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (iMiSsY @ May 17 2005, 03:21 AM)|
| aniwae mi guess need more input frm eduers lolz..alot of clouter discussions ard..|
tho qt a few eduers mi noe play safe wif high ma..
imho 120 tact only will be good if you got more than 5 sets of units. because the non-fatties won't have enough MA to fit h-arm and h-weapons on your units. low MA makes your fast mobile units and sitter units very paper (ghasts, shees, light AA, imps), and the jorias hardly benefits the bulk of the eduer units.
the only jorias-intensive units i can think off are the two slow inf units; imps and wights. phasic non-clouter moths are a bloody waste of time. same with aboms, i'd rather have cloak. other eduer units that use jorias intensively are the albs and balls, that's about it. mephits are pain, but their DPS is horrible; can't really block pocs either.
so i'd personally only go with 120 tact if i have:
- bunches of paper units to throw at people, light heavy-hitting units like ghasts or shees
- bunches of gold casing/loader shees or gold phasic wights
- training balls and albs regularly
other than that, better go 100 tact and put 20 points into the other 3 stats, much bigger difference in performance imho.
if you ask me, i'd always choose moths or levis over imps as a sitter. imps suck vs aboms and moths, and get creamed by wulu ranged units when sitting pocs. i'll only ever use imps again if i have enough points and slots to play 120 tact. let the arbs and clouter pigs do the splash. even non-reinc players like neemo2 have 10x 12k 120 600 dmg laser moths. 600 dmg x 10 is fkin pain.
need around 50 ma to get tyraloid owls with h-weapon, only thing is no booster but mk4 and above it's not really an issue. as for nix, each person uses them differently, so either light-tyraloid gamma nixes or tyraloid cell nixes.
zhu's 309 point stats can give him 10k 56 h-BB mk7 cloaked ghasts, good stuff.
JADeIzar - May 18, 2005 09:04 PM (GMT)
There is nothing wrong with phasic aboms.
58 ma is enuff for imps and mephits prabably aboms.
I do agree however having less than 5 sets sux.
And the goal of joria eduers is not to be a main sitter its to add fast firepower to already defended pocs or suddenly appear to help clear pocs. Because jorias get around the map fast.
Haiwa - May 18, 2005 09:21 PM (GMT)
we confuse leiteo even more ^.^;
neemo - May 18, 2005 09:27 PM (GMT)
ya i know about aboms, but won't you walk there as fast as your jorias?
58ma mk6 imps will reach 10k 80 iirc, but if they're phasic they will get the crap battery. not really an issue though. :P
yif, what i meant about the jor being limited is the fact that fast eduer clearers (shees, ghasts, daevas) don't need the jor. moths which use the jor are paper because h-phasic's armour sux. imho, the jor is only maximized when you've got loads of imps/wights/balls, as an eduer.
i personally am waiting for someone to start using 9+ gold wights + volte, i think it's a potentially good EG combination. gold tl120 daevas too.
if i have enough points and slots for 120 tact and 102+ edu, i'd be using ghasts/daevas/flame shees, wights/moths. first three are expendable, fast paper killers to throw at people, last two are the heavy sitters. i don't see where the jor fits in (the main focus of 120 tact), since i would use 11 wights + volte/orbus.
Haiwa - May 18, 2005 09:32 PM (GMT)
well 11xmeph + one jorias for mobility isn't that bad..
-phasic bio -> still can equip better armor unlike moth
-normally meph are slow but with a jorias can have greater mobility than moth (although the last if more efficient to sit)...can be fun hehe
-with 11xmeph i think enough to cover poc lah lol
JADeIzar - May 18, 2005 10:07 PM (GMT)
but won't you walk there as fast as your jorias?
Thats not the point the aboms are sitting and defending a poc or helping out one. While the joria is on the move to another position. So you can start phasing after the aboms finish up with the other job. In your whole post you still seem to fail to recognize that if your engaged with one area you cannot move on to the next hot point the same time you are engaged. Which is the whole point in the joria. Even with fast units if there engaged they cannot move on elsewhere. If everyone was playing with phasic jorias would I recommend the same no. But becuase we will have plenty of people without jorias they can play the units that you recommend neemo ^^ which are good recommendations.
Something else I noticed was someone today using a triage with his imps they seem rather fast too. NOT cloaked which is a disadvantage too joria. But he would phase his imps around with that and even phase em back to a safe point for a heal. That gets me thinking. :huh:
xlStriderlx - May 18, 2005 10:35 PM (GMT)
i playing 120 5 102 55 nxt reinc.
or 120 5 120 37
Haiwa - May 19, 2005 12:07 AM (GMT)
moth +roc( 19-20k/~140arm, norm weap)
abo (~17k/150arm, no weap)
meph(h-weap,~15k and 145+arm) + roc,
lvl: knell+eye (or mlortha), mantis
+ 8 support units ^^;( 2xorb, 2xspirit, 2xdor, 2x sapper)
100/120/42/37 (unit are weaker but hey! one more unit :P and use more efficiently my total # of unit (68))
moth, abo +roc, mlortha, arb+dythe
lvl: knell + eye, and mantis
+ 2 support unit (s/c spirit, shield orbus)
or stay hybrid
moth, abo,meph, arb, pig, mlortha
lvl: knell and mantis
need feedback ;p
any units suggestions?
any fun unit with this stat?
iMiSsY - May 19, 2005 04:05 AM (GMT)
:blink: clouter stats dun ask mi lolz...been playin eduer almost mi whole sg life..
hmm 120 6 120 46...cant play imps wif tt..mi tried e virutal lab n onli got 7.7k 63 arm phasic..e onli prob is e weight <_< n ya..moths sux as phasic..no use keep max moths if there're phasic...frankly even wif 46 ma cant play qt alot of units..strider mi duno how u gona work wif 37 ma..
eh juz a qn..47 ma is 4 wad units ar?